Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
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Whats with the "pro yazidi" crap?
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Pro yazid is for those who still believe Yazid was a good person. Those who still trying to safe yazid and his ideology even after Karable there are many so-called Muslims think that Yazid was innocent.
Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
Ripper, of course you are responsible for your actions... even if it means that you may live in the imaginery fantasy as long as you live. Haan jee es ghorey par Imam Hussain saab bethey hain.... pretty much align your self with carrying of the cross, etc.
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Because thats common sense.
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How? Common sense is to be sad the whole year and not just few days out of Moharram... since you guys love them so much, might as well earn extra rewards by being sad and matamizing your self the whole year. Common sense is no where to be seen during the matam days so don't even mention it.
Anyway, since we are drifting away from the topic of this thread, I will leave you at your own doing... but think for once that would the practices and **rituals **of **matam **be approved by the Prophet, Hazrat Hassan and Hussain?
Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
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Anyway, since we are drifting away from the topic of this thread, I will leave you at your own doing... but think for once that would the practices and **rituals **of **matam **be approved by the Prophet, Hazrat Hassan and Hussain?
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Sir, without any approval we won’t do nothing. We have many hadeez directly straight from Prophet Muhammad e Mustafa however I know Hadeez from shia resources is not acceptable to you guys even though it is directly from
Prophet Muhammad then Ali e Murtaza then Bibi Fatima Zehra.
Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
Yeh and sunnis can live with their fantasy of Imam Mehdi a.s. poping out of nowhere and guiding you.
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How? Common sense is to be sad the whole year and not just few days out of Moharram... since you guys love them so much, might as well earn extra rewards by being sad and matamizing your self the whole year. Common sense is no where to be seen during the matam days so don't even mention it.
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Common sense dictates to appoint a 'period' for the remembrance of Karbala specifically and what better period than the month itself which marks the martyrdoom of the Imam?
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Anyway, since we are drifting away from the topic of this thread, I will leave you at your own doing... but think for once that would the practices and **rituals **of **matam **be approved by the Prophet, Hazrat Hassan and Hussain?
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The Prophet(saw) had no problem when hz Awais 'intentionally' broke his teeth. I am sure he(saw) wont have any problem with our matam as well.
Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
guys, come on, you are above this aren't you?
I mean we are educated people with decent upbringing right?
would it be so hard to be civilized?
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i think everyone here can be civilized, its just that we have to try and understand the others opinion.
but few bad apples are causing most of the drama.
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He won't pop out of anywhere... at least be respectful of the Imam you think is awaiting Allah's last word to ome out of some cave.
He will be BORN... a WOMAN will GIVE BIRTH to him. He will rule from Makkah/madina *not *kufa/karbala/iraq/iran, etc. or other fitna-zud places.
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The Prophet(saw) had no problem when hz Awais 'intentionally' broke his teeth. I am sure he(saw) wont have any problem with our matam as well.
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And why did he do that? Since Awais did, it is okay for shias to cut themselves open in a barbaric ritual that has no basis in Islam?
I guess, Prophet should have done that when his sahabas were killed, or when body of his uncle was presented to him... what did the prophet do then? You glorify action of some sahabi but forget to note what the Prophet did when he was faced with death of his family members? Think for once.
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Common sense dictates to appoint a 'period' for the remembrance of Karbala specifically and what better period than the month itself which marks the martyrdoom of the Imam?
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Its not common sense, it is open display of stupidity and superstition. Why? You don't remember the events of Karbala other than few days out of Moharram? The events of karbala should be remembered and should come in our thoughts every single day and not just moharram... then try staying sad for the whole year because of something that happened 1300 years ago that we had no control over.
This is as far as I can go with your obtuseness!
Re: Really, what's with the hostility around here...
The explicit intention of why this thread was started and the ensuing discussion clearly makes for an interesting case-study. At any given topic, you can find multiple people who have enough time and energy to be repetitive. While its great that you have motivation to correct all misconceptions about your faith, it will also be helpful if you reduce the taunting and stop saying the same thing again and again. Clearly, at some point you realize that minds (on both sides) are closed for further discussion.
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just because someone aint on board regarding zanjeer matam and slicing babies heads open or horsey processions does not make that person pro-yazid or anti ahle e bait.
Pir sahab when your playing a mediatory role it doesnt help if your also flaming on the side. Forget taking obvious sides on a matter from a moderator's perspective by this remark your implying that anyone not being called pro-yazid is for "Horsey" processions and slicing baby's foreheads.
I remind you that it could be offensive to characterise other Muslim practices as running around half naked in a tunic, while being wholly accurate.
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there are two infinite things: Universe and Stupidity and I am not sure about universe
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This is as far as I can go with your obtuseness!
Look kiddo! stop wasting your energy trying to prove your view with lame arguments and calling our beliefs as 'stupid'. You want to discuss about Imam Mehdi then show some guts and answers the question in the other thread.
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Just going to get back to the topic now... if the thread can still be remembered for why it was started...
I think there should be a sort of scheme where members get good badges and bad badges... other members would nominate certain members, whoever they like for good awards like 'most creative thread', 'gs diplomat', 'gs brainbox', etc etc... and badges for being 'naughty' (aggressive/name-calling/intolerance etc etc) and at the end of every quarter year, whoever had the most of each nomination would get that badge stuck next to their name until the next quarter. Or limit the number of posts they can have each month... perhaps then they would learn to spend their posts wisely?
It feels really lame to say all this... I'm probably going to end up with a badge of some sort...
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1- I am NOT playing a mediatory role. I am simply stating me views.
#2- You have known me long enough to know that I take extreme examples to make a point..sometimes people get it sometimes they dont, but the intent is not to insult
#3- I did not see a single person stand up to this nonsense of people being called pro yazid and wanted to make a point. I have no qualms with aspecta of matam like majlis, and have attended many myself, but I am making a point that just because someone doe snot agree with a handful of items it does not make that person the enemy. if terms liek pro yazidi are going to be thrown around for people, then teh onus I suppose is on the person throwing around those terms to qualify and define what they are, otherwise they just seem like baseless insults to people who are disagreeing with that person
#4- I dont take obvious sides when it comes to shia sunni matters because I dont think either side is completely right.
regardless, I apologize if it came out wrong, the intent was not to put anyone’s belief system down at all
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abeera
ir would result in idiots of one side giving medals to their pals and idiots of other sides giving medals to their pals. The sensible posters would still have to deal with the insecurities, lameness and all of the idiots.
the moronic types need to dhape up or ship out, and in the interim, we can just ignore their attempts to cause havoc. Make them inconsequential, dont bother responding to thir rants and raves, and they have no power then
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thanks. i partially wanted to have that clarified for those who dont know you long enough and might have got offended.
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merci mon ami
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O folks! Save some energy for better pursuits in your limited overs life. You act as if it is a never ending test match.
Save some bandwidth as well. There're too many heaps on dung on the internet, don't keep adding onto it. Let it be clean and nice.
Rest is best and I leave it on you to decide for yourself, but do pay a lill bit awf attention to my piece of advice.
Cheers.
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I agree with everyone calling for tolerence and live and let live and those other rosey ideas.
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just because someone aint on board regarding zanjeer matam and slicing babies heads open or horsey processions does not make that person pro-yazid or anti ahle e bait.
its not black and white , there are not just 2 extremes here, there is not even a continuum between 2 extremes. there are divergent viewpoints and perspectives that simply can not be understood using a polarized balck/white aproach.
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Igonoring the first part since I dont know u all that well, No one will disagree with the second par of ur post.
My point in bringing up those specific threads.....and as I mentioned before is that we need to see the pattern. Its easy enough to send our general declarations of peace and ordering everyone to repect each other's beliefs. On face value you wont find any one here who would object to that (save JL maybe (sorry...couldnt resist :) ) )...the point is if you really look at ANY of the threads right now theres really a specific group of people who start the 'intolerence'. Infact lets look at this very thread. I posted the list of sectarian threads and alleged that they were anti shia. Now instead of responding to that by nullifying my claim, the esteemed genetleman implicitly defended their right to open anti shia topics saying thus:
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"Why are shias only sad or display their sadness during Muharram? What happens the rest of the year... temporary memory loss kicks in or something?"
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You think that types of things that happen during the matams and how horses are dressed as if Imam Hussain/Hasan were on them.... and shia "imams" are worshipped would be approved by those who shias mourn? The karbalites couldn't do much when these "imams" were being killed and now we have these sanctimonious "processions" for few days in Moharram, what a regretful way to pay respect.
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Again...this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. We are not discussing beliefs but how they are attacked in threads here. And you can see after that post its people responding. Same pattern.
Instead of preaching high values which everyone agrees to, why not actually go through those threads and see where the problem lies. This is not a sunni/shia thing....most posters from either side of the divide are pretty civil. Being rude in speech and ridiculing someone's beliefs are two very seperate things. The former I dont really mind; but the later I admit I dont have much 'tolerence' for. Its is the later which is the cause of the first and you would be well advised to look for that.
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Okay, so let me get something straight. Here we have a thread that was opened up by someone with the message of "lets all get along", to oversimplify it.
And then the shia-sunni argumentative addicts come bursting into THIS thread and bring their argument in here? Pray tell, what do shia-sunni problems have anything to do with the initial poster's request?
Not only is this thread off-topic, but people who are obsessed probably need to be thrown out of this website for a while just to cool down and find something else to focus on.
Pathetic.
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The unsimplified topic is “Whats with the hostility around here?”. The simple fact is that the cause of the hostility is shia-sunni tension. Theres no getting around that. To not even accept that is like the proverbial ostrich putting his head in the sand. This was brought up to move this thread from theoretical wishes and intentions of peace and love to actually dealing with the causes. One poster tried to turn it into a shia sunni debate and I pointed out that this isnt about that. But accepting that shia sunni conflict IS the main reason of the hostility around here (again thats what the topic is…if u dont oversimplify it) and investigating its CAUSES is the first, basic and minimal requirement for anyone wishing to reduce the hostility.