Okay, I know that the Quran claims gay/lesbian relationships to be a no-no.
I don’t personally disagree with this ruling.
However, my roommate and I have been engaged in a discussion this night (and dammit its 3 in the morning), so we want to wrap this up so we can actually make it to class tomorrow morning without falling dead,
I’d like to ask you guys on the topic, because I figure its easy to throw this headache on your shoulders…
Okay so our argument goes like this:
Roomie’s question:
Premise 1: Gay/lesbian relationships are victimless.
Premise 2: Any act that causes people to be victimized, should be outlawed.
Conclusion: Homosexuality should not be outlawed.
Definition of victim: someone hurt against their will.
My explanation:
Premise 1: Homosexuality is an unhealthy practice.
Premise 2: Homosexuality is unnatural.
Conclusion 3: Any act that is sexually unnatural and unhealthy is to be outlawed.
my definition of unnatural: Since, mechanically, two male bodies don’t “fit” together and two female bodies don’t “fit” together, but a male and a female’s does and this union produces child whereas the first two instances do not…homosexuality is “unnatural” and heterosexuality is “natural”.
My definition of unhealthy: unhealthy in a mental and physical sense. And no, I don’t think that homosexuality is the primary reason for the spread of AIDS or anything like that. I think its unhealthy because your body is conflicting with your mind, because your body wants to have sex with the opposite-sex, and your mind is asking it to do otherwise - creating an uneasy tension, and your spirit is not at rest. Unhealthy in the mental sense also that it causes social problems, because people do not want to accept you and your family is shocked at it, and you come to realize that you cannot produce children from such a union, so you think ‘either its this gay lifestyle or I marry a woman and have kids’, etc.
Unhealthy in a physical sense: since you’re putting a part of your body where it does not belong, you are creating the possibility of physically hurting yourself (I hope I don’t need to feed your imaginations here).
Her response to my above argument: She agrees that the body-mind is in conflict in such a union, yet she says “your body also wants candy, and that isn’t healthy for it either”. Are you going to outlaw chocolate? And also, if this is the reasoning ag/homosexuality, that its “unnatural”, then why is oral sex allowed…the mouth was not made to hold a man’s sexual organ.
2ndly, in terms of social problems…she public opinion doesn’t dictate wrong/right. People thought slavery was right, but now its agreed that
slavery is wrong.
About the realization that you can’t have kids in homosexual union, what about a heterosexual infertile couple. Also, infertile folks are allowed to get married, when they wont be having kids.
If two people have a bond, and they want to spend the rest of their lives together, who is the law to say that they can’t, if no one is getting hurt by it, regardless of how it makes people feel uncomfortable?
She also says that she doesn’t understand how any law should dictate how to deal with sexually unnatural and victimless actions.
People have the right to say how they feel about something, and I’m not discussing what your personal opinions are on it, but I’m questioning the govt’s authority to act against a homosexual couple.
Okay guys, please do not respond with “well, its in the quran, and if that’s what it says, then that’s what you do”, cuz she’s not a muslim, and she wants to know the RATIONAL reason behind the ruling that homosexuality is morally wrong. I’ve thrown reasons at her, like the unnatural thing and unhealthy things, and dudes, she’s not buying it. Maybe my definition of “unhealthy” and “unnatural” is too vague. If you guys find statistics or something, please put those forth. Any other rational reasoning is welcome.