Regime change: a discussion

“I supported the removal of Saddam, there is no fault in that.”

The above quote is a typical enough comment from some members on this board and across the US, less so in Europe.

The following is addressed to people with sentiment reflecting the above comment.

Discussion:

Why? Was he threatening you or your family or anyone you knew, why all the concern for Iraqi’s before the war? Saddam, what about other dictators and regimes the US is supporting all around the world today?

The war was about terrorism and WMD, it was hastily juggled to regime change some time on, okay saddam went, and then mass murder carried on. So everyone the US is killing and torturing is innocent? No WMD, regime changed, must be innocent right?

What about Algeria, where the US backed regime slaughtered 10 000 in the last decade? What about Uzbekistan what about Suharto why did the US support his terror for decades.

This is not about regime change and not about you being hoodwinked, I know most people are good people but all people need to be honest people.

How was saddam affecting you in US, you personally.

Why the sanctions for a decade, making millions of people suffer for what, how did that help you personally that you made the personal choice to support a war?

Why don’t you support a war in Algeria against your government’s interests to remove a brutal regime?

This war in Iraq was sold to you and the army, the Iraqis were demonized, all of them not just saddam. How dare they fight back when they are being occupied, they deserve to be treated like animals. The pictures of Abu Ghraib torture are testimony to this.

This future looks bleak.

For democracy: Overwhelming percentage of European population of those countries who went to war didn’t want to. See Italy, Spain and Hungary. Thos countries that supported their populations wishes (France Germany) were reviled in the US.

For Human rights: Abu Ghraib/Iraq, Gauntanomo

For world peace: The US is attempting to indefinitely rule the world by force, the doctrine of pre-emptive war has been mutated with wars carried with no threat of imminent attack.

We never really got to know what happened in Guantanamo. Probably, it was a million times worse. It's de-humanising humans and it's totally sick and disgusting. Makes me cringe.

Removal of Saddam was a message to arabs to control their terrorists and not send them to America. Or there will be consequences.

Excellent discussion Chota. Particularly, I like the following (then I feel asleep).

Why? Was he threatening you or your family or anyone you knew, why all the concern for Iraqi's before the war? Saddam, what about other dictators and regimes the US is supporting all around the world today?<<<

Now tell us all, how the war in Iraq is threatening you or your family?

it aint affecting mine...but does that mean that i should start wars with whoever the hell i feel like with

Madhanee,

If you’d read and addressed the rest of ‘discussion’ you would have avoided making an ass of yourself. For me to be against ‘regime change’ and so called ‘pre-emptive’ wars by the US or for that matter any country is in line across the board and not hypocritical. Whereas in your turning the question around you have avoided honesty.

If you are for the war on Iraq and indeed regime change why not in Algeria too and Uzbekistan (US backed brutal terror regimes) and I suppose you were also in support of the US government when it supported other terror regimes:

Suharto Indonesia

Nicolae Ceausescu - Romania

Ferdinand Edralin Marcos - Philippines

Jean Claude 'Baby Doc' Duvalier-Haiti

Joseph Désiré Mobuto Sese Seko – Zaire

So why this sudden change of heart for the Iraqi people, why does your heart bleed for them to the extent that you support a war to get rid of their dictator but not others?

You live in a thought cocoon of someone else’s making and are happy with it too, bravo!

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Removal of Saddam was a message to arabs to control their terrorists and not send them to America. Or there will be consequences.
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Why not send that message directly to the country that had the majority of its citizens carry out the WTC attacks? Why don't you go out and oust King Fahd ?

"Consequences" like what? Like we will torture, sodomize, and rape the prisoners of your country? One wonders who the terrorists are.

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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *

Why not send that message directly to the country that had the majority of its citizens carry out the WTC attacks? Why don't you go out and oust King Fahd ?

"Consequences" like what? Like we will torture, sodomize, and rape the prisoners of your country? One wonders who the terrorists are.
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Terrorists are who cut people's heads off and are not held accountable for it. Not people who humiliate/abuse prisoners and get punished.

The US first had to choose an arab country with the most anti-American dictator. If it had attacked Saudi Arabia or Pak, the centers of terror, who would be complaining the loudest?

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Terrorists are who cut people's heads off and are not held accountable for it. Not people who humiliate/abuse prisoners and get punished.

The US first had to choose an arab country with the most anti-American dictator. If it had attacked Saudi Arabia or Pak, the centers of terror, who would be complaining the loudest?
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Pakistan ke baree me esee baat na karooo.ekk baat yaad rakhoo
jo apne MULK aur Deen ka wafaadaar nahee, wuh kisee ka bhee
wafaadaar nahee husaktaa.aur uksa hashr IBRAATNAAK hee hugaaa.
wuh khetee he naa kee"dhoobi ka ___a ghar ka na ghat kaa".

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*Originally posted by rehman1: *

Pakistan ke baree me esee baat na karooo.ekk baat yaad rakhoo
jo apne MULK aur Deen ka wafaadaar nahee, wuh kisee ka bhee
wafaadaar nahee husaktaa.aur uksa hashr IBRAATNAAK hee hugaaa.
wuh khetee he naa kee"dhoobi ka ___a ghar ka na ghat kaa".
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This mulk is not wafaadaar with its own people.

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*Originally posted by Chota: *

Ferdinand Edralin Marcos - Philippines

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If I'm not mistaken, that Saddam-like butcher was given asylum in the United States after he was booted out of his country by people power? Maybe some American member can confirm that fact?

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*Originally posted by Chota: *

Joseph Désiré Mobuto Sese Seko – Zaire
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This Saddam-like dictator was hailed by former US President Ronald Reagan as "a voice of good sense and good will."

Does one need to detail the level of support the US provided this butcher, and what Mobutu did to his own people?

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*Originally posted by Malik73: *

This Saddam-like dictator was hailed by former US President Ronald Reagan as "a voice of good sense and good will."

Does one need to detail the level of support the US provided this butcher, and what Mobutu did to his own people?
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And now Pakistan supports America, this must put you in a state of disconcertion Malik.

Suharto - Indonesia

Nicolae Ceausescu - Romania

Ferdinand Edralin Marcos - Philippines

Jean Claude 'Baby Doc' Duvalier-Haiti

Joseph Désiré Mobuto Sese Seko – Zaire

Killed countless hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians with US funding, so why support removal fo saddam and not them?

You'll get there in the end, but for now run run!!