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Indians are US’s intellectual capital

Indians have emerged as the leading source of imported intellectual capital for the United States, with a growing number of students enrolling in American universities even as overall foreign enrolment dropped, according to a media report.

The good news comes from India whose students were overtaking their Chinese counterparts as the largest group of foreign students enrolled in US universities, the San Jose Mercury News reported, adding their numbers continued to rise.

In 2003-04, the number of foreign students from India rose to 79,736 compared with 61,765 from China, the report said.

At Stanford University, the number of students from India had risen to 461 in the current academic year, up 23 per cent from two years ago, while the number of Chinese students slipped to 545 from 553. At San Jose State University, Indian student numbers grew 21 per cent over the past two years to 254, while the population of Chinese students shrank by 35 per cent to 68.

However, some quarters in the United States have expressed concern over the overall decline of foreign enrolments in the country’s universities.

Silicon Valley, which has welcomed foreign students to fill the jobs and help the US maintain its technical edge in the world, was concerned that the declining number of foreign students could jeopardise an important source of brainpower.

The total number of foreign students dropped by 2.4 per cent in the 2003-04 academic year. “We could lose some of the extremely talented people who have come here and contributed,” said Arthur Bienenstock, Vice-Provost and Dean of graduate research at Stanford.

The significance of foreign students was underscored by a University of California in Berkeley study which found that in 1998, Chinese and Indian computer scientists and engineers operated 25 per cent of high-tech firms in the San Francisco Bay region – and accounted for more than 58,000 jobs and almost $17 billion in sales.

According to the report, much change in mix appeared to be related to tougher screening of visa applicants after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack and the differing ways they were handled at embassies and consulates abroad.

Security check on visa applications from students in science and technology fields is believed to have discouraged many Chinese students from applying to US schools. Not so for Indian students, who faced the same screening and whose enrolment shot up by 46 per cent from the 2000-01 academic year to 2003-04. Chinese enrolment rose three per cent during that time.

“I expect their (Indian) numbers to continue to grow,” said Peggy Bloomenthal, vice president for educational programmes at the Institute of International Education in New York. "Indian students haven’t experienced problems with security checks to the same degree as the Chinese because the processing has gone a lot smoother at the US Embassy in New Delhi. They took measures to shorten the delays at an earlier stage, she was quoted as saying.

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some azad shayri:

gujrati grad students :disgust: , what can you do.
They wear their pants up high, shirts tucked in.
At dancing they completely suck.
Hit em in the balls and thats all you can do
"what is your good name " , they ask me.
punch in the tiny balls is what they get.

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India can never succeed as a nation… the education system is screwed up in their country - thats why they come to study to USA pakistanis don’t have such problems.. pakistan zindabad..

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Be fair!

Only a fool would suggest Pak HE is better then India's. India has some fine institutions, more then we do.

How many Pakistanis went to the US for university study in the same period?

Just to see where we stand in comparison (even if on a per capita basis) with the next Asian giants.

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India is already successful as a nation. read some sources other then your school books.

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I think Pak needs more entrpenaurs. People who are willing to think big rather than open a small shop selling prate software. Obviously going to the west seeing how IBM, HP or other blue chip comapnies helps to setup at hime in Pak. I think to many educated Pakistanis think that they cant do anything once they go to Pak, no oppurtunities just fraud on goverment side and fear of organised crime is the perception. I think India will do very well in the next few years with the large amount of small startup's in the IT and Bio Tech. You will find a lot of innovation from small companies.

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Yes, go and read from some site and make conclusions.. go and and see in india- plus the whole culture is screwed up in that country.. look at their films and music videos.. we are far better..

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I am an Indian dude, i lived their all my life and still a citizen. And about the culture, it is changing. you cannot bind a culture, the best way to preserve it is to let it grow.

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We have some good institutions in Pakistan, but India is definitely ahead of us. But alot is being done about education in Pakistan. InshaAllah within the next 10 years alot of things will change in pakistan as well.

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only if the pople of pakistan do their job - at present they seem happy to let the military and the religious zealots ruin the ountry ‘slowly and steadily’ rather than the ‘peoples’ governments’ that ruined the country ‘fast’. some choice, eh?

Stop being jealous of India. Stop trying to act as if the arabs give a hoot to your muslim brotherhood. Stop wasting precious time and intellect on coveting thy neighbor’s lands.

Focus on detoxing your kids from the extremist jingoism. Let them learn that Islam is not the only thing around; let them learn that India has shown the way and not all bad.

Or your country is doomed.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/03/opinion/03friedman.html?oref=login

Op-Ed Columnist
A Race to the Top

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: June 3, 2005
Bangalore, India

It was extremely revealing traveling from Europe to India as French voters (and now Dutch ones) were rejecting the E.U. constitution - in one giant snub to President Jacques Chirac, European integration, immigration, Turkish membership in the E.U. and all the forces of globalization eating away at Europe’s welfare states. It is interesting because French voters are trying to preserve a 35-hour work week in a world where Indian engineers are ready to work a 35-hour day. Good luck.

Voters in “old Europe” - France, Germany, the Netherlands and Italy - seem to be saying to their leaders: stop the world, we want to get off; while voters in India have been telling their leaders: stop the world and build us a stepstool, we want to get on. I feel sorry for Western European blue collar workers. A world of benefits they have known for 50 years is coming apart, and their governments don’t seem to have a strategy for coping.

One reason French voters turned down the E.U. constitution was rampant fears of “Polish plumbers.” Rumors that low-cost immigrant plumbers from Poland were taking over the French plumbing trade became a rallying symbol for anti-E.U. constitution forces. A few weeks ago Franz Müntefering, chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, compared private equity firms - which buy up failing businesses, downsize them and then sell them - to a “swarm of locusts.”

The fact that a top German politician has resorted to attacking capitalism to win votes tells you just how explosive the next decade in Western Europe could be, as some of these aging, inflexible economies - which have grown used to six-week vacations and unemployment insurance that is almost as good as having a job - become more intimately integrated with Eastern Europe, India and China in a flattening world.

To appreciate just how explosive, come to Bangalore, India, the outsourcing capital of the world. The dirty little secret is that India is taking work from Europe or America not simply because of low wages. It is also because Indians are ready to work harder and can do anything from answering your phone to designing your next airplane or car. They are not racing us to the bottom. They are racing us to the top.

Indeed, there is a huge famine breaking out all over India today, an incredible hunger. But it is not for food. It is a hunger for opportunity that has been pent up like volcanic lava under four decades of socialism, and it’s now just bursting out with India’s young generation.

“India is the oldest civilization, the largest democracy and the youngest population - almost 70 percent is below age 35 and almost 50 percent is 25 and under,” said Shekhar Gupta, editor of The Indian Express. Next to India, Western Europe looks like an assisted-living facility with Turkish nurses.

Sure, a huge portion of India still lives in wretched slums or villages, but more and more of the young cohort are grasping for something better. A grass-roots movement is now spreading, demanding that English be taught in state schools - where 85 percent of children go - beginning in first grade, not fourth grade. “What’s new is where this movement is coming from,” said the Indian commentator Krishna Prasad. “It’s coming from the farmers and the Dalits, the lowest groups in society.” Even the poor have been to the cities enough to know that English is now the key to a tech-sector job, and they want their kids to have those opportunities.

The Indian state of West Bengal has the oldest elected Communist government left in the world today. Some global technology firms recently were looking at outsourcing there, but told the Communists they could not do so because of the possibility of worker strikes that might disrupt the business processes of the companies they work for. No problem. The Communist government declared information technology work an “essential service,” making it illegal for those workers to strike. Have a nice day.

“This is not about wages at all - the whole wage differential thing is going to reduce very quickly,” said Rajesh Rao, who heads the innovative Indian game company, Dhruva. It is about people who have been starving “finally seeing the ability to realize their dreams.” Both Infosys and Wipro, India’s leading technology firms, received more than one million applications last year for a little more than 10,000 job openings.

Yes, this is a bad time for France and friends to lose their appetite for hard work - just when India, China and Poland are rediscovering theirs.

Paul Krugman is on vacation.

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wow, do you always talk out of your ass or are you just having a bad gas day. What chapter of RSS sponsored school did you graduate from. Looks like we are not the only ones that are being “brainwashed.”

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^ what part of my advise do you disagree with?

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wrong question. Should be what I DIDN’T disagree with.

where did you get the idea that we are ever so infatuated with our arab friends. Sure some (read MMA) people in pak masturbate to the thought of the pure arab knights riding to our door at night carrying us to the promised land, but how is it any different from RSS jacking off to the delusion that hindus are aryan and germany was the greatest nation in the world.

M. S. Golwalkar, the RSS’s sarsangchalak (supreme director) from 1940 to 1973, sharpened these themes. In 1938, commenting on the Nuremberg racial laws, he declared: “Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us . . . to learn and profit by.” In an address to RSS members the same year, he also asserted: “If we Hindus grow stronger, in time Muslim friends . . . will have to play the part of German Jews.” He insisted that “the non-Hindu . . . must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and revere Hindu religion. . . . Or [they] may stay in the country wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges.” On March 25, 1939, the Hindu nationalist Mahasabha Party, an RSS ally, likewise proclaimed: “Germany’s solemn idea of the revival of the Aryan culture, the glorification of the swastika, her patronage of Vedic learning, and the ardent championship of Indo-Germanic civilization are welcomed by the religious and sensible Hindus of India with a jubilant hope.”

http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0406/opinion/marshall.htm

The RSS is now a major paramilitary organization with millions of members. Its educational wing, the Vidya Bharati, has some twenty thousand educational institutes, with one hundred thousand teachers and two million students. The Vidya Bharati schools distribute booklets containing a map of India that encompasses not only Pakistan and Bangladesh but also the entire region of Bhutan, Nepal, Tibet, and parts of Myanmar, all under the heading “Punya Bhoomi Bharat,” the “Indian Holy Land.” The RSS also has separate organizations for tribal peoples, intellectuals, teachers, slum dwellers, leprosy patients, cooperatives, consumers, newspapers, industrialists, Sikhs, ex-servicemen, overseas Indians, and an organization for religion and proselytization, as well as trade unions, student and economic organizations, and a women’s chapter.

holy mother of pearl. Looks like madrasas are not the only place for producing religious fanatics.

india certainly has shown the way like the article above. I think it’s about high time MMA and sangh parivar join forces. With “educated” nimrods like you in their side, sub continent will surely become a hotbed of hatred in no time at all.

here are some other ways the high and mightly Hindia has shown us the way. ( I stole these articles from nicols. Sorry about that johnny. :slight_smile:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118033/entry/2118040/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118033/entry/2118041/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118033/entry/2118047/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2118033/entry/2118048/

and for one second look up from your RSS manifesto or whatever the hell that you read and stop fantasizing about the destruction of pakistan. too much excitement is bad for your health.

sorry again for stealing someone else’s link.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...id=a6zUufNih3as

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^ when you're done foaming, cut the blithering and answer my question - what part of what I said do you not agree with?

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so that’s your comeback huh. This is a PUBLIC forum, meaning everyone can see what we are talking about. You DO realize that, don’t you. You’ve made enough of an ass out of yourself. Do you really need to dig yourself a bigger hole. It’s not my fault that you haven’t mastered the art of comprehension. Keep trying though, you’ll eventually get the hang of it. I can understand why you would fail to “see” what my post was about. Truth always has a way to make a zealot like you blind.

You remind of the iraqi info minister. “what nonsense. There’s no american here. our brave army has killed them all. we shall put on a victory parade now.” says so the great minister as american tanks roll by in the background. :hehe:

But I will leave you be. You have more important things in your plate such as “showing us the way” to shed our baboonish (if that’s a word) way like your bharat mata has done.