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Half of my own family lives on other side of LOC & I have 1st hand account from them. Indian EC has always given exaggerated figs to legitimize Indian occupation of Kashmir. This has been going since end of governor's rule in early 1990s.

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1146777/voter-turnout-70-per-cent-in-kashmir-poll-indian-ec-claims

GANDERBAL: Voters in Indian-held Kashmir turned out in large numbers under tight security Tuesday as Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist party tried to win power for the first time in the tense Muslim-majority state.
Voters lined up in 15 heavily guarded constituencies in the first stage of staggered elections, ignoring a call by separatist leaders to boycott the poll because of India’s rule over the troubled Himalayan region.
Turnout was high in seats across the region, including near the de facto border that divides Indian and Pakistani Kashmir and in remote Ladakh, home to mostly Buddhists, where temperatures have dropped below freezing.
“Vote in large numbers & vote with your hearts,” tweeted the region’s chief minister Omar Abdullah, whose National Conference party faces a tough fight to stay in power.
Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is staging a bold attempt to seize control of the Jammu and Kashmir state’s 87-member assembly, a move that would have been unthinkable until very recently.
The party has traditionally had no base in the Kashmir Valley, where residents’ resentment against Indian rule runs high.
About a dozen rebel groups have been fighting Indian forces since 1989 for Kashmir’s independence or for its merger with Pakistan. Tens of thousands of people, mostly civilians, have died.
But Modi’s landslide win at national elections in May on a pledge to revive the economy, along with a meltdown in support for incumbent Abdullah after deadly floods in September, have given the BJP hope of a breakthrough.
Outside a polling station in Ganderbal, a seat Abdullah’s family has long dominated, some voters at least were ready to give the BJP a chance.
“Whoever is willing to do the work is the best party. There’s nothing wrong with the BJP. Whoever works for the poor is the best party,” said taxi driver Aris Ahmed in Ganderbal, 30 kilometres (20 miles) north of the main city of Srinagar.
Election Commission claims turnout high Separatist hardliners have called for a boycott of the poll, but the Election Commission claimed turnout was 70 per cent across the region and was likely to rise with voters still queueing as stations closed.
“The polls in phase one have gone off absolutely peacefully without any untoward incident,” deputy election commissioner Vinod Zutshi told reporters, adding that a woman said to be 121 was among those casting ballots.
Meanwhile, in Pakistani Kashmir, 1,000 people protested in the region’s main town of Muzaffarabad, denouncing the elections in Indian-held Kashmir as “fraudulent”. :rotfl:

Some polls in the past have been marred by low turnout and violent clashes with security forces.

A boycott could play to the BJP’s advantage since although Hindus are a minority in Kashmir, their votes take on extra importance if many Muslims stay home.
The BJP has staged a major media campaign, with newspapers in English and Urdu running large advertisements calling on voters to “Come let’s go with Modi”.

But analysts said the BJP may have overplayed its hand, predicting ahead of the vote that the blitz would prompt anti-BJP voters to turn out in large numbers, rather than boycott, to cast ballots for regional parties.
“Yes I voted, because votes count and a boycott doesn’t,” said government contract worker Bashir Mohammed at a station in Ganderbal.

Thousands of soldiers had been deployed in and around polling stations.
Most separatists have either been arrested or confined to their houses in the lead-up to the election, while police have also detained dozens of youths, authorities have told AFP.
Jammu and Kashmir will vote in five phases, with results due on December 23.
Elections were also being held Tuesday in the insurgency-racked and impoverished central state of Jharkhand, where the BJP is also attempting to seize power.
Army and police have been deployed in force at polling stations for the first phase of the election there amid fears of attacks from Maoists.
The rebels have long been fighting authorities for land, jobs and other rights for poor tribal groups in a conflict that has cost thousands of lives.

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Indian election is one of the best and the most transparent election systems in the world.

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Any link?

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Well then independent groups you were talking about were actually some family members? Ok, they must be from rest of the 30% who didnt vote but still it doesnt make independent "groups".

Like is said the discrepency would have been picked up by media and people of kashmir already had it happened. And EC of India is one of the most respected institutions in India, i take their words with my eyes closed.

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70 percent turnout? So what, asks pro-freedom camp | Kashmir Reader

Did a search on 70 pct turnout. All links from India Press. There was a Dawn article. That stated “according to EC”

The only link I found that was skeptical is posted here. The other side of the coin - the folks favoring separation are behind bars. And not allowed to speak to the people.

Believing any organization with eyes closed is probably not a good thing. Amounts to circular logic - EC widely respected in “India”. So what they say must be true.

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You think Indian govt institutions have credibility when it comes to Kashmir? Do you expect EC to non-partisan especially given that most of pro freedom leaders have spent decades either in jail or under house arrest? And the media...lets said about Indian media the better. Their credibility is near zero.

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So what is the credibility of Mr.Geelani?All those who have commented in the given are APHC people,with dubious backgrounds.

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The bolded part in the news shows the frustration of these `self-hyped’ people who ditched an entire generation in to blood spill and frustration.

70 percent turnout? So what, asks pro-freedom camp | Kashmir Reader

Srinagar: Pro-freedom leaders Tuesday dismissed the high voter turnout in the first phase of assembly elections as “meaningless” and “manipulated,” saying polls held under the “shadow of gun” cannot alter the “disputed status” of Jammu and Kashmir.
“I’m not surprised to learn about the poling percentage in the sham elections. This happens in a police state, where elections are carried out in a manner of a military operation. What’s the credibility of the elections held under the barrel of gun?” asked Hurriyat Conference (G) chairman, Syed Ali Shah Geelani.
Geelani, who is under continuous house arrest, said that the state had “pushed all its men and machinery into action to conduct the so-called elections.”
“If India is a democracy, then we should have been allowed to run a boycott campaign. Why didn’t they allow us to do so? Instead, thousands of people, including pro-freedom leaders were detained and put behind bars. Men from my native village have been arrested and lodged at Mattan. It was a one- sided military campaign,” he said.
Lashing out at New Delhi, the octogenarian leader said that its “agents lured people with money to contest the elections.”
“As a result, in every constituency a dozen candidates popped up overnight. Greed and lust of power made them forget everything else,” he said.
The Mirwaiz Umar Farooq-led Hurriyat Conference said the “meaningless exercise” of polls would have no bearing on the “internationally-recognised” disputed status of Jammu and Kashmir.
“ Staging the drama of elections under massive military cover and false promises of development to people cannot change the historic reality of Jammu and Kashmir being an internationally-recognised dispute which has to be ultimately resolved as per UN resolutions of through a meaningful dialogue process between India, Pakistan and Kashmiris,” the amalgam said in a statement.
Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM) chairperson Asiya Andrabi said that she was not surprised to hear about long queues of voters outside the polling booths. She said whether people vote or not, a government will be installed in the state.
“Even in 2008, we witnessed such scenes. However, that doesn’t mean people are against the movement. We have to understand that people are reeling under fear psychosis created by the huge presence of forces,” she said.
She said compared to the relief given to the flood victims, a huge amount was spend by pro-India parties to trap the needy people.
“I challenge New Delhi to allow me to express my viewpoint to the oppressed and suppressed people of Kashmir. I guarantee 90 percent of people will boycott these so-called elections,” she said.
Acting chairman, Muslim League, Mohammad Yousuf Mir, told Kashmir Reader that the participation of people in the elections was “largely because of the misleading campaign of the regional parties.”
Senior leader of Hurriyat Conference (JK) Farooq Ahmad Dar said those taking part in elections were ‘shameless’.
“Those taking part in elections are shameless and their claims are hollow as their politics is based on fraud and deception. Participating in such fraud elections is treason with the sacred blood of martyrs.”

“We believe that despite the so-called election drama in the presence of forces, our freedom struggle will not only succeed but India’s double standard politics will also get exposed to the whole world.”
Questioning the holding of elections while pro-freedom people were detained, Dar said, “These elections are conducted under the shadow of gun and putting the real representatives of people behind bars”
Challenging pro India leaders to fight the resistance leaders on political grounds by releasing them, he said, “Then they will come to know who really represents the people of Kashmir.”
The Yasin Malik-led JKLF dismissed elections in Kashmir as ‘manipulated and fixed’.
“Elections in Jammu Kashmir are a mere eye wash, a fixed match having no credibility at all. These manipulated elections cannot deter people from pursuing the path of freedom,” JKLF vice chairman Mushtaq Ahmad Ajmal said in a statement.
He said, “Since 1950s Kashmiris have been witnessing this drama every now and then but it has and will never change the course of our struggle for freedom. The results of a fixed match have no value or credibility and even Indian leaders like LK Advani have admitted the fact that elections in Kashmir are always manipulated.”
Ajmal said that while pro India parties went for elections pro freedom organisations started relief and rehabilitation process for the flood-affected people. He thanked those who donated generously.
JKLF condemned the police crackdown carried against its activists. Front also paid tributes to the founder of daily Aftab, Khawaja Sanaullah Bhat on his death anniversary.

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Gives a clear picture.People do not want more bloodsheds.They just want peaceful life.

Winds of change: Kashmiri professionals join poll fray - The Times of India

SRINAGAR: Haseeb Drabu, 52, and Zafar Meraj, 62, would have been unlikely Kashmiri politicians a generation ago, this being a state where politics has been the domain either of entrenched political families or separatist ideologues.

Drabu is a former J&K Bank chairman, an ex-ADB economist who served as economic adviser to the PDP government. He’s making his electoral debut as PDP candidate from Rajpora. Meraj, a firebrand journalist, worked for a popular news magazine, and now runs his own newspaper. He too is a first-time contestant from Habba Kadal on a PDP ticket.

Both believe that just as middle-class professionals elsewhere now see politics as a way to bring about change, it’s time educated and honest professionals joined politics in Kashmir.

Drabu calls himself an “experiment being tried by PDP chief Mufti Mohammad Sayeed”. The biggest issue in Kashmir is that politicians have used the system for personal gains, the former banker says. “Kashmir has young politicians but aged political workers. Kashmir needs people willing to work at all levels.”

Meraj says he realized the limits of journalism in his fight against BJP “majoritarianism”. “BJP’s aggression in Kashmir made me want to defend what I believe is Kashmiri identity. Delhi ki ghulami nahin chahiye.”

Drabu, spoken of as a possible khazana mantri or finance minister if PDP wins, comes from a reputable Rajpora family and says he’s benefitting because his great grandfather’s name is respected. “I want to live up to my grandfather’s good name.”

“Team Drabu” consists of 20-member village committees, five-member booth committees, data analysts and six core team members, all of them connected via SMS groups. Drabu’s economic vision for Kashmir is import substitution, bringing back the missing multiplier into the economy, attracting local investment. He hopes to create “constituency cards” that’ll help his constituents get a basket of facilities.

The articulate Drabu enjoys 24/7 politics, his clan of 48 cousins has joined his campaign and they feast on wazwan in the family’s Rajpora mansion almost every night. He took the plunge “because of my admiration for Mufti Mohammad Sayeed”. PDP, he says, isn’t like the NC dynasty. Farooq was a doctor and Omar worked for a hotel, they para-trooped into Kashmir. Mehbooba built PDP. We are offline politicians, not online Twitter-FB types like Omar," Drabu laughs.

Meraj was once kidnapped at gunpoint, shot five times and left for dead. He got himself to hospital and was flown to Delhi for multiple surgeries. “Kashmiri Hindus and Muslims have lived together for generations. When I sent my son Shameem to Delhi, he lived with a vegetarian Pandit family for seven years. That’s why I oppose BJP’s divisive agenda.”

He says for decades Kashmir never had “elections”, only “selections”. “Since 2002 that’s changed and democracy become vibrant.”

Drabu and Meraj insist PDP, not NC or BJP, is the new party of promise in the Valley. “My politics is for a politically empowered, self-reliant, socially cohesive Kashmir and for a Kashmir that enjoys political autonomy. PDP fits the bill. I didn’t understand why Modi came to Kashmir to celebrate Diwali. Who celebrates Diwali here? Pandits celebrate Shiv Ratri,” Drabu argues.

He says it’s not the Centre that’s disengaged from Kashmir, it’s the civil society. “Kashmir had the most radical land reforms in the democratic world. Why does no Indian academic study Kashmir’s land reforms? Why do they only study Bengal and Kerala?”

Drabu argues that he’s disappointed that companies don’t want to come to Kashmir. “In Wall Street the saying is, when there’s blood on the street, invest. Investing in risky places ensures high returns. But where’s the investment in Kashmir? Not even Narayana Murthy is willing to come.”

Meraj believes educated Kashmiris must invest in their home state. “Azaadi resulted from false promises made by the likes of NC. If more educated people join, the legislature will become more representative.”

Drabu says transforming the Kashmiri MLA’s role is crucial. The MLA is still seen in transactional terms – someone who can get a boy freed from police if he’s been unjustly picked up.

The mobile phone, Drabu believes, was the turning point in Kashmir. “The day mobiles came here, the state became safer, more connected. It dramatically changed the ground reality.”

Is the entry of educated professionals a sign that the hold of the separatist mentality is on the retreat? It’d be a mistake to think that, Meraj says. The sentiment of mistrust is alive, which is why democratic representation is key. A youngster sees his vote as one that’ll empower the Kashmir assembly," Drabu says, “That’s a big change.”

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I think you made my point. You don't trust APHC. And call the "APHC people" having "dubious backgrounds" APHC doesn't trust the process. APHC leaders get locked up.

Not exactly an exemplary way of conducting elections.

Or is it?

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The bolder part, when taken within the context of the who article, does reflect their justified frustration.

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APHC people had nothing to do with elections,when they had already boycotted it.

What the best they could do was to incite some Kashmiri youths to pelt stones at security personnel.

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You are continuing to make my point. They may be bad guys to you. But not to those who swear by them. And democracy is not done at point of a gun.

A boycott is an accepted form of protest, by the way.

Your comment is similar to EBITDA metric - which is earnings after Removing all the inconvenient stuff.

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Boycott is an accepted form of potest.Agreed.But it is `received' only when the legitimate people call for it.APHC does not represent anything but a militant faction.(There may be some exceptions like Mr.Malik,who gave up the path of violence long back).

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Each time YOU decide for Kashmiris who is a legitimate representative for them, you continue to make my point.

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You can claim so. There is no dearth of claiming on either side.

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Yes, a lot of Indian instutions have good credibility regardless of the state they operate in. Especially EC which has never been accused of anything

And Indian media, i agree with you on that

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You can not generalize Indian media on that.There are a myriad independent medias.

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Did you get the irony here?