How did extremist groups such as the, now banned, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has it explicitly spelled out in its agenda that its aim is the extermination of certain religious minorities, evolve? Why were they allowed to begin and grow by our government in the first place?
There was a program on TV yesterday where a policeman was saying that there are criminals who admit to multiple murders current languishing in Pakistani jails, awaiting to be realeased when the government changes, who proudly admit that they’ve committed several murders of people belonging to certain religious sects and once they are set free they plan to commit more murders so that they can ‘attain heaven’. These people believe they are right. They have been deeply indoctrinated with dangerous beliefs.
Why did our government let this happen? Till now, why have people been allowed to preach religious extremism and intolerance in the country?
Although the government and all educated sectors of the country realise that religious extremism and sectarian intolerance is wrong, why have such phenomena been allowed to propagate in the country?
No matter who the hidden powers in the background are, the people who’ve been committing suicide bombings in Pakistan are Pakistanis. Groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi have many Pakistani members.
Did the government foresee any kind of gain at all by allowing the existence of these groups?
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Religious extremism and intolerance was actively encouraged by the Pakistani authorities ( Read Zia ) with the active encouragement of Americans to counter Russians in Afghanistan . This led to Taliban .
Pakistan sought to control Afghanistan and counter Northern Alliance ( which was pro-India) via Taliban , for this reason Pakistani authorities encouraged Pakistanis to consider Taliban as heros until Unkil Sam cracked its whip .
Religious Extremism was also encouraged to whip up Kashmiri movement and recruit “Jehadis” for same . Read this for more on this .
The article first appeared in The Friday Times , a Pakistani weekly .
umm, my mind isn't really working right now but let me say (others can correct me) that Lashkaray Jhangvi rose to the scene frm the area of Jhang (ya, its apparent) BUT as a reaction to alleged monoply of Shia landlords of that area ( Abida Hussain for one)...I believe it capitalised on people's religious beliefs while the underlying causes of their grievances might have been different from that...this was formed by Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi and I believe was a break away group of SSP and is more militant in nature...
I guess Sipahe Mohammad was also split during those years...but I am not sure whether Lashkaray Taiba was formed in reaction to Lashkaray Jhangvi..
Re: Reasons behind the evolution of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and similar extremist groups?
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*Originally posted by irem: *
How did extremist groups such as the, now banned, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has it explicitly spelled out in its agenda that its aim is the extermination of certain religious minorities, evolve? Why were they allowed to begin and grow by our government in the first place?
There was a program on TV yesterday where a policeman was saying that there are criminals who admit to multiple murders current languishing in Pakistani jails, awaiting to be realeased when the government changes, who proudly admit that they've committed several murders of people belonging to certain religious sects and once they are set free they plan to commit more murders so that they can 'attain heaven'. These people believe they are right. They have been deeply indoctrinated with dangerous beliefs.
Why did our government let this happen? Till now, why have people been allowed to preach religious extremism and intolerance in the country?
Although the government and all educated sectors of the country realise that religious extremism and sectarian intolerance is wrong, why have such phenomena been allowed to propagate in the country?
No matter who the hidden powers in the background are, the people who've been committing suicide bombings in Pakistan are Pakistanis. Groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi have many Pakistani members.
Did the government foresee any kind of gain at all by allowing the existence of these groups?
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In the 1980's Iran was interfering in Pak.Just like they tried to
interfere in KSA. And Pak Govt curtailed their influence by forming
few tanzeems.
It was a very serious problem back then. Karachi was under curfew
many a times.
It all comes down to this. Don't curse anybody' s religion.
Be It hindu, muslim or any other religion.
hi Irem,
well, i havent read the posts above in detail so am not sure if anyone has said the following already;
i think extremism wasnt exactly what our govt had in mind during the 80s when they along with the army, ISI helped nurture the spirit of Jihad among the population of pakistan against the "unholy" "infidel" oppressors, the Russians, who were moving into the land of their brethren in Afghanistan. The US, as always took full advanateg of the situation and helped the Pak govt with money, arms and all sorts of aid so that the govt here locally would encourage ppl to go fight the russians. that gave the US the kicks. they were involved in a deadly cold war with the russians so couldnt send their troops in, yet they wanted someone to fight it out, the target happened to be the religously inclined population of our illiterate poor country. muslims have always held high regard for Jihad and its true, Jihad and martyrdom are top muslim phenomenons and the pakistani muslims had always felt for their ppl in kashmir and palestine who were being butchered by nonmuslims. so they grabbed at the opportunity to fight out non muslims; mdressahs began sending their students to military training under the army-CIA sponsored camps. that was when numerous such organizations evolved and stood up and spread the message of ihad against the enemies of Islam a.k.a Terrorism! at that time they were good ppl, as the media lead by the US saids hey were good ppl fighting for good cause. one mans freedom fighter is another mans traitor. when the russian war eended, these ppl suddenly found themselves unemplyed. no more US aid, no more ggovt backing, no more Gen Zia, and suddenly the Russian pres Gorbachev and Bush Sr. shook hands to end the cold war. Now these ppl were orphans. they turned their energies towards the kashmir struggle. the Army had no problem with it and used the thousands of traoined civilian guerilla warriors in kashmir. at that time the political scenarios changed rapidly. Pak wasnt needed by the US and the americans began to favor india all of a sudden. so now those same CIA sponsored freedom fighters were being called terrorists...then emerged one name above all such petty warroirs; Osama Bin Laden. his name surfaced during thee early 90s Us bombings in Oklahoma etc. this man was no uneducated, unemployed fool that the amercans had used and disposed as per their will. he wasnt letting that happen. he was a rich saudi tycoon. a civil engineer by profession and had joined hands with the jihadis in the afghan war at firts by financial aid and then had joined the struggle with a gun in hand. he was trained and nurtured by the CIA directly. they used his influence and charisma and was imp to them. now after the russian war, Osama mustv erealized he and millions of other jihadis from all over the world were being disposed off, so he turned his guns against the US, who he had now realized to be the real BIG enemy in the long run. hence began the terror attacks in KSA, USA and all over the world...and that hasnt ended still.
the only problem is that i often get the feeling Alqaeda isnt as big as the US say it is. yes they can bomb and shoot here and there and terrorize ppl but the WTC attacks...? i dont know! there has to be some high conspiracy. the other problem that totally went wrong with the employment of millions of jihadis from all over the world by Osama, alqaeda or many oother organiztions in one direction i.e. against the US was that now they had taken their war to the cities and streets killing innocent ppl. thats where it all goes wrong and muslims refuse to accept them and their struggles for Islam and their ppl. Jihad does not teach warriors to fight and kill the innocent, unarmed civilians.
so i think all the lashkare Jhgangvi, SipahSahaba etc, all banned today, were held in high regard until a decade ago, but since they have all joined up together and have combined efforts with the central command which seems to be OBL, there guns are just firing in the wrong confused directions. and the new breed of recruits who most often come from 3rd world hungry naked countries, are illiterate ppl and are just plain extremists! they have little knowledge of religion and the teaching about jihad. so it has all tunred into one dirty mess. and the enemies, the US, Israel etc are taking full advantage of this.
phew! hope thaat made sense!:D
Re: Re: Reasons behind the evolution of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and similar extremist groups?
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
In the 1980's Iran was interfering in Pak.Just like they tried to
interfere in KSA. And Pak Govt curtailed their influence by forming
few tanzeems.
It was a very serious problem back then. Karachi was under curfew
many a times.
It all comes down to this. Don't curse anybody' s religion.
Be It hindu, muslim or any other religion.
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Rehman true but still I would say that its a bit over-simplistic analysis. Iran no doubt was transformed into a theocracy and somehow they started feeling this solidarity with the Pakistani shias; however in Pakistan at that time, Zia introduced the Islamisation program under which scores of new laws were promulgated. There was one regarding the payment of zakat and ushar. I believe it was at this moment in history that Shia's started to organize in Pakistan. Though their new found zeal also owed to the new Shiite regime in Iran ...
But then yeah, who are we to decide who is a better Muslim :--)
With just skim reading to above posts ..here is my response...
** REasons of existance **
Organistaions like these stem from the feeling that "we are abused " ..same happened to sunnis in jhang some 15 years back when abida and comany who ruled jhang tryed to impose thier belives over sunni middle/ lower class .....this led Moulana jhangvi to form sipah e shaba ....sipah e sahbah started debating shia ulema and trying to frcefully stop any act by shia zaminadars to overcome sunni majority ....some sunni lower class youth when saw assinations of four of the top sipah leaders by shia majority( sipahe muhammad -ISo- mukhtar force organisation which most ppl forget while naming terrorist organistaions ) they decided to take law in thiere own hands thus producing anarchy ....
*SOLOUTION *
Stop tabbrra openly ..stop making sunni s hosatge in thier homes in muharram ....
Acts like laskhar -how wrong the r - will not stop until we stop hatred /abuse of shabah from shia majalis ...openly ...
this is the shortest reply i could post ......will be back in some 10 days inshallah ..if the thread remians by then