This question is for all of my Hindu friends. Do you have any proof or evidence that everybody will be reincarnated or be born again and how can you remember your past life like they show it on Indian movies?
i dont think anyone has any proof of their religious beliefs..
btw, it is not necessary to believe in any mumbo-jumbo to be hindu. afterall charvaka who said 'jawajjiwat sukhe jiwat, rinam kritwa ghritam pibet, bhasmibhootasya dehasya, punaragamanam kut' (live happily till you are alive. borrow money and drink ghee. once you are dead and your body is burnt, you are not going to come back) is considered 'Hindu philosopher', albeit non-vedic philosopher.
Hey Rani, here is your civilization you boost about. You think you can refute me :)
Hindu Faith
Universe Trillion Years Old
It is claimed that the ancient Indo-Aryans arrived at an age of the universe remarkably close to what we know today, i.e. 4 billion years. In fact, some rishi just invented a very large number which is as far from the truth as the figure given in the Bible, i.e. 4000 years. As per this fantastic absurdity, the time that has elapsed of the life of Brahman before our gauge year, i.e. the age of the universe, is 26,425,456,204,132 years al-B ii4 ]. This figure of 26 trillion years is approximately 5000 times larger than the standard result of 4 billion years.
A whole set of nonsense is propagated in the Vedas and Puranas:
The wind drives the stars around the pole according to the Vayu Purana [al B I 241]
The Pancavimsa Brahmana wanted to measure the distance between heaven to
Earth by imagining 1000 cows placed on top of each other S & T xvi.8.1 and xxi.19 ].
Sun journeys from east to west in a chariot drawn by 7 horses Panda 69 ].
Moon came out after the ocean was churned by the devas and demons Panda 69 ]. 27 stars = 27 wives of the moon Panda 69 ].
2 demons Rahu and Ketu swallow the Sun and moon periodically, leading to eclipses.
Biology
Ayurvedic Medicine
Ayurvedic medicine contains as ingredients human urine as well as that of cows and cow-dung. The latter two are supposedly sacred on account of the Aryan sacredness of the cow.
Ayurvedic Medicine is, in the eyes of the common Aryan, a sacred practice and often attracts more credit than practitioners of allopathy. In actual fact, ayurvedic medicine is a host of superstitions:
Dung + Urine of Animals
Cow's Urine
Cow's urine "gomutra" is prescribed as an ingredient of various plasters and mixtures (sometimes with fermented wine) or alone, as an antidote for obesity, as a purgative; for eliminating vermin from an ulcer; vayu disorders, abdominal dropsy and many other uses. Su. 15.35; 44.35 ] Ci 1.87; 14.13 ] Ray 131 ] Bitumen and cow's urine is taken internally to cure malignant jaundice. Utt. 44.29 ] Ray 234 ]. Antimony sulfide and cow's urine taken internally is also used to cure malignant jaundice. Utt. 44.29 ] Ray 234 ]. For the case of sebaceous cysts (large swellings that exude a fatty liquid on bursting), incision followed by washing with cow's urine is prescribed. Another treatment is the surgical incision and the removal of fat followed by cauterization of the wound Ci.18.10-11 ] Ray 295 ].
Goat Dung and Urine
Goat droppings "ajashakrt" are prescribed as an accessory to surgical cauterization and are used for cauterizing diseased skin. In powdered form after drying and compounding with honey and cow's urine it is used as a linctus for jaundice. Su 12.3 ] Utt.44.19 ] [Ray 130 ] Goat urine "ajamutra" is an ingredient for a paste that restores the natural color to a cicatrix. Ci.I.86 ] Ray 130 ]
Elephant Urine
Elephant urine "gajamutra" is used as an alkaline decoction preparation for a supposed cure to malignant sores. Ci.9.16 ] Ray 131 ]
Cock (Rooster) Dung and other Birds' Droppings
The dung of a specially fed cock "kukkutapurisha" is prescribed as an ingredient for a plaster used to cure malignant skin diseases [Ci.9.15] [Ray 132] Vulture droppings "grdhrapurisha" is an ingredient of a plaster from bursting of non-boils [Su.37.9] [Ray 132]. A similar use exists for pigeon droppings "karikapurisha" and heron droppings "kapotapurisha" Su.37.9 ] Ray 132 ].
The hooves of animals are powdered and after burning restore the darkness to a cicatrix; a paste of the powder obtained by burning is a cure for baldness [Ray 132]
Animal horns are used as surgical instruments and the paste is aid to be a cure for baldness. [Ray 133]. Meat eating was practiced by the Aryans, since medical texts say that meat of various kinds is good [Ray 110 ff.].
The urine of different animals is recommended for use as purifying and appetizing agents; for cardiac stimulants and many others. Each type of urine has special advantages Su.45.201-212 ] Ray 36 ].
Women in Hinduism
Women in Indo-Aryan Societies **
Aryan-Vaishnavism (Hinduism) is the most oppressive system on record in its suppression of women. From conception to death, woman had to suffer in uncountable ways.
Child Marriage - Girls are to be married when 5 years old!
Dowry - Vedas prescribe this practice
Bride-Burning - if the dowry is insufficient
No Property
Mass Wife-Burning (Jauhar) - Often 100s are burnt at a time.
Widow-Burning (Sati) - Sanctioned by the Vedas, Puranas, practiced by Krishna's wives, it still continues.
*FEMALE INFANTICIDE *
Female infanticide arose from the general Vedic attitude towards women. The large dowries prescribed by the Vedas (see the section of dowries below) meant that a girl was seen as a burden. The woman who gave birth to a daughter was ashamed, and many stigmas attached to a lady who only gave birth to daughters. Hence infanticide arose as a convenient way of getting rid of the burden.
Holy Aryan texts sanction this custom:
"Tasmat striyam jatam parasyanti ut pumamsam haranti"
" Hence they reject a female child when born, and take up a male."
-- Taitt. Samh. VI.5.10.3 ] Muir I 26 ]
A recent UN report said that up to 50 million girls and women were missing from India's population, the result of systematic discrimination extending to the abortion of female fetuses. [Verma 12.8.97] In 1921 there were more than 97 women for every 100 men in India. Seventy years later, the number dropped to 92.7 [Vermeer 12.8.97]
*CHILD-MARRIAGE *
Child marriage of daughters 5-6 y old was common due to the custom of dowry and to avoid scandals [Nand 17] [Basham 167-8] [Yadav 70] [Altekar 16] [Banerjee 70].
Law books prescribe that the best partner for a man in one-third his age. Thus a man 18-year-old should marry a girl 6 years old! -
" A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner." [Mann IX.94]
This was meant to prevent any scandals. Narada states that some of the defects to be avoided in brides are if they already had a relationship with another man or have their minds set on another, they should not be selected [Sheth 67].
Wives
** BURNING OF WOMEN **
**Bride-Burning **
This is often related to dowry, when the bride's family cannot pay up to the amount demanded by the in-laws. Often the in-laws make demands in excess of those made at the time of marriage. When the deadline specified runs out, the bride is burned in often-gruesome fashions. At least 5000 women die each year for not bringing in enough dowry. At least a dozen women die each day in kitchen fires', which are often passed off as accidents, because their in-laws are not satisfied with their dowries. Only a few of the murderers are brought to justice. Kitchen 1997 ] ordeal’. Adultery carries the death sentence in Aryan law, so either way she would have to pay with her life for her husband or elders' mere suspicions.
**Wife-Burning **
An Aryan husband could at any time accuse his wife of infidelity. In case the wife protests her innocence, the council of village elders would then order an ordeal by fire.
The accused wife would be required to pass through a blazing flame. Not just death, but any signs of burns would be taken, as a sign of guilt and the wife would then have to undergo the penalty for infidelity [EB 8:986
The ideal role model for this custom was Sita, Ram's wife. Her spouse, the ideal husband’ of theHindus’ required her, to pass through the fire ordeal after her return from Sri Lanka.
*Jauhar - Variant of Sati *
Jauhar refers to the practice of the mass burning of all the wives and daughters in an entire town/district to prevent them from falling into the hands of the enemies. Often the husbands forced their unwilling spouses, sometimes the women practiced it themselves, encouraged by the elders. It is merely a variant of Sati, since it occurred in anticipation of the Womens' widowhood.
*Witch-Burning *
The burning of witches during the Vedic Dark Ages of Indian History (1500 BC – 500 BC) and the later Puranic Dark Ages (100 AD-1000 AD) makes the European Medieval ecclesiastical witch-hunts pale in comparison.
** PUNISHMENT OF WOMEN
The wife could suffer corporal punishment for very minor offences.
Amputation of Ears and Noses **
Aryan husbands cut off the ears and nose of their wives if they left the house without their prior permission. The Pancatantra mentions one such story [Pancatantra p.54, I.7th story The Weaver's Wife']. The weaver cut off his wife's nose because she did not respond and he considered her unfaithful. (Actually he cut off the barber's wife's nose that was there instead.) The Ramayana and Lord Rama practiced the cutting off of women’s' noses for minor offences, thereby providing divine sanction for the custom.Rakshis' or demonizes by the Aryans) who fell in love with Rama. She proposed to him, but he directed her to his brother Laxman. He cut off her ears and nose for this crime, and Ram condoned this act. Alld Chmbrs 1036 ]
Shurpanakha was a Dravidian lady (referred to as
*Death Penalty *
The death penalty was prescribed for Aryan women guilty of infidelity. The Manu Smrti, the most authoritative Indo-Aryan law-book, states
When a woman, proud of her relations [or abilities] deceives her husband (with another man), then the king should [ensure that] she be torn apart by dogs in place much frequented by people ' [Manu Smrti 8:371] And the evil man should be burnt in a bed of red-hot iron ' VIII.371. If a wife, proud of the greatness of her relatives or (her own) excellence, violates the duty, which she owes to her lord, the king shall cause her to be devoured by dogs in a place frequented by many. VIII.372. Let him cause the male offender to be burnt on a red-hot iron bed; they shall put logs under it, (until) the sinner is burned (to death).'
[Manu Smrti 8:371-2]
[Manu Smrti Buhler VIII 371-372]
That this custom was prevalent in the 9the century is confirmed by Arab reports. Merchant Sulaiman, an Arab traveler of the 9th century states that:
"If any man in the Indies runs away with a wife and abuses her body they kill both him and the woman, unless it be proved that she was forced, then the man only is punished with death; but if the woman consented to the evil deed, they are punished with death, both one and the other."' -- [Arab p.56]
Ram, the ideal husband, showed little regard to female life. Ram killed Tataka, a "Rakshi" Alld Chmbrs 1048 ].
Infidelity to husband was considered a grave sin and it was believed that such women went to Aksaya hell [Br.P. 87.61 in Sheth 98]. The husband had the power to curse the wife who was disloyal to him. Thus the sage Gautama cursed his wife Ahalya for sleeping with Indra though through no fault of her own. [Sheth 99]
[In the Kautilyan period] if a woman was found guilty of a carnal crime her generative organs were cut off and she was ultimately sentenced to death [Arth.IV.13 in Jain p.164
], Although it is not clear whether this was only for intercourse with slaves.
Not only that, but adultery is defined as the simple touching of clothes and even conversing with men:
VIII. 356. " He who addresses the wife of another man at a Tirtha, outside the village, in a forest, or at the confluence of rivers, suffer (the punishment for) adulterous acts (samgrahana).
357. Offering presents (to a woman), romping (with her), touching her
ornaments and dress, sitting with her on a bed, all (these acts) are considered adulterous acts (samgrahana).
358. If one touches a woman in a place (which ought) not (to be touched) or allows (oneself to be touched in such a spot), all (such acts done) with mutual consent are declared (to be) adulterous (samgrahana)." -- [Manu VIII.356-358]
*RESTRICTIONS ON WOMEN *
***No Property*
Women and Sudras can, in the Aryan-Vaishnava system, have no property:
A wife, a son, and a slave, these three are declared to have no property; the wealth which they earn is (acquired) for him to whom they belong.
A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions. -- [Mann VIII.416-417]
*Dress and Veiling *
Aryan women had to wear a face-veil when going out. As usual, several observers, seeing Arab women veiled, assumed it must be due to Muslim contamination'. They are not aware that Arabs practice this due to the Judeo-Christian influence (cf. the Catholic nuns and the Medieval tiara), and are ignorant of Indian scriptures. Sanskrit literature mentions the The practice of using veils by women, particularly in well-to-do families, was in vogue. Prabhakaravardhana's daughter Rajyasri put on a veil when she met her husband, the Maukhari Grahavarman of Kanauj, for the first time.
It is known from Vacaspati Misra (9C AD) that women in good families observed the purdah system and did not appear in public without veils...
However, Dhoyi, the author of the 12 C poetical work the Pavanaduta, relates that the women of Vijayapura (in Bengal) did not observe the purdah system'
-- [CHI Vol II #37 p.595 # 37 Some aspects of the position of women in Ancient India' DC Ganguly p.594 ff] Harsha's [1099-1101] [Lohara dynasty] coins [depict] a half cross-legged goddess [and] a veil appears on the head '
-- [Gupta Coins p.39]
Gangayadeva's [one of the Kalachuri rulers of Dahala, the country around Jabalpur in MP] (1019-1042AD) coins ... the female is shown as having a veil on her head which hangs down to the shoulders and upper arms' Many of the female figures on the gold coins, like the sculpture and literature of the [Guppy] age, do reflect a somewhat new idea of feminine beauty which we now call classical [thinner and more slender] -- [GuptaCoins 21]
-- [Gupta Coins p.39]
It is now generally accepted that the purdah (seclusion and veiling) was existent in India since ancient Aryan times. Altekar 167-70 ] Indra 73 ] Shamram 24 ] Ojha-Cutlture 66-67] In fact, certain high-class women refused to entertain strangers [Altekar 175] [Nand 5-6] It seems that the bodice was imported by Muslims:
` In several parts of India ... bodices [are worn by ladies under the cloth] ... this, I am told, is a modern innovation, and borrowed from the Muslims.'
-- [DuBois p.341]
MORE TO COME :)
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If in ancient times urine of various animals is suggested as cure to some disease, I don't understand what is so lamentable in it.
I donno if they work. If they do not work, like other medicines which don't work, people will stop using it. If they do, they will continue.
What is there to defend or not defend. One should go for scientific experimentation to check if they work.
In my case traditional Ayurvedic medicine has worked at times, though I have not got in any urine therapy. But have no serious problems on it, if they are going to cure.
As far as amputation or some such barbaric practices in some parts of ancient india, u better lecture Taliban and Saudis who use it even in modern times. There have been 267 cases of karo-kari in Pak this year. No action on criminals.
You fail to mention in case of 'Jauhar' in Rajasthan, it was often women burning themselves when invaders came in. It reflects on the reputation of invaders.
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Frankly, does any Hindu today even care whether there is reincarnation or not. Maybe there is maybe not. Some Hindu philosophers believe and some donot. Everyone is free to believe what they wish to -- its perfectly fine. A lot of Pakistanis seem to be under the false impression that Hindus in general have extreme religious beliefs. Most even think that Hindus are hardcore veggies. I still remember someone had suggested that beef is banned in India !! But these views are hardly surprising.....I knew a Pakistani who had not met a single non-Muslim till he came to the US !!!!! I found this astonishing but then what can one expect in a country where non-Muslims are less than 3%. Its tough to see the other person's viewpoint.
Irrefregable whatever you quote may be true to you but as has been mentioned by someone else also, first you have to know some non-muslims and see for yourself what they really believe in. Go to the thread started by me about Hindu Dharma and see in the initial post what actually does hinduism means. Whatever you say about vedas being unscientific may hold true but do they say that only this is the truth and nothing else. Do you know why it is called hindu mythology, because it is based on myths and stories to prove a point and not everything it says is literally true but to explain the logic behind the things because the time since when the Hinduism is evolving is long-long back and not many people were literates and hence a mean has to be devised to tell the people about the real truth of life and hence some stories are made out. And b.t.w. do we say that vedas are written by gods and therefore are eternal truth. Do we? We know that only Quran is the truth as it has come from the mouth of god (scientifically proven by many).
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
This question is for all of my Hindu friends. Do you have any proof or evidence that everybody will be reincarnated or be born again and how can you remember your past life like they show it on Indian movies?
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Indian movies sell dreams. Anything can happen in dreams. Reincarnation is an hindu belief, and I stress the word belief.
Do you have any proofs that your mullahs and other perfect followers are going to heaven - please quote one or two. When you try to scientifically question a belief, no religion can be proved 100%. They are all faiths preaching us how to be a good human being. It is individuals who mould it later on according to their own conveniences and make people believe in that.
I will tell you a two-liner try to explain that:
Kankar--pathhar jor ke, Masjid Liyo banaye
Ta Char Mullah baang de, Kya behra hua Khudaye.
Hi dhir :)
Thanks for your feedback. First and foremost let me clarify that I have traveled extensively most of the world including India, now living in a non-Muslim country. Second, I have extensive knowledge about religions. Frankly Hinduism and Buddhism does not qualify as religions that is purely my opinion. However, excessive use via figure speech has caused it to be called religions.
But regardless of what it is and how it began has nothing to do with what people/followers of something believes and practices? You simply cannot walk away with your excuses. I am a Sunni Muslim and like other Muslims I believe in certain things according to my faith. So once questioned/criticized/debated about Islaam I must offer forensic and empirical results/arguments with reason and logic. Which is the rational way of discussing/debating theology. In a debate like this, one cannot use secular references. If you talk about Islaam you must prove/offer from Quran and Sunnah (Islaamic sources) your point for or against it showing the cause and effect and cost and effect. To further your point you can bring comparative analysis of other religion(s). This is the acceptable and appropriate manner to discuss/debate religions/theology. BB and I are here mostly to eradicate ignorance among some Muslims and to educate them. The key reason is that we are Muslims, followers of a perfect religion and a perfect book. You may wonder about some of the responses, that is because we have screened some folks as an *excess baggage of human life * based on our experience. We know that they are kings/queens of ignorance. No one can argue with ignorance.
Take care
Peace :)
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution :)*****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*
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u continue ur mission of educating muslims in ur colorful language which does not reflect much education on ur part.
however, as far as qualifying hinduism or buddhism as religion in western sense of word is not nececessary. they are not religions in western sense. just like india is not a nation-state as germany is. fine.
now if u are asking about what hindus practice, different hindus practice different stuff. and if u have travelled india in modern times, most of thbem dont give two hoots on religion.
as far as caste system and such practices are concerned u mus have noted that in parts like punjab and bengal, one can see 'arranged' inter-caste marriages. more and more people are unconcerned about the caste of prospecive spouse.
ok.. bye..
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Originally posted by dhir:
Do you have any proofs that your mullahs and other perfect followers are going to heaven .
Dear dhir:
No one never said that our mullahs are going to heaven. You don't have to be a mullah to go to heaven.
PS I don't like mullahs anyways.
Please go to heaven as soon as possible if u r so keen on it. Guys like me are happy sticking to beer bars and discotheques. Bye.
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Originally posted by Irrefragable:
*Second, I have extensive knowledge about religions. *
I differ in opinion. I do not think you have extensive knowledge about religions.
You simply cannot walk away with your excuses.
Where did I use any excuses and for what. I do not feel the need to be sorry or be ashamed on the way hinduism is. I simply believe in a religion and if there is something which I feel is not morally correct I simply do not adopt and that does not make me any lesser Hindu.
I am a Sunni Muslim and like other Muslims I believe in certain things according to my faith. So once questioned/criticized/debated about Islaam I must offer forensic and empirical results/arguments with reason and logic. Which is the rational way of discussing/debating theology. In a debate like this, one cannot use secular references.
So how do you know Allah wants all human beings to be muslims, give a forensic and empirical reason with reason and logic.
** If you talk about Islaam you must prove/offer from Quran and Sunnah (Islaamic sources) your point for or against it showing the cause and effect and cost and effect. To further your point you can bring comparative analysis of other religion(s). **
That is done in your religion only, at least in India there is no other religion which feels the need of comparing itself with others to prove that it is THE RELIGION. So, even if Islam is perfect, I will not go into the details, how does it matter to other faiths. Don't push others to follow what you are following, if they feel the need they will join you automatically.
You may wonder about some of the responses, that is because we have screened some folks as an excess baggage of human life based on our experience. We know that they are kings/queens of ignorance. No one can argue with ignorance.
I am sorry to hear that you have identified some people as excess baggage of human life, no human being is an excess baggage, it is just that they know it differently but that should not make them wrong.
Take care
Peace :)on you too.
Hello Dhir Dear,
You are a good example to all the people on the forum. From your posts I can see that it is possible to disagree and debate on points of religion without becoming rude and insulting, even when provoked. I wish everyone were more like you.
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Dear Zaraatif;
You are absolutley right, these type of people always turn out like this, especially our Hindu friends.
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Originally posted by Irrefragable:
** Trouble is that your opinion does not establish a point. Beside that how do you know that I don’t have extensive knowledge? In a debate one is required to put forth his/her sources, otherwise it is an indicator that author in not an intelligent and learned person. **
The reason I say you do not have exhaustive knowledge of other religions is because I see that as per your statements all other religions are full of flaws and do not lead anywhere and hence should be put down. The approach in fact should be that Islam is a religion full of good and human values and with no flaws and that you will answer any question with logical reasoning directed against Islam. That will be more fruitful in the long run rather than telling others that their religion is a sham and so adapt Islam.
So, what you did? It wasn’t credible either. I hardly concern what religion other believes in. I’m more eager to see how they establish the authenticity and credibility of their belief. Since this is a religious forum, so I like to debate about religion rather non-sense or simply moronic opinions.
You say you are hardly concerned what others believe in but you are concerned in telling them that what you are believing is in fact a super religion and so all should follow the lead. I agree with you on this point that you are unconcerned. You are right we are not discussing religion here but debating on the merits of aggressiveness against moderation.
*So how do you know Allah wants all human beings to be muslims, give a forensic and empirical reason with reason and logic.
---My response is that you have NOT read my posts, otherwise you would have not asked this question. Second this question of your is also a confirmation that you are as ignorant about Islaam, as one can get. In India living with Muslims does not constitutes that you are a scholar on Islaam. *
I see from your reply that you answer in a very logical, scientific, credible and convincing manner which leave other people wondering what the answer actually was. Thanks for your explanations, I have got my answer.
*This statement is just a brain fart. Did your mother tell you that it is impolite to have a brain fart in public or not. First and foremost this is a Pakistani web site, which constitutes automatically an Islamic web site. Second this is a religious forum. So stupid are not welcome here. Third no one is forcing any asshole to follow anything. What we are talking about is COMPARATIVE METHOD; IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT TAKE A HIKE OR JUST DON’T READ MY POSTS. *
What you are calling a brain fart is in fact my statement that Islam is a perfect religion and others may follow it as soon as they know of it. If you think it is a brain fart, then the maximum foul smell in this forum is because of you. Stop eating heavy brain-food and give yourself some rest. Eat Khichri.
** What a dumb excuse? :)What I said I stand by it. Also most of the posters are dumb as a brick, because none of these furom can be considered productive and enlightening. One makes a stupid comment, other starts another discussion on that topic. I am not sure that what moderators are doing? That is why we don't see any sense on any board. **
What you are putting on this forum is in fact all, at least most of it, is available on various websites on Quran and Islam, we can get it there. In fact you are the one who is not discussing anything but pushing your weight around with a lot of cut and paste. Ask moderator.
BB AND I ARE VETERANS OF DEBATING ON WORLD’S BEST DISCUSSION BOARDS/FORUMS AND WEB SITES WITH THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST OPPONENETS.
What are these sites. Please also tell us so that we can also visit those and see your bright oponents trying to win and invincible champion.
** MANY HAVE EVEN STARTED AN ENTIRE DISCUSSION IN OUR NAMES. WE CAME HERE TO EDUCATE SOME AMONG UMMAH WHO ARE EAGER TO LEARN AND LOOKING FOR INFO. IT WILL ALSO HELP THEM BOOST THEIR CONFIDENCE THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO GO AND DEBATE WHEREVER THEY WANT. FACT IS THAT WE ARE MORE EAGER TO DEBATE WITH CHRISTIANS AND JEWS OR TALK ABOUT THEM.**
First complete statement without any abuse or cut-paste. Compliments for that.
dhir:
Thanks for your feedback. Below is my response.
*The reason I say you do not have exhaustive knowledge of other religions is because I see that as per your statements all other religions are full of flaws and do not lead anywhere and hence should be put down. The approach in fact should be that Islam is a religion full of good and human values and with no flaws and that you will answer any question with logical reasoning directed against Islam. That will be more fruitful in the long run rather than telling others that their religion is a sham and so adapt Islam. *
*Well, you have some valid point here from your perspective. I will give you that. I would also like to mention that I am an author of a book and many articles and papers. The educational and religious software I have developed is available from almost all-major Islamic web sites. However, a comparison is not complete unless the weaknesses and strengths are not pointed out and/or answered. Before I started many tried to shot me down with their tautological rhetoric. One must realize that as a knowledgeable Muslim I will act according to my faith. I am here with open mind to debate with reason. I can handle opposition. But ignorance and stupidity I can’t, which some demonstrated. Frankly I don’t use desi culture and norm as well either. *
*You say you are hardly concerned what others believe in but you are concerned in telling them that what you are believing is in fact a super religion and so all should follow the lead. I agree with you on this point that you are unconcerned. You are right we are not discussing religion here but debating on the merits of aggressiveness against moderation. *
** What that means that Islaam says “there is no compulsion in religion…2:256”
For the rest of your comments one must have a rational understanding of Islaam. I simply can’t put my faith in closet because it does not please Johnny. I think it is Johnny who must be sensitive before he expects me to be sensitive for him. For example drinking may be norm for Johnny. But insisting me to drink is insensitive and offensive to my faith and me. **
*I see from your reply that you answer in a very logical, scientific, credible and convincing manner which leave other people wondering what the answer actually was. Thanks for your explanations, I have got my answer. *
Thanks you for your wonderful comments. You sounds to be a levelheaded person, I think we can communicate. I think the best think would be for all of us to arm ourselves with knowledge and acknowledge the fact only.
- What you are calling a brain fart is in fact my statement that Islam is a perfect religion and others may follow it as soon as they know of it. If you think it is a brain fart, then the maximum foul smell in this forum is because of you. Stop eating heavy brain-food and give yourself some rest. Eat Khichri. *
** The humor about brain fart to meant in reference to other part of the post. I wish I could eat Khichri, it has been probably 10 years I eat it. I don’t know how to cook it not my wife who is American. **
*What you are putting on this forum is in fact all, at least most of it, is available on various websites on Quran and Islam, we can get it there. In fact you are the one who is not discussing anything but pushing your weight around with a lot of cut and paste. Ask moderator. *
** Frankly I accidentally logged on this forum and decided to hang-in there. My objective is that every thing is available somewhat some where. There is no doubt about that. But my objective was to deliver it. It is a part of my faith and it is my responsibility as a Muslim. So what I am attempting to accomplish here is just my religious duty. But things are sorta hostile here. A Muslim simply cannot walk away saying what you said. **
*What are these sites. Please also tell us so that we can also visit those and see your bright oponents trying to win and invincible champion. *
** Well, as you said that all information available on the net. But watch out for imposter. There are some great places where people from all religions and all walks of life debate or discuss about issues. I don’t mean to insult anyone’s intelligence on this forum, but I doubt that anyone can last there based on what I read here. People involved in theology/religion issues are mainly Muslims and Christians and some Jews. Because these three religions have one root. They all started from Abraham (P)[Ibraheem a.s.]…These debate also requires too much study every one don’t know every thing. It requires too much research. For now it is a piece of cake for me, since I have plethora of information including my own database. But in the beginning it was 18 hours a day for weeks or may be months. I would not recommend that unless one is fond as much as I be. **
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Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution! *****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*