Reasons to repeal Hudood laws

the ones i found compelling are bolded out.

Ten reasons to repeal the Hudood laws

by Sherry Rehman

For the first time in twenty-five years, the National Assembly has
been heatedly debating the Hudood Ordinances for the last three weeks
on every Private Member’s Day. The five criminal laws remain
stubbornly on the statute books despite the much-repeated promises of
General Pervez Musharraf that they should be done away with. But
while the General ran a virtual ordinance factory during his three-
year tenure as Chief Executive, and even promulgated ordinances after
the NA was elected, he chose not to repeal these laws. Given that the
government has the numbers to do away with the ordinance, which the
two PPP governments did not have during their fragmented tenures, it
has come as a shock to many that now when the Pakistan Peoples Party
Parliamentarians has actually challenged these laws by tabling a bill
that includes their repeal, the government has opposed it on entirely
spurious grounds

The Advisor on Women’s Development, Ms Niloufer Bakhtiyar, opposed
the bill on the floor of the House on March 24th saying that while
she agreed in principle with the contents of the Women’s Empowerment
Act 2004, she could not but oppose it on technical grounds. She
argued that the bill carried too many clauses for the ministry to
deal with. Interesting, because if that were indeed the case, the
bill would have long ago been disallowed on technical grounds and
returned by the Speaker’s chamber to the prime mover. So Ms Bakhtiyar
was either moved by partisan pique that she has not been able to
introduce her own bill, with all the resources of her ministry, or
she was defending the government party’s commitment to the religious
right to not support the repeal of the Hudood Ordinances.

The sad fact is that only a few weeks ago the leader of the PML-Q,
Chaudhry Shujaat, gave such a commitment to the Amir of Jama’at-e
Islami, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, on the floor of the House during the
critical last round of voting on the 17th amendment. The amendment
subsumes all the interventions made by General Musharraf in the
Constitution and empowers him at the cost of the Parliament.
Unsurprisingly, the Mutahidda Majlis-e-Amal members fired the
heaviest salvos against the repeal of Hudood Ordinances. The Alliance
is increasingly relying on a dangerous mix of propaganda and
hagiography, often cast in chaste Arabic, to throw theological red
herrings into the debate. It is important, therefore, in this growing
atmosphere of acrimony and obfuscation, to understand the facts about
the Hudood Ordinances and why they must be repealed.

Is it, as the religious right maintains, a conspiracy of the liberal
classes? Or is it a case of an imperfect justice system needing less
flawed laws that create social injustices? A dispassionate look at
the laws throws up at least ten, if not more, reasons to repeal them.
Let’s consider them.

  1. The disrespected Constitution of Pakistan, even in its tattered
    state still prohibits any laws that discriminate against women and
    minorities.

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2. It would be salutary to remember that General Ziaul Haq introduced
these laws in 1979 without any public or parliamentary debate. There
is consensus now that he misused Islam to legitimise his blatant and
unconstitutional usurpation of power. Therefore, they are entirely
man-made and have no sacral link to the spirit, and in many cases,
even the letter of Islam.
**

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3. More than one National Commission on the Status of Women has
recommended their repeal.** Justice Majida Rizvi has condemned these
laws as repugnant to Islam. Justice Nasir Aslam Zahid has said that
they were drafted in a hurry and were not in conjunction with the
principles of Quran and Sunnah.

  1. The crux of the matter is that the HOs have transformed the
    landscape of tazir punishments as well; most Hudood laws are now
    applied as tazir punishments for zina, for qazf, for prohibition etc.
    **A compelling application in point is the fact that prior to the HOs,
    children under the age of seven, for instance, bore no criminal
    liability. Now they do. **

  2. Despite the fact that Islam forbids discrimination on the basis of
    sex, colour, caste, or creed, this law makes minorities victims of
    double jeopardy, because while their testimony is second rated,
    punishments opposed to their own Shariah [creed] are still applicable
    to them in an arbitrary manner.

**6. Findings reveal that the HOs are the most misused laws to keep
poor, dispossessed women in police lock-ups without access to defense
counsel or speedy justice. A sample survey of Lahore’s Central Jail
shows that from 1980-87, 47 percent of the women imprisoned were
booked under the offence of zina. Data from Karachi Police Station
(South) shows that 80 percent of the cases registered are under this
law. Specifically, the application of the zina or adultery laws has
legally blurred the distinction between rape and extra-marital sex.
This has resulted in the absurd situation of rape victims being
treated as accomplice since they are unable to produce witnesses,
which in turn has invariably led to their imprisonment and physical
punishment. The notion that the Zina Ordinance is not an issue since
90 percent of women get acquitted under it ignores completely the
social realities in any country, particularly the semi-feudal
Pakistan. Clearly, something is drastically wrong with a law under
which 90 percent of the women are kept behind bars unjustifiably.
(One woman was known to be under trial for seven years before she was
released on acquittal). **

  1. These laws encourage honour killings and injuries because they
    allow these crimes to be compoundable offences. Statistics reveal
    that most honour crimes are perpetrated by close kin or family
    members, who are then conveniently forgiven by the heirs of the
    victim. As it stands, only Pakistan and Saudi Arabia accept these
    laws in their totality. All other Muslim countries have rejected or
    amended them in the interests of justice and equality.

**8. These laws discriminate against women as they de-link puberty from
adulthood. In contemporary society a girl can reach puberty at the
age of ten. But at age ten, no girl can tell the difference between
paedophilia and rape, nor should she be allowed or forced to enter
into contracts such as the marriage contract. The HOs also reject the
definition of adulthood as defined under the 1973 Constitution which
puts it at a minimum of eighteen years of age. **

**9. They reduce the testimony of women to half, despite the fact that
most of the recorded Islamic Hadith are based on the sole testimony
of Hazrat Ayesha. If one woman’s testimony is acceptable for the
basis of much sacral law, then why is one woman’s testimony not
acceptable in a case of rape in a women’s hostel, for instance? **

  1. So far hadd has never been executed but it has been awarded. That
    means that these laws have little use except to keep our superior
    courts busy in overturning their sentences. Most jurists and experts
    on law have concluded that the defects in these ordinances are so
    basic that amending these would serve no useful purpose and will
    cause more miscarriages of justice. If the delivery of justice is the
    objective of law, the only option is the total repeal of the Hudood
    Ordinances 1979.

Sherry Rehman is the former Editor of the newsmagazine Herald, and
currently a member of the National Assembly. She is also the prime
mover of the Women’s Empowerment Bill by the PPPP.

Hmm , i am going to go against the grain here, I support an amendment of the hudood ordinance not it's repeal. The reason being, till a few years back i did oppose the laws as a whole, but recently when I looked into it in a bit of depth I realised many of those opposing it simply do not accept any laws based on Islamic injunctions. They don't wish to find ways to prevent abuse, they merely wish to push through a secular agenda. In those circumstances I favour an amendment protecting people from abuse by the laws not an outright repeal.

true, which was why I highlighted the points that struck me as compelling.

if you've studied this subject though, could you tell us what the law does require as far as
- age
- number/gender of witnesses
- claim to rape

furthermore, when were these laws formalised? during the life of the prophet, or afterwards?

your proposed modifications that would eliminate victimisation, what basis do those have?

Hadood laws sound like they came out of someone's ass.

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Hadood laws sound like they came out of someone's ass.
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Have some respect for Islamic laws!

The Offence of Zina (Enforcement Of Hudood) Ordinance, 1979.
Ordinance No. VII of 1979
February 9th, 1979
An Ordinance to bring in conformity with the injunctions of Islam the law relating to the Offence of Zina.

WHEREAS it is necessary to modify the existing law relating to zina so as to bring it in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah;

AND WHEREAS the President is satisfied that circumstances exist which render it necessary to take immediate action;

Now, THEREFORE, in pursuance of the Proclamation of the fifth day of July 1977, read with the Laws (Continuance in Force), Order, 1977 (C.M.L.A. Order No. l of 1977), and in exercise of all powers enabling him in that behalf, the President is pleased to make and promulgate the following Ordinance:-


Chapter I
PRELIMINARY
1. Short title, extent and commencement
(1) This Ordinance may be called the Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance, 1979.

(2) It extends to the whole of Pakistan.

(3) It shall come into force on the twelfth day of Rabi-ul-Awwal, 1399 Hijri, that is, the tenth day of February, 1979.

  1. Definitions
    In this Ordinance, unless there is anything repugnant in the subject of context: (a) "adult" means a person who has attained, being a male, the age of eighteen years or, being a female, the age of sixteen years, or has attained puberty;
    (b) "hadd" means punishment ordained by the Holy Quran or Sunnah;
    (c) "marriage" means marriage which is not void according to the personal law or the parties, and "married" shall be construed accordingly;
    (d) "Muhsan" means (i) a Muslim adult man who is not insane and has had sexual intercourse with a Muslim adult woman who, at the time he had sexual intercourse with her, was married to him and was not insane; or
    (ii) a Muslim adult woman who is not insane and has had sexual intercourse with a Muslim adult man who, at the time she had sexual intercourse with him, was married to her and was not insane;

    and
    (e) "tazir" means any punishment other than "hadd", and all other terms and expressions not defined in this Ordinance shall have the same meaning as the Pakistan Penal Code, or the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1898.

  2. Oridnance to override other Laws.
    The provisions of this Ordinance shall have effect nothwithstanding anything contained in any other law for the time being in force.

  3. Zina
    A man and a woman are said to commit 'Zina' if they wilfully have sexual intercourse without being validly married to each other.
    Explanation: Penetration is sufficient to constitute the sexual intercourse necessary to the offence of Zina.

  4. Zina liable to hadd.
    (1) Zina is zina liable to hadd if- (a) it is committed by a man who is an adult and is not insane with a woman to whom he is not, and does not suspect himself to be married; or
    (b) it is committed by a woman who is an adult and is not insane with a man to whom she is not, and does not suspect herself to be, married.

(2) Whoever is guilty of Zina liable to hadd shall, subject to the provisions of this Ordinance, - (a) if he or she is a muhsan, be stoned to death at a public place; or
(b) if he or she is not muhsan, be punished, at a public place; with whipping numbering one hundred stripes.

(3) No punishment under sub-section (2) shall be executed until it has been confirmed by the Court to which an appeal from the order of conviction lies; and if the punishment be of whipping; until it is confirmed and executed, the convict shall be dealt with in the same manner as if sentenced to simple imprisonment.

  1. Zina bil Jabr (1) A person is said to commit zina-bil-jabrif he or she has sexual inter-course with a woman or man, as the case may be, to whom he or she is not validly married, in any of the following circumstances, namely:- (a) against the will of the victim; (b) without the consent of the victim; (c) with the consent of the victim, when the consent has been obtained by putting the victim in fear of death or of hurt; or (d) with the consent of the victim , when the offender knows that the offender is not validly married to the victim and that the consent is given because the victim believes that the offender is another person to who the victim is or believes herself or himself to be validly married.

Explanation: Penetration is sufficient to constitute the sexual inter-course necessary to the offence of zina-bil-jabr.

(2) Zina-bil-jabr is zina-bil-jabr liable to hadd if it is committed in the committed in the circumstances specified in sub-section (1) of section 5.

(3) Whoever is guilty of zina-bil-jabr liable to hadd shall subject to the provisions of this Ordinance, - (a) if he or she is a muhsan, be stoned to death at a public place; or
(b) if he or she is not muhsan, be punished with whipping numbering one hundred stripes, at a public place, and with such other punishment, including the sentence of death, as the Court may deem fit having regard to the circumstances of the case.

(4) No punishment under sub-section (3) shall be executed until it has been confirmed by the Court to which an appeal from the order of conviction lies; and if the punishment be of whipping until it is comfirmed and executed, the convict shal be dealt with in the same manner as if sentenced to simple imprisonment.

  1. Punishment for Zina or zina-bil-jabr where convit is not an adult.
    A person guilty of zina or zina-bil-jabr shall, if he is not an adult, be punished wiht imprisonment of either description for a term whic may extend to five years, or with fine, or with both, and may also be awarded the punishment of whipping not exceeding thirty stripes:
    Provided that, in the case of zina-bil-jabr, if the offender is not under the age of fifteen years, the punishment of whipping shall be awarded with or without any other punishment.

  2. Proof of zina or zina-bil-jabr liable to hadd.
    Proof of zina-bil-jabr liable to hadd shall be in one of the following forms, namely:- (a) the accused makes before a Court of competent jurisdiction a confession of the commission of the offence; or
    (b) at least four Muslim adult male witnesses, about whom the Court is satisfied, having regard to the requirements of tazkiyah al-shuhood, that they are truthful persons and abstain from major sins (kabair), give evidence as eye-widnesses of the act of penetration necessary to the offence:
    Provided that, if the accused is a non-Muslim, the eye-witnesses may be non-Muslims.

  3. Case in which hadd shall not be enforced
    (1) In a case in which the offence of zina or zina-bil-jabr is proved only by the confession of the convict, hadd, or such part of it as is yet to be enforced, shall not be enforced if the convict retracts his confession before the hadd or such part is enforced.

(2) In a case in which the offence of zina or zina-bil-jabr is proved only by testimony, hadd or such part of it as is yet to be enforced, shall not be enforced if any witness resiles from his testimony before hadd or such part is enforced, so as to reduce the number of eye-witnesses to less than four.

(3) In the case mentioned in sub-section (1), the Court may order retrial.

(4) In the case mentioned in sub-section (2), the Court may award tazir on the basis of the evidence on record.

  1. Zina or zina-bil-jabr liable to tazir. (1) Subject to the provisions of section 7, whoever commits zina or zina-bil-jabr which is not liable to hadd, or for which proof in either of the forms mentioned in section 8 is not available and the punishment of qazf liable to hadd has not been awarded to the complainant, or for which hadd may not be enforced under this Ordinance, shall be liable to tazir.

(2) Whoever commits zina liable to tazir shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment for a term which [Click here for amendment]may extend to ten years and with whipping numbering thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine.

(3) Whoever commits zina-bil-jabr liable to tazir shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which [Click here for amendment]shall not be less than four years nor more than twenty-five years and shall also be awarded the punishment of whipping numbering thirty stripes.

(4) When zina-bil-jabr liable to tazir is committed by two or more persons in furtherance of common intention of all each of such persons shall be punished with death.

  1. Kidnapping, abducitng or inducing women to compel for marriage etc.
    Whoever kidnaps or abducts any woman with intent that she may be compelled, or knowing it to be likely that she will be compelled, to marry any person against her will, or in order that she may be forced or seduced to illicit inter-course, or knowing it to be likely that she will be forced or seduced to illicit inter-course, shall be punished with imprisonment for life and with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine; and whoever by means of criminal intimidation as defined in the Pakistan Penal Code, or of abuse of authority or any other method of compulsion, induces any woman to go from any place with intent that she may be, or knowing that it is likely that she will be, forced or seduced to illicit inter-course with another person shall also be punishable as aforesaid.

  2. Kidnapping or abducting in order to subject person to unnatural lust.
    Whoever kidnaps or abducts any person in order that such person may be subjected, or may be so disposed of as to be put in danger of being subjected, to the unnatural list of any person, or knowing it to be likely that such person will be so subjected or disposed of, shall be punished with death or rigorous imprisonment for a term which may extend to twenty-five years, and shall also be liable to fine, and, if the punishment be one of imprisonment, shal also be awarded the punishment of whipping not exceeding thirty stripes.

  3. Selling person for purposes of prostitution, etc.
    Whoever sells, lets to hire, or otherwise disposes of any person with intent that such person shall at any time by employed or used for the purpose of prostitution or illicit intercourse with any person or for any unlawful and immoral purpose, or knowing it to be likely that such person will at any time be employed or used for any such purpose, shall be punished with imprisonment for life and with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine.
    Explanations: (a) When a female is sold, let for hire, or otherwise disposed of to a prostitute or to any person who keeps or manages a brothel, the person so disposing of such female shall, until the contrary is proved, be presumed to have disposed of her with the intent that she shall be used for the purpose of prostitution.
    (b) For the purposes of this section and section 14 "illicit intercourse" means sexual inter-course between persons not united by marriage.

  4. Buying a person for purposes of prostitution, etc.
    Whoever buys, hires or otherwise obtains possession of any person with intent that such person shall at any time be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution or illicit intercourse with any person or for any unlawful and immoral purpose, or knowing it to be likely that such person will at any time be employed or used for any such purpose, shall be punished with imprisonment for life and with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine.
    Explanation: Any prostitute or any person keeping or managing a brothel, who buys, hires or otherwise obtains posession of a female shall, until the contrary is proved, be presumed to have obtained possession of such female with the intent that she shall be used for the purpose of prostitution.

  5. Cohabitation caused by a man deceitfully inducing a belief of lawful marriage
    Every man who by deceit causes any woman who is not lawfully married to him to believe that she is lawfully married to him and to cohabit with him in that belief, shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment for a term which may extend to twenty-five years and with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine.

  6. Enticing or taking away or detaining with criminal intent a woman
    Whoever takes or entices away any woman with intent that she may have illicit inter-course with any person, or conceals or detains with intent any woman, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to seven years and with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, and shall also be liable to fine.

  7. Mode of execution of punishment of stoning to death
    The punishment of stoning to death awarded under section 5 or section 6 shall be executed in the following manner, namely :-
    Such of the witnesses who deposed against the convict as may be available shall start stoning him and, while stoning is being carried on, he may be shot dead, whereupon stoning and shooting shall be stopped.

  8. Punishment for attempting to commit an offence
    Whoever attempts to commit an offence punishable under this Ordinance with imprisonment or whipping, or to cause such an offence to be committed, and in such atttempt does any act towards the commission of the offence, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one-half of the longest term provided for that offence, or with whipping not exceeding thirty stripes, or with such fine as is provided for the offence, or with any two of, or all, the punishments.

  9. Application of certain provisions of Pakistan Penal Code, and amendment.
    (1) Unless otherwise expressly provided in this Ordinance, the provisions of sections 34 to 38 of Chapter II, sections 63 to 72 of Chapter III and Chapters V and VA or the Pakistan Penal Code shall apply, mutatis mutandis, in respect of offences under this Ordinance.

(2) Whoever is guilty of the abetment of an offence liable to hadd under this Ordinance shall be liable to the punishment provided for such offence as tazir.

(3) In the Pakistan Penal Code, - (a) section 366, section 372, section 373, section 375 and section 376 of Chapter XVI and section 493, section 497 of Chapter XX shall stand repealed; and
(b) in section 367, the words and comma "or to the unnatural lust of any person," shall be omitted.

  1. Application of Code of Criminal Procedure 1898 and amendment (1) The provisions of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1898, hereafter in this section referred to as the Code, shall apply, mutatis mutandis in respect of cases under this Ordinance: Provided that, if it appears in evidence that the offender has committed a different offence under any other law, he may, if the Court is competent to try that offence and award punishment therefor, be convicted and punished for that offence[Click here for amendment]. : Provided further that an offence punishable under this Ordinance shall be triable by a Court of Session and not by a Magistrate authorised under section 30 of the said Code and an appeal from an order the Court of Session shall lie to the Federal Shariat Court: Provided further that a trial by a Court of Session under this Ordinance shall ordinarily be held at the headquarters of the Tehsil in which the offence is alleged to have been committed.

(2) The provision of the Code relating to the confirmation of the sentence of death shall apply, mutatis mutandis, to confirmation of sentences under this Ordinance.

(3) The provisions of section 198, section 199, section 199A or section 199B of the Code shall not apply to the cognizance of an offence punishable under section 15 or section 16 of this Ordinance.

(4) The provision of sub-section (3) of section 391 or section 393 of the Code shall not apploy in respece of the punishment of whipping awarded under this Ordinance.

(5) The provisions of Chapter XXIX of the Code shall not apply in respect of punishments awarded under section 5 or section 6 of this Ordinance.

(6) In the Code, section 561 shall stand repealed.

  1. Presiding Officer of Court to be Muslim.
    The Presiding Officer of the Court by which a case is tried, or an appeal is heard, under this Ordinance shall be a Muslim:
    Provided that, if the accused is a non-Muslim, the Presiding Officer may be a non-Muslim.

  2. Saving
    Nothing in this Ordinance shall be deemed to apply to the cases pending before any Court immediately before the commencement of this Ordinance, or to offences committed before such commencement.

Hudood laws should remain, but they should not be imposed in their current state...

If my memory serves me correct, there have been many horror stories regarding women in rape cases where the burden of proof lay upon the woman and she was the one charged with enticing the man...

Tune the Hudood laws to the Shariah, which lays utmost importance on innocent until guilty, and work on from there...Until now the law in our land has been guilty until proven innocent...

Exactly :k:

What needs to be done is to question whether the Hudood Laws are islamically correct, or whether they are a corruption of Islamic ideas drafted for government legitimacy.

The government should strive to amend the Hudood laws to bring them into line with Islam, not repeal them altogether

Exactly!

how about forming a committee of internationally acclaimed lawmakers, muftis, local legal experts and so on and do thorough research on this and take views from the public and then decide whether the laws should be repealed, revised, ammended or totally renewed.

Hudood laws, like sharia are evil. Ban them.

^ hahaha

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*Originally posted by Haris Zuberi: *
^ hahaha
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What are you laughing at Haris? This postulate is #16 and comes straight from the textbook of The Right Wing Baptist Evangelical School for Wanna-be Americans...The course is titled "Islam is evil: How to denounce everything Islamic without reason".

It's a 3 credit hour course and those that pass with good grades get an internship as TP holders...

:D

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Hudood laws, like sharia are evil. Ban them.
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r u confusing sharia with sharon???? :p

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Hudood laws, like sharia are evil. Ban them.
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Imdad Ali, like Madhanee, is evil. Ban them.

Granbdgando...only 14 posts and you want us banned?

The main problems, I guess, will be finding members of the ulema who are willing to participate in dialogue over the Hudood Ordnance, and risk being condemned during that time by their compatriots for undermining Islam.

pakistan has a number of open-minded ulema....
prof khurshid ahmad, prof anis ahmad and mufti taqi usmani r a few....
why r they not asked to comment/review????

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Originally posted by armughal: *
pakistan has a number of open-minded ulema....
**prof khurshid ahmad
*, prof anis ahmad and mufti taqi usmani r a few....
why r they not asked to comment/review????
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I'm not sure about the latter two, but Khurshid Ahmad is a leading member of the Jamaat-i-Islam which seems to be opposing any changes whatsoever to the Hudood Ordances.