Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

[Farid]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

@Aalsi

Have a look at this link. Before the tragedy of 18th October, Altaf and BB would not talk to each other directly although she praised MQM and was happy to work with them. But now, it seems, they are coming even closer than first anticipated few weeks ago.

Because she is a real politician. In politics, there are NO PERMANENT FRIENDS, NO PERMANENT ENEMIES, only permanent is the Interest.

[Captain1]

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@mercenary2k

well money is the driving force if you want to develop the country

why is india developing faster than pakistan?

Money is driving force but money is not the only thing you need to develop as a country as a society, otherwise Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait should be the top-notch societies.

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because they have a good solid economic base from which they are generating capital
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and this generated money is removing corruption, providing justice, upholding law and order, providing check and balance in gov't decisions etc... right?

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so please tell me, what ideas do you have to develop the society?
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I am not going to provide ideas like develop a housing scheme and subsidise it etc.... The ideas to establish check and balance, accountability, law and order enforcement are already out there, only if there is someone sincere and honest enough to act on them.

[Captain1]

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@Aalsi

Yes. BB and NS will make Pakistan into a land of milk and honey, and give you what you are looking for.

I have told you before and I will tell you again, when elders are talking then don't poke your nose with idiot posts, get out and post in Cafe` where you belong.

[Captain1]

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@WitchDr

Look beyond money matters? But where? Every single faction of the society is connected with its economics.

What I meant is don't just look at "forex reserves" or "GDP growth".

[CM]

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There is a hell of difference between Sharif family and Nehru/Indra Gandhi family. Former nurtured and feed by a dictator, later a very rich family served people and India with their hearts. NS when landed in September 07, there were not a thousand people to greet him. His own people back stabbed him and he was again kicked out to SA. So don't worry people of Pakistan are not that dumb and stupid.

If NS can serve his country like Nehru or Indra Gandhi, he can rule Pakistan for 350 years.

sigh So basically if the person is acceptable to you and if the people elect them then its a democracy. What standards.

Captain the best course of action is to ignore Aalsi. He/she mainly posts to annoy and irritate. Why take his/her comments seriously?

[mercenary2k]

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@ehsan

It has also given it corruption, uncontrolled terrorism by pandering to the lal masjid people in order to further his own position, tried to stifle free media by taking channels off the air, tried to manipulate the judiciary. All these efforts failed becuase the people were in no mood to take nonsense form this dictator. As for economic growth his obsession to hold on to power even at the cost of destroying Pakistan has jeporadised this aspect as well.

Allah help Pakistan with him in power.

Corruption has existed as long as Pakistan has existed and so Musharraf cannot be blamed for this because it has become part of the Pakistani psyche

As for uncontrolled Terrorism. He came to power in 1999, and 9/11 happened, and thus the entire border area with Afghanistan is radicalized.

Lal Masjid is the point I agree with you. He should have acted immediately and taken them out but also some say that he held off the attack for 6 months to avoid bloodshed and end this problem peacefully

Musharraf is the one who created this 80 channels in Pakistan and established a free media. What he tried to do to shut down GEO was wrong but ultimately he was unable to do so. That is not a sign of a dictator when he cannot even shut down a TV Channel.

As for The Chief Justice. That was a blunder. But in reality, Mush wanted an investigation, he did not remove the Chief Justice. People just galvanized around the Chief Justice because they saw him as the anti-musharraf

[Farid]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

@CM

sigh So basically if the person is acceptable to you and if the people elect them then its a democracy. What standards.

That is the universal rule. These are the generally accepted standards by democratic developed and developig countries.

[CM]

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Actually it isn't. Just because you are elected by the people does not make it a democracy. Remember in Pakistan people's votes are actively bought as in the case of the Bhutto legacy.

[system]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

As far as I know, investment that has come into Pakistan has taken the form of safe investments... Investments that dont offer a lot of risk. So I think that will continue, the investment in telecom, banks, real estate... But big investments that provide actual employment are a long way off.

[Subcontinental]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

As far as I know, investment that has come into Pakistan has taken the form of safe investments... Investments that dont offer a lot of risk. So I think that will continue, the investment in telecom, banks, real estate... But big investments that provide actual employment are a long way off.

I am not at liberty to give more information, but do wait until the early months of 2008. You would be more than a little surprised at the kind of investments and tech coming in. :) It is not going to be just in Pakistan, but across SOuth Asia from this one group alone. Hint: The field is high tech agricultural equipment. Isn;t agriculture an industry that employs something like 60% of the population across South Asia?

[Captain1]

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Corruption has existed as long as Pakistan has existed and so Musharraf cannot be blamed for this because it has become part of the Pakistani psyche

Yes corruption has existed even before Pakistan existed, but in this regime it is only becoming official, criminals are acknowledged and made part of the government, future dacoity and destruction of constitution is guaranteed. May be there are examples of such in other parts of world but not in history of this land.

[mercenary2k]

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^^ but is it as bad as it was with nawaz and benazir?

[Captain1]

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^^ but is it as bad as it was with nawaz and benazir?

And how is it anything lesser than in their days?

[teggy]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

I'm no analyst, and i agree with almost all of you in one sense or the other. However, i think the first and foremost thing that has to change is the MENTALITY. People living outside of Pak seem to be more patriotic of the country from the heart, than ppl living there. This is sad. I think the foundation is still there and intact but people (leaders) need to stop taking short cuts and follow procedure and quit amending constitution to their benefit for the time being. Once we have people that truly want to serve the country and cater to the public, all else will fix itself and follow. It's like the murphy's law, one mistake led to another and another, now pakistan's a mountain of misdeeds. it can still be reverted and regain the prime it was founded for, only if we get people moving in the right direction with the true mindset.....
Some things that can help this are: Education, social work, jobs on merit and not reference, and a few other things. Poverty leads to terrorism because people lose hope in the 'right' path and have to seek other ways to scrape the dollar to feed the family. At this point the desperation rules the logic, and that one wrong turn....one mistake....leads to the mess the paki society is in now. Cure the illness from within!
I don't mean to contradict any of you....i just thought i'd toss in my two cents because i feel for the nation too...i hope and pray it can diminish this menace of internal terror. amen!

[mercenary2k]

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And how is it anything lesser than in their days?

its not

but due to a vibrant economy, the corruption can be absorbed and not effect the economy

india has more corruption than pakistan but due to its large economy, its corruption is absorbed

[Captain1]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

its not

but due to a vibrant economy, the corruption can be absorbed and not effect the economy

india has more corruption than pakistan but due to its large economy, its corruption is absorbed

I am not talking about corruption at street level by police, traffic police or civic institutions here. I am talking about corruption at higher levels, forgiving/negotiations with known criminals is a crime not seen before... Mushy is just trying to break/create-new records.

[Farid]

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@CM

Actually it isn't. Just because you are elected by the people does not make it a democracy. Remember in Pakistan people's votes are actively bought as in the case of the Bhutto legacy.

No it was not during ZAB era. People voted him out of shear love for him. Still people can die for him. It was NS who first introduced purchasing of votes, kidnapping all Mps to Changa Manga in a bus. Get your record corrected.

[mercenary2k]

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I am not talking about corruption at street level by police, traffic police or civic institutions here. I am talking about corruption at higher levels, forgiving/negotiations with known criminals is a crime not seen before... Mushy is just trying to break/create-new records.

and which criminals has Musharraf been associated with?

[Captain1]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

@mercenary2k

and which criminals has Musharraf been associated with?

and you follow Pakistan politics???

[system]

Re: Recent violence and Foreign Investment [split from: Pakistan plans all-out war]

I am not at liberty to give more information, but do wait until the early months of 2008. You would be more than a little surprised at the kind of investments and tech coming in. :) It is not going to be just in Pakistan, but across SOuth Asia from this one group alone. Hint: The field is high tech agricultural equipment. Isn;t agriculture an industry that employs something like 60% of the population across South Asia?

You sound confident:) Hope your right!