Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an

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Re: Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur’an

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You are looking at some old book.

Plz go to following link
Embryo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and read Week 6-8.

Week 6-8 Myogenesis and neurogenesis have progressed to where the embryo is capable of motion, and the eyes begin to form. Organogenesis and growth continue. Hair has started to form along with all essential organs. Facial features are beginning to develop. At the end of the 8th week, the embryonic stage is over, and the fetal stage begins

Whatever Jean Reith Schroedel thinks, is her opinion. It does not make it a scientific fact (until proven, and your point is it is proven).

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Islam had the Greatest scientists in those days who are still renowned now and they made great advances in medicine,mathematics-(Algebra came from Al Jabr), architecture and many other fields! Just look it up for yourselves! But it did decline due to various reasons!
This post just highlights the fact that our Lord is teaching us about the stages he made us in and about the creation of the universe and everything it contains! All these scientific facts were discovered very recently and the Qur'an

matter of fact is there names sounds arabic but in reality they were well most of them from persia kurdistaan etc

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Mujhe us se mohabbat hai,
Mujhe us se mohabbat hai,
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Please qualify this statement or it shall be removed .... thanks

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If you read my post properly i gave u THREE QUOTES TO BACK UP MY CASE! and you only gave me one opinion that is derived from a company called Medline in America! 3 versus 1! i think the majority view of scientists who agree that life truly begins for a baby on the fourth month because it is given a heartbeat and blood is pumped around it's body and the sex of the fetus is easily identifiable. The face looks human, and movement is usually discernible. (Jean Roche, M.D.2008)-*is that out of date? *

Thank you for trying anyway!I invite you to the beautiful religion of Islam please read for your own knowledge and you will see the logic and all your questions in life answered! Its not going to benefit me is it! But its for your own benefit for your success in this world and the next! and thanks again for reading!

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In fact the majority of Muslim scientists were Arab and of course there were numerous non arabs but they all spoke one language in those days which was arabic! But I dont understand what you are trying to prove here? whether they are Arabic, persian,kurdish or spanish THE FACT IS THEIR STILL MUSLIM!

Muslim scientists and scholars have contributed immensely to human knowledge especially in the period between 8th and 14th century CE. However, their contributions have been largely ignored, forgotten or have gone un-acknowledged.

Here are a list of renowned Muslim scientists who have contributed in many important fields throughout the ages:

Astronomers and Astrophysicists
****Muhammad Ahmad Khan Minhas
Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
Jafar al-Sadiq
Yaqūb ibn Tāriq
Ibrahim al-Fazari
Muhammad al-Fazari
Naubakht
Al-Khwarizmi, also a mathematician
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
Al-Farghani
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit)
Sinan ibn Thabit
Ibrahim ibn Sinan
Al-Majriti
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
Abd Al-Rahman Al Sufi
Abdul Ahad, an astronomer and science fiction author[1]
Abu Sa'id Gorgani
Kushyar ibn Labban
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
Al-Mahani
Al-Marwazi
Al-Nayrizi
Al-Saghani
Al-Farghani
Abu Nasr Mansur
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi)
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
Ibn Yunus
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Avicenna
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
Omar Khayyám
Al-Khazini
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
Nur Ed-Din Al Betrugi (Alpetragius)
Averroes
Al-Jazari
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
Anvari
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
Nasir al-Din Tusi
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
Ibn al-Shatir
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
Jamshīd al-Kāshī
Ulugh Beg, also a mathematician
Taqi al-Din, Ottoman astronomer
Ahmad Nahavandi
Haly Abenragel
Abolfadl Harawi
Kerim Kerimov, a founder of Soviet space program, a lead architect behind first human spaceflight (Vostok 1), and the lead architect of the first space stations (Salyut and Mir)
Farouk El-Baz, a NASA scientist involved in the first Moon landings with the Apollo program
Abdul Kalam
Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud
Muhammed Faris
Abdul Ahad Mohmand
Talgat Musabayev
Anousheh Ansari
Amir Ansari
Essam Heggy, a planetary scientist involved in the NASA Mars Exploration Program
Ahmed Salem
Alaa Ibrahim
Mohamed Sultan
Shadia Habbal specialist in sun physics.
Ahmed Noor

Chemists and Alchemists

Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
Jafar al-Sadiq
Jabir Ibn Hayyan (Geber), father of chemistry
Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman)
Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
Al-Majriti
Ibn Miskawayh
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Avicenna
Al-Khazini
Nasir al-Din Tusi
Hasan al-Rammah
Ibn Khaldun
Sake Dean Mahomet
Salimuzzaman Siddiqui
Al-Khwārizmī Father of Al-Gabra, (Mathematics)
Ahmed H. Zewail, Nobel Prize in Chemistry, 1999
Ali Eftekhari

Economists and Social Scientists

Muhammad(saw) (570-632), discussed corporate social responsibility
Abu Hanifa an-Nu‘man (699-767), economist
Abu Yusuf (731-798), economist
Ishaq bin Ali al-Rahwi (854–931), economist
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius) (873–950), economist
Al-Saghani (d. 990), one of the earliest historians of science
Shams al-Mo'ali Abol-hasan Ghaboos ibn Wushmgir (Qabus) (d. 1012), economist
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī (973-1048), considered the "first anthropologist" and father of Indology
Ibn Sina (Avicenna) (980–1037), economist
Ibn Miskawayh (b. 1030), economist
Al-Ghazali (Algazel) (1058–1111), economist
Al-Mawardi (1075–1158), economist
Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī (Tusi) (1201-1274), economist
Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288), sociologist
Ibn Taymiyyah (1263–1328), economist
Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), forerunner of social sciences such as demography, cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology and economics
Al-Maqrizi (1364-1442), economist
Akhtar Hameed Khan, Pakistani social scientist; pioneer of microcredit
Mahbub ul Haq, Pakistani economist; developer of Human Development Index and founder of Human Development Report
Muhammad Yunus, Bangladeshi economist; succesful user of microcredit and microfinance
(Abdullahi Anshur Jimale)British Ctizen origin Somali,economist;succesful user of Computer Accountance & Payroll

Geographers and Earth Scientists

Muhammad(saw), discussed environmental philosophy
Al-Masudi, the "Herodotus of the Arabs", and pioneer of historical geography
Al-Kindi, pioneer of environmental science
Qusta ibn Luqa
Ibn Al-Jazzar
Al-Tamimi
Al-Masihi
Avicenna
Ali ibn Ridwan
Muhammad al-Idrisi, also a cartographer
Ahmad ibn Fadlan
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, father of geodesy, considered the first geologist and "first anthropologist”
Avicenna
Ibn Jumay
Abd-el-latif
Averroes
Ibn al-Nafis
Ibn al-Quff
Ibn Battuta
Ibn Khaldun
Piri Reis
Evliya Çelebi
Zaghloul El-Naggar
Abdullahi Anshur Jimale

Mathematicians

Al-Hajjāj ibn Yūsuf ibn Matar
Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī (Algorismi) - father of algebra and algorithms
Al-Abbās ibn Said al-Jawharī
'Abd al-Hamīd ibn Turk
Hunayn ibn Ishaq
Al-Kindi (Alkindus)
Ja'far ibn Muhammad Abu Ma'shar al-Balkhi (Albumasar)
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa)
Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Mahani
Ahmed ibn Yusuf
Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit)
Sinan ibn Thabit
Ibrahim ibn Sinan
Al-Majriti
Muhammad ibn Jābir al-Harrānī al-Battānī (Albatenius)
Al-Farabi (Abunaser)
Abū Kāmil Shujā ibn Aslam
Al-Nayrizi
Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin
Brethren of Purity
Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi
Al-Saghani
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī
Abu-Mahmud al-Khujandi
Abū al-Wafā' al-Būzjānī
Ibn Sahl
Al-Sijzi
Ibn Yunus
Abu Nasr Mansur
Kushyar ibn Labban
Al-Karaji
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen/Alhazen)
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Avicenna
Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi
Al-Nasawi
Al-Jayyani
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel)
Al-Mu'taman ibn Hud
Omar Khayyám
Al-Khazini
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
Al-Ghazali (Algazel)
Al-Samawal
Averroes
Sharaf al-Dīn al-Tūsī
Al-Marrakushi
Ibn al-Banna'
Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi
Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, 13th century Persian mathematician and philosopher
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
Muḥyi al-Dīn al-Maghribī
Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī
Al-Khalili
Ibn al-Shatir
Qāḍī Zāda al-Rūmī
Jamshīd al-Kāshī
Ulugh Beg
Taqi al-Din
Muhammad Baqir Yazdi
Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī (1412-1482), pioneer of symbolic algebra
Lotfi Asker Zadeh, Iranian computer scientist; founder of Fuzzy Mathematics and fuzzy set theory
Cumrun Vafa
Jeffrey Lang Professor at the University of Kansas converted to Islam from atheism

Neuroscientists and Psychologists

Muhammad(saw), discussed mental health
Ibn Sirin (654–728), author of work on dreams and dream interpretation
Al-Kindi (Alkindus), pioneer of psychotherapy and music therapy
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of psychiatry, clinical psychiatry and clinical psychology
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, pioneer of mental health, medical psychology, cognitive psychology, cognitive therapy, psychophysiology and psychosomatic medicine
Najab ud-din Muhammad, pioneer of mental disorder classification
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius), pioneer of social psychology and consciousness studies
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (Haly Abbas), pioneer of neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), pioneer of neurosurgery
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen), founder of experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, pioneer of reaction time
Avicenna (Ibn Sina), pioneer of physiological psychology, neuropsychiatry, thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), pioneer of neurology and neuropharmacology
Averroes, pioneer of Parkinson's disease
Ibn Tufail, pioneer of tabula rasa and nature versus nurture
Teepu Siddique, neurologist and pioneer in neurogenetics and ALS.

Physicians and Surgeons
****Muhammad(saw), discussed contagion and early Islamic medical treatments
Khalid ibn Yazid (Calid)
Jafar al-Sadiq
Shapur ibn Sahl (d. 869), pioneer of pharmacy and pharmacopoeia
Al-Kindi (Alkindus) (801-873), pioneer of pharmacology
Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman) (810-887)
Al-Jahiz, pioneer of natural selection
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari, pioneer of medical encyclopedia
Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi
Ishaq bin Ali al-Rahwi (854–931), pioneer of peer review and medical peer review
Al-Farabi (Alpharabius)
Abul Hasan al-Tabari - physician
Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari - physician
Ibn Al-Jazzar
Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi (d. 994), pioneer of obstetrics and perinatology
Abu Gaafar Amed ibn Ibrahim ibn abi Halid al-Gazzar (10th century), pioneer of dental restoration
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis) - father of modern surgery, and pioneer of neurosurgery, craniotomy, hematology and dental surgery
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen), pioneer of eye surgery, visual system[56] and visual perception
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī
Avicenna (Ibn Sina) (980-1037) - father of modern medicine, founder of Unani medicine, pioneer of experimental medicine, evidence-based medicine, pharmaceutical sciences, clinical pharmacology, aromatherapy, pulsology and sphygmology, and also a philosopher
Ibn Miskawayh
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) - father of experimental surgery, and pioneer of experimental anatomy, experimental physiology, human dissection, autopsy and tracheotomy
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace)
Ibn Tufail (Abubacer)
Averroes
Ibn al-Baitar
Ibn Jazla
Nasir al-Din Tusi
Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288), father of circulatory physiology, pioneer of circulatory anatomy, and founder of Nafisian anatomy, physiology, pulsology and sphygmology
Ibn al-Quff (1233-1305), pioneer of modern embryology
Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī
Ibn Khatima (14th century), pioneer of bacteriology and microbiology
Ibn al-Khatib (1313-1374)
Mansur ibn Ilyas
Saghir Akhtar - pharmacist
Toffy Musivand
Samuel Rahbar
Muhammad B. Yunus, the "father of our modern view of fibromyalgia"
Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, pioneer of biomedical research in space
Hulusi Behçet, known for the discovery of Behçet's disease
Mehmet Öz, cardiothoracic surgeon

Physicists

Muhammad(saw) explained creation of the universe
Jafar al-Sadiq, 8th century
Banū Mūsā (Ben Mousa), 9th century
Ja'far Muhammad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Ahmad ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Al-Hasan ibn Mūsā ibn Shākir
Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firman), 9th century
Thābit ibn Qurra (Thebit), 9th century
Al-Saghani, 10th century
Abū Sahl al-Qūhī (Kuhi), 10th century
Ibn Sahl, 10th century
Ibn Yunus, 10th century
Al-Karaji, 10th century
Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen), 11th century Iraqi scientist, father of optics, pioneer of scientific method and experimental physics, considered the "first scientist"
Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī, 11th century, pioneer of experimental mechanics
Avicenna, 11th century
Al-Khazini, 12th century
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), 12th century
Hibat Allah Abu'l-Barakat al-Baghdaadi (Nathanel), 12th century
Averroes, 12th century Andalusian mathematician, philosopher and medical expert
Al-Jazari, 13th century civil engineer, father of robotics, father of modern engineering
Nasir al-Din Tusi, 13th century
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi, 13th century
Kamāl al-Dīn al-Fārisī, 13th century
Hasan al-Rammah, 13th century
Ibn al-Shatir, 14th century
Taqi al-Din, 16th century
Hezarfen Ahmet Celebi, 17th century
Lagari Hasan Çelebi, 17th century
Sake Dean Mahomet, 18th century
Tipu Sultan, 18th century Indian mechanician
Fazlur Khan, 20th century Bangladeshi mechanician
Mahmoud Hessaby, 20th century Iranian physicist
Ali Javan, 20th century Iranian physicist
Bacharuddin Jusuf Habibie, 20th century Indonesian aerospace engineer and president
Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani nuclear physicist
Abdus Salam, Pakistani physicist-First Ahmadi Muslim to win Nobel Prize in Physics 1979
Abdul Kalam, Indian nuclear physicist
Mehran Kardar, Iranian theoretical physicist
Cumrun Vafa, Iranian mathematical physicist
Nima Arkani-Hamed, American-born Iranian physicist
Abdel Nasser Tawfik, Egyptian-born German Particle Physisist
Munir Nayfeh

Other scientists and inventors

Aziz ul Haque

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Peace Magic Stick

Thank you for your clarification. Have you read the first 10 verses of Surah Rum by the way?

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Re: Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an

the most inane accusation of the thread is that name any arab who was scientist. firstly there are many as Hamza pointed out secondly islam is not confined to arabs, persians, kurds or whatever you believe them to be (with out any sound ref so far) were muslims ,believing in the same religion as arabs.

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I am muslim. thanks.

If you ever seen ultra-sound of a 8 week baby, you would see movement, even some kicking. if thats not life, what is it?

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Re: Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an

Hamza81-

You did not comment, if 7 heavens mean 7 atmospheric layers then how you explain the following

  • God living on the 7th heaven (arsh-e-moalla)
  • Jesus living on 4th heaven
  • Prophet Hazrat Mohammad visiting all 7 heavens during mairaj.

no comments on that.

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^ Take your time.

Happy Birthday DFC(Desi Fly Chick)
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The reference to the fact that God has created seven heavens has generally been given in the Qur’an, in reply to the skepticism shown by the disbelievers regarding the possibility of life after death. The Qur’an, in reply to this skepticism has asked man to ponder over the fact that has not God created him in the first instance? If He created once, then why can’t He create a second time? Is the first creation more difficult or the second one? etc. It is in this context that the Qur’an says that it is not even possible for man to judge the level of omnipotence of God, and as an example it refers to the vastness of His creation. It says that God has not just created one sky -- i.e., one universe, but seven such skies -- or seven universes.

It seems that the huge universe that we live in, the one whose boundaries are not yet known to man, is just one of these heavens (universes) there are seven others, of which we -- with all our scientific developments -- do not know anything about. Certain verses of the Qur’an clearly indicate that the whole huge mass of space around us is just one of these universes.The Qur’an says that we created seven heavens, one over the other (the word "Tibaqa" means one over the other). Another verse which points to this fact is the following:

  • "And He created seven skies (heavens) in two days, and taught each sky its duties. And He adorned the nearest sky (or: the sky of this world) with lamps (stars)…" (Fussilat 41: 12)

The above verse refers to the fact that God has adorned the closest sky with stars. It seems from this that the whole universe that we are familiar with, and that too not yet completely, is the "Sama’ i Dunya" or the closest heaven (or: the heaven of this world).
We know that science has not yet been able to determine the boundaries of even the "Sama’ i Dunya". It is therefore not only improbable but impossible to explain this verse in scientific terms. The reason, as should be quite clear, is the limit of our scientific knowledge.

The people of Sunnah and Jamaa’ah (Ahl al-Sunnah) believe that Allaah is exalted above His creation because of the evidence of the Qur’aan, Sunnah, consensus of the scholars, common sense and man’s innate instinct (fitrah).

(1) The Qur’aan describes the "exaltedness" or "highness" of Allaah in different ways, as His being High and Above, and by describing how things come down from Him, and go up to Him, and by stating that He is above heaven. For example (interpretations of the meaning):

(Highness):
". . .and He is the Most High, the Most Great." [al-Baqarah 2:255]

"Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High." [al-A’la 87:1]

(Above):
"And He is the Irresistible, above His slaves . . ." [al-An’aam 6:18]

"They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded." [al-Nahl 16:50]

(Things coming down from Him):

"He arranges (every) affair from the heavens to the earth . . ." [al-Sajdah 32:5]

"Verily We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’aan). . ." [al-Hijr 15:9]

(Things going up to Him):

". . . To Him ascend (all) the goodly words, and the righteous deeds exalt it . . ." [Faatir 35:10]

"The angels and the Rooh (Jibreel) ascend to Him . . ." [al-Ma’aarij 70:4]

(Allaah is above heaven):

"Do you feel secure that He, Who is over the heaven, will not cause the earth to sink with you . . .?" [al-Mulk 67:16]

(2) The Sunnah: many reports were narrated "mutawaatir" (i.e. with a large number of narrators at every stage of the isnaad, such that it is impossible for them all to have agreed on a lie) from the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him), describing his words and deeds and things of which he approved. For example, he used to say "Subhaana Rabbi al-A’laa (Glory be to my Lord Most High)" in sujood, and in some ahaadeeth he is reported to have said "By Allaah Who is above the Throne."

Among his deeds is the gesture of pointing up with his finger, when addressing the people in the greatest gathering, on the Day of ‘Arafaah during his Farewell Pilgrimage. He asked the people, "Have I not conveyed the message?" and they said, "Yes!" He asked again, "Have I not conveyed the message?" and they said, "yes!". He asked a third time, have I not conveyed the message?" and they said "Yes!" Each time, he said: "O Allaah, bear witness!" - pointing up to the sky and then at the people. He also used to raise his hands towards heaven when he made du’aa’, as it reported in tens of ahaadeeth. This is proof via his actions that Allaah is exalted and high.

An example of an approval of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) which indicates that Allaah is exalted and high is the hadeeth concerning the young slave girl, to whom the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "Where is Allaah?" She said: "In heaven" He asked, "Who am I?" She said, "The Messenger of Allaah." So he said to her master: "Set her free, for she is a believer."

This young girl was uneducated, as many are, and she was a slave, but she knew that her Lord is above heaven. Some misguided people deny that Allaah is above heaven, and say, "He is neither above nor below; neither to the right nor to the left. He is everywhere!"

(3) The consensus of the scholars: the salaf agreed that Allaah is above heaven, as is reported by scholars such as al-Dhahabi, may Allaah have mercy on him, in his book Al-‘Aluw li’l-‘Aliy al-Ghaffaar.

(4) Common sense: highness is a quality which is associated in people’s minds with perfection. If this is the case, then it should be attributed to Allaah because every absolute perfection should be attributed to Him.

(5) The innate instinct of man (fitrah). There should be no dispute that man instinctively knows that Allaah is above heaven. Whenever something overwhelming befalls a person, and he turns to Allaah for help, he looks towards heaven, not in any other direction. But it is strange that those who deny that Allaah is above His creation still raise their hands in supplication to no other direction than towards heaven.

Even Pharaoh, the enemy of Allaah who disputed with Moosaa about his Lord, told his minister Haamaan (interpretation of the meaning): "O Haamaan! Build me a tower that I may arrive at the ways, - the ways of the heavens, and I may look upon the god of Moosaa . . ." [Ghaafir 40:36-37]

He knew in his heart of hearts that Allaah is real, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): "And they belied them (those aayaat) wrongfully and arrogantly, though their own selves were convinced thereof . . ." [al-Naml 27:14]

These are a few of the indications that Allaah is above the heavens; this proof comes from the Qur’aan, the Sunnah, the consensus of the scholars, common sense, man’s own instincts and even the words of the kuffaar.

We as Muslims believe that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) was raised to heaven. According to Hadith, he is on the second heaven. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam=Peace be upon him) mentioned, "During the Meraj (Ascension), I met Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) on the second heaven. I found him of medium stature, reddish white. His body was so clean and clear, that it appeared as though he had just performed ghusal (ablution, cleansing of the entire body) and come." In another Hadith, Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) mentioned to the Jews that, " Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) is not dead, he will most surely return to you before Qiyamat (the Day of Judgement)."

We ask Allaah to guide us towards the Truth.

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^ you did not answer any of my questions.

In the earlier mail you said 7 heavens = 7 layers of atmosphere.

are you going back on that?

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This is what is referring to the seven heavens in the original post:

"The word "heavens", which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe."

Then this is my last post in reply to your question:

"It says that God has not just created one sky -- i.e., one universe, but seven such skies -- or seven universes."

Now are you sure that English is your first language? Because it seems like you have a problem understanding english text! Aswell as basic science! Nothing i mentioned in the articles say's it's a fact! It clearly says it could be referring to one or the other!

My conclusion is summed up in this paragraph in my last post in response to your question:

"We know that science has not yet been able to determine the boundaries of even the "Sama’ i Dunya". It is therefore not only improbable but impossible to explain this verse in scientific terms. The reason, as should be quite clear, is the limit of our scientific knowledge."

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I am copying this from your original post

"14 centuries ago, when the sky was believed to be one unified body, the Qur'an miraculously stated that it consisted of layers, and what is more, "seven" layers. Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers only very recently."

what is this supposed to be?
Keep your answer short this time.

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[quote="Robert, post:3, topic:192249"]

I am copying this from your original post

"14 centuries ago, when the sky was believed to be one unified body, the Qur'an miraculously stated that it consisted of layers, and what is more, "seven" layers. Modern science, on the other hand, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers only very recently."

what is this supposed to be?
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In a tradition from Imam Rida, upon him be peace, he described sevenfold heavens and earths – one encompassing the other.

The highest level is exclusively heaven, and is not an earth of any level whatsoever. Likewise, the lowest level is exclusively earth, and is not a heaven relative to any other level. Now, of the remaining six levels, each is a “heaven” with respect to the levels below it and is an “earth” in respect of those above it. In this way, seven heavens and seven earths can distinctly be spoken of. These seven heavens are spiritual heavens, not material or worldly skies.

The natural world and all that it contains is “under” and encompassed by them. Now of course in this physical world itself, there exists a heaven (or sky) and an earth pertaining to it. This heaven is the very same sky that is seen by the naked eye, and the same one that is decorated by the stars. The Qur’an says of this sky, “Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of the stars.” (37:6)

The spiritual heavens are, on the other hand, otherworldly, and encompass this material world. It is for this reason that the means of arriving at these heavens and returning from them is not a worldly or materialistic means or method. No rocketship can take you to these heavens….”

There are actually 7 layers in the sky above us:

Troposhere,ozonosphire,stratosphere,Mesosphere,Thermosphere,ionosphere,Exosphere.

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I dont think they will ever answer that. and i think i am getting what your point is.
so let me simplify it for them.
the "seven" layers are sort of arbitrary. they are not well defined. in another the number of those layers could be different, depending upon the type of criteria used to separate the "layers". its just like the classification of animals and plants. first there used to be only two Kingdoms; Animals and Plans. now there are five kingdom. the number of species in the world has not changed, nor has any of them changed significantly. its just that something that was previously classified an "plant" might be a "fungi" today.
am i going in the right track, robert?

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^ arbitrary does not mean that anybody can come up with their own classification, without giving us what criteria he used. e.g. above Mr.Hamza81 threw in a new atmosphere layer, which he carelessly calls ozonophire. He just wanted to make it 7 (instead of 6). There is no known classification which seperates ozone layer from others. Why? because much of the ozone is shared by two layers stratosphere & Mesosphere. Now thats a scientific fact as of today. Claiming that science defines 7 layers, is a lie. Using such a lie to promote your faith, will not help your cause.

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Such lack of knowledge of basic concepts of science will not do you any good at all robert! Your clearly in deinial and find it hard to digest the truth even though it is in front of u!Read and learn but don’t be ignorant to the truth!

THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE

One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur’an is that the sky is made up of seven layers:
It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things. (Qur’an, 2:29)

Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur’an, 41:11-12)
The word “heavens,” which appears in many verses in the Qur’an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth’s sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.

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Today, it is known that the world’s atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other. Based on the criteria of chemical contents or air temperature, the definitions made have determined the atmosphere of the earth as seven layers.According to the “Limited Fine Mesh Model (LFMMII),” a model of atmosphere used to estimate weather conditions for 48 hours, the atmosphere is also 7 layers. According to the modern geological definitions the seven layers of atmosphere are as follows:

1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Mesosphere
4. Thermosphere
5. Exosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Magnetosphere

The Qur’an says, “[He] revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate,” in Surah Fussilat . In other words, Allah is stating that He assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, as will be seen in following chapters, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the Earth. Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves to averting the harmful effects of meteors.

The verses below inform us about the appearance of the seven layers of the atmosphere:
Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers? (Qur’an, 71:15)

He Who created the seven heavens in layers… (Qur’an, 67:3)

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The atmosphere only lets rays required for life reach the Earth. For example, ultraviolet rays make it to the world only partially. This is the most appropriate range to allow plants to make photosynthesis and eventually for all living things to survive.
The Arabic word “tibaqan” in these verses, translated into English as “layer” means “layer, the appropriate cover or covering for something,” and thus stresses how the top layer is well suited to the lower. The word is also used in the plural here: “layers.” The sky, described in the verse as being in layers, is without doubt the most perfect expression of the atmosphere. It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.

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