And the no limits rule doesnt only apply to time. Time is just a dimension. Like the three dimensions, time is just a fourth. That is where our imagination hits a wall. Imagine a 5th dimension. 6th? 6000th? It doesnt stop there either. Infinite dimensions maybe? Maybe then we'll have the time to quantify all the dimensions. But then again time itself is such a worldly concept. Damn its 6 am.
i reckon the difference lies in your reasons for wanting to end up in heaven. But in the end, like reality, its what you want it be. Unless of course you get high on camphor.
I believe conciousness is a fickle thing. Do you reckon people in a vegetative state are in a place of bliss?
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it remains to be seen whether heaven is as carefree as we imagine it will be.
a good analogy can be drawn from the following: when in seconday school, we are often told that those are the years that you shud work hard cuz once ur in uni it will all ease up. Next thing we are told that the uni yrs are tough, once ur working it will ease up etc etc.
similarly we are told that the world life is tough but in the hereafter things will ease up. However, could it be that once we really are there we await even tougher challenges? But that this worldy life is to see who is capable to overcome those challenges? Likewise tests are taken in secondary school to differentiate who can pass to uni?
Just a thought...
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your analogy is ridiculous.
You are trying to prove that whatever Quran and sayings of prophet refer to are all lies.
cheegum: nice reply. I agree that it is impossible for us to imagine the scale of Heaven's bliss. the point that Im arguing for is that if synthesized bliss (whichever way it is achieved) is the closest thing to heaven on earth, then why is it not the preferred lifestyle? supposing you were to convince an anarchic, non religious friend of yours not to put himself on an IV of LSD/Ecstacy/Whatever can you really say that this life that he currently lives is better than synthetic bliss? on what basis?
humhaipakistani: i didnt exactly mean vegetative state, i meant people who have certain parts of their brains severed and can only experience pleasant, non violent thoughts. im pretty sure science has advanced to the extent that we can isolate feel-good hormones and keep pumping them into our system. im asking if thats the closest thing to heaven there is, why not go for it?
Nescio: Theres only one tough place in the afterlife, and its not heaven.
Ravage: They have happy pills these days. Go for it.
:-p
haha.. no im only seeking reasons for why not. aside from begum's danday
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i guess what i was saying was supposing there was a medical procedure to ensure a permanent state of bliss, for example a lobotomy or drug induced highs, how is that different from divine introduced bliss i.e. heaven? is there a qualitative difference or merely a possible increase in intensity?
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As Chee pointed out its about forever and ever :P. Ofcourse its different.Who wants a bit of bliss over eternity.
thanku. since you think the same as cheeg.. followup to cheegum's answer is:
I agree that it is impossible for us to imagine the scale of Heaven's bliss. the point that Im arguing for is that if synthesized bliss (whichever way it is achieved) is the closest thing to heaven on earth, then why is it not the preferred lifestyle? supposing you were to convince an anarchic, non religious friend of yours not to put himself on an IV of LSD/Ecstacy/Whatever can you really say that this life that he currently lives is better than synthetic bliss? on what basis?
I believe everyone would prefer a life as close to heaven as possible, but thats exactly what most people are striving for in this world anyway.
Also, what bliss is differs from one person to another, depending on they're experiences and thier outlook on life. Im sure one kid will say E is the way to go, and another will roam in the jungle in search of bliss.
Each person is searching in thier own way. Personally, I think spirituality is the way to go, it supercedes everything else. Attain the height of self actualisation, and your already in heaven mate. Leave the E's alone plz.
oh yeah, are you familiar with Musawi Lari's 'Ethical and spiritual growth'? It is a must-read.
ps- Surely begums dandeh is the main reason 'synthesised bliss' is a must need no? :-p
nice answer ma mooli. i agree with most of your post.
but people who resort to escapism like drugs/suicide/hypothetical medical procedure are usually depressed clods who dont really foresee themselves achieving bliss any natural way. i mentioned before that my line of reasoning presumed a depressed, non-religious person. to elaborate further suppose he seeked an escape from circumstances and you were his religious friend who considers suicide haram and wished to help. without bringing ‘suicide/drugs/escapism is haram’ into the picture, how can you convince him to avoid that route while knowing that the route he takes is the closest to heaven he can achieve?
and i havent read the book you mention.. the author sounds like an ayatullah.. is he?
ps: lol nahi she provides the bliss too 
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The question is; how do you know that, that route is the closest to heaven? (Well suicide is the direct route to hell, but thats irrelevant.) If a friend of mine was into lets say drugs, i wouldn't leave him there and watch him get high and enjoy the short time bliss, i'd wanna help him get out of the crappy situation by dealing with the issues that got him there in the first place. Easier said than done, i know.
Surely though, he can achieve more than just living the low life? Drugs are generally seen as harmful, regardless of whether you believe in a God or not. As a friend your job is to help him, not watch him die.
And if he doesnt want help, then theres not much you can do, 'cept maybe get the authorities on his back. haha.
PS- He's not an ayatullah, but a scholar. The book is online, on islam.org. Actually i think theres a link to it in this forum, i'll see if i can find it.
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:-o How? Does she have many underground contacts?
:) i dont actually have a friend who does that sort of stuff.. idle mind i guess..
anyway.. me'll reply more in a bit. gotta prep for exams..
I had roast potatos. 
Pardon me; i meant ‘you’ generic. It seems i got carried away in the moment. :halo: