Are there rules of reasoning, if yes where do they come from. It seems to be a thing beyond inheritance, if not why two identical twins would disagree, when that have same brought up, same genetic makeup , and even same placenta. Do you believe that human brain is “tabula rasa” at the time of birth.
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reasoning ability is experiential, Intelliphant.
when a baby is born, the bay eventually begins putting things in the mouth to explore her /his environment.
and that kind of contact and discovery of objects with guidance and protection of the care giver or parent/s, the child is led to form a sense of extension beyond self.
as needs develop beyond food and comfort, the child understand self as distinct from the rest of the environment.
begins to sit on own back, crawls, reaches out, holds rolls, stands, takes steps and begins to walk with support and eventually without support at all.
the child knows and familiarizes own self with own things - familiar and liked own things.
reflexes as well as preferences get meshed together to define what a particular child likes or dislikes.
how a parents or rest of the environment appeals or not appeal to the child, the child devises a general sense of what is to be accepted and what is t be avoided, even distanced away, in case the child does not want a particular something.
and later on, through constant interaction with the environment, objects in it, and with other people, same age or older, the child evolves into an actively thinking and feeling personality.
the concept of tabula rasa is not altogether off. but blank state blanks from what!? is not answered in theory by its proponent.
bad or good stimulating environment can make an intelligent child dull and frustrated too.
and can turn that child into actively engaged and inventive as well.
studies done on animal species will indicate the same.
as soon as a bird is hatched, it follow the parents for food and stays in nest and eventually through imitation of learnt behavior and own independent life experiences, the bird leaves the nest and begins to explore and survive in the habitat on own self.
so, the argument, to me, is going to have the bearing towards the content of reasoning getting shaped by the experiential knowledge since fore knowledge is not totally there, beyond reflex actions,
and anatomically, physiologically and biochemically, a healthy child will have its brain structures in place that will enable full to capacity use of reasoning ability.
in human species the stakes are higher since morality and ethics, ability to speak, are present a lot more vividly.
the balancing of core genes with how they best suit the environment and its countless harms, relies on the reasoning that the humans develop as time goes in and learning takes shape.
best,
Dushwari
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before I say further, what does tabula rasa mean?
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latin for blank slate.
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latin for blank slate.
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I agree with Dushwari that reasoning ability is experiential. But some of it comes from your genetic footprint I think.
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genetic foor print does exist. but it is not fixed that its effects cant be molded.
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genetic foor print does exist. but it is not fixed that its effects cant be molded.
we learn by way of our experiences, however its not the only thing that formulates our "reasoning".
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intelliphant, the life expereinces the marks that they leave on a person, and how open one is to change, and how able one is to change, has great impact.
yes, it is true that when someone is unfortunately born with physical deformities or MR, then the chances of even educating and favorable environ making a difference is hard.
what i am emphasizing is this idea, that people are limited in what they can do, when they really are not limited, but they would simply like to be limited to their comfort zone for all they ever knew was just that.
that is not going to lead to any positive experience. in fact, that is self limiting.
people who justify no change, by beng either self pitying or by being scared and fixed to their learnt behaviors, are simply devoid of so much that they miss on.
again, no one can call upon them to change per force. that zeal has to come from within.
best,
Dushwari
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intelliphant, the life expereinces the marks that they leave on a person, and how open one is to change, and how able one is to change, has great impact.Exactly, Dushwari, we all go through this process, we are all left with marks, we are all open, willingly or unwillingly, to changes, and there is no question that changes mold us in any given way. We all reach at certain conviction, yet two human may not reach at the same conviction even though they had same experiences, and same brought up. There are two ways of looking at the same experience, there may be positive things in both the ways, however they yield different results and they apply different approach. Reasoning is our approach; our rationale is based on our approach, and our proposition. And the impact you talked about would be different if recipe is different.
“yes, it is true that when someone is unfortunately born with physical deformities or MR, then the chances of even educating and favorable environ making a difference is hard”
Here again, two people with the same physical deformities would take life differently, a subjective analysis of deformity is likely to bring about different results that objective appreciation of the same condition. What I asked is that why one of them would opt to think subjectively and other may not?
One should be open to change, its not a question of why and how, it’s a question of “what”. What makes one person ready to embrace the change and one to abhor it. Where does that zeal come from that you so rightly talked about?
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honestly, it is a question of how, not necessarily what? but why.
those who have a sense of being able to change, and do all they can to improve themselves and their lives, will not sit squatted or stand fixed thinking they are destined to remain unchanged.
again, no one can or ought to force people to be. this zeal what i spoke of and referred to is an outcome of the same rationality that you hinted upon.
a self awareness, a manner of carving out the good by shaping the bad.
best,
Dushwari
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Are there rules of reasoning, if yes where do they come from. It seems to be a thing beyond inheritance, if not why two identical twins would disagree, when that have same brought up, same genetic makeup , and even same placenta. Do you believe that human brain is “tabula rasa” at the time of birth.
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I take it you have done programming before. One of the most fundamental concepts of programming is to declare your objects and variables. This is basically naming things ... By naming things the functions between them can be made meaningful.
The first basic concept of reasoning is the abilty to name things ... You will find ..
1) Babies learn nouns first
2) In Islam Adam (AS) was taught the names of things
Interesting huh?
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wherever it is, ppl need to find it and use it, asap
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** P*syah, all that you have said makes a lot of sense, before what **Dushwar*i said is absolutely true. Human being learn and retain the concepts in either generalize or in a very specific way. Language merely plays a role of the facilitator so that concepts can be identified and understood in a more meaningful way for the society rather than for an individual alone. For example you said babies learn nouns first. Probably the first noun babies learn is “mama”, mama is not a word but an identification for one who is most caring, loving and amorous to the baby. With that word a soft link to the “motherly gesture” is also created. This link paves the way to develop the ability of “reasoning”.
There are number of ways human being can learn, we can learn by way of reading, we can observe the impact of incidents on fellow human being, and we can go thorough an incident ourselves, every approach into the path of knowledge leaves a mark on our personality, and gets a place in our anamnesis. The emotional strength of any particular incidents dictates as to where it should be placed in our retrospection, generally incidents resulting into happiness are dumped far below in our consciousness than the incidents that leave us gloomy.
** Reasoning is “neural”, semi intellectual engine that reference through the data bank of knowledge to reach at a certain belief**. Generally the process skips through the legend and caption of the incidents; a general sense is extracted and mixed with individual’s own bias gets the result in the form of conviction. So in essence reasoning is an ability that can be congenital and acquired at the same time.
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wherever it is, ppl need to find it and use it, asap
I am not sure it can be found, it can be developed though and ,that too, not without an effort.
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Reasoning is the way human mind works. Mind works on experimental data. Mind is not like just a "tebula raza". Mind is an effective machine that can do very complicated works on the "raw materials" of experimental or "sensory" data.
"Knowledge" is the final product. Raw material is the "sensory data". And this "sensory data" cannot be converted to "knowledge" without the involvement of a proper mechine which is "human mind"!
And how this machine works? In simple form, it works by making analogies and simple generalizations. In complicated form, it becomes deductive, mathematical, grammatical as well as poetically and musically balanced.
Re: Reasoning, where does it come from
Reasoning is the way human mind works. Mind works on experimental data. Mind is not like just a "tebula raza". Mind is an effective machine that can do very complicated works on the "raw materials" of experimental or "sensory" data.
"Knowledge" is the final product. Raw material is the "sensory data". And this "sensory data" cannot be converted to "knowledge" without the involvement of a proper mechine which is "human mind"!
And how this machine works? In simple form, it works by making analogies and simple generalizations. In complicated form, it becomes deductive, mathematical, grammatical as well as poetically and musically balanced.
very true, thanks for your input iceburg.