Reality of 786!

[lethal_kamikaze]

@sa-Nafooz

wslm LK…i think i understand yr point

so then (in green) do u agree with that or think it’s not really correct?

and then it just hit me that maybe we can use the numbers to let someone else knw that what we meant to be here( say 786 instead of Bismillah), so then when someone reads it, tehy knw it’s meant to be Bismillah so they’ll recite the whole of it(remind them perhaps?)
but if u write that in arabic, u’ll have to be really careful, very very careful where u put that paper, in what state(paak/najis) u touch it, whom u give it to and all…u get what i mean?

like if it’s in numbers then u knw what u have to recite(it acts as a reminder, sort of), and just in case that piece of paper lends in the wrong hands then u’d have that feeling, relief maybe that something so pure is not in the wrong hands..

I do.

Better we use roman english to write/remaind or the best way we can write trasnlation of Bismillah. I agree what ur pointing but i’m afraid peoples will gonna make it habbit as already many of them done. Many of us now using ‘as’ As salam o Alycum or ‘ws’ wa alycum us salam.

Well incase it is our certificates/diploma’s degree then we’ll laminate it and keep in a save place with full care but alas! if it is bismillah or any qu’ran’s ayah we just want to rid it from b’coz we are failed to keep it in save place like our certificates/diploma etc. b’coz of thinking that maybe in najast state we’ll gonna touch it. Solution if very simple and thats we should keep ourselve in situation of wadu whole the time or refresh our wadu if required.

There is a narrative that a badawi (non-muslim) was scratched (removed) the name of Muhammad from a slate. Allah SWT ki qudrat ke naam visible again on that slate and the badawi again scratched but the name visible again. The badawi tried repeatedly to scratch the names many many times but the name visible again and again and that badawi then approached to Prophet Muhammad and embraced Islam. (i’ll try to find reference).

Purpose of above narrative is if replace of name 92 is written then i don’t think that badawi will gonna embrace islam.

Hope it is clear now

@Sa1eem

Using 786 for ‘Bismillah-ur-rahman-ur-raheem’ is perfectly fine, just like it is perfectly fine to write ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ in Roman script, Arabic script, Chinese script, etc, etc, etc.

Reason: We have two ways of expressing a thing.

One is by sound that we speak (make using vocal cord)
And
Other is by symbols that we write (that could be in any script, could be in numbers, of drawings).

Sound that we speak is constant, that is, spoken ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ would sound more or less same all the time, whatever symbol used to write it.

Anyhow, when we write something in symbol than that symbol can take any form, and only those can read that symbol producing required sound who knows the symbol and can read the symbol (Know what sound that symbol is suppose to make).

For instance … when writing ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahman-ur-Raheem’ in Roman script than symbol (or sequence of symbols) would be different then if one would write ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ in Arabic script, Chinese script, Bangla script, Turkish script, etc. Those who can read/recognise the symbol, they would produce same sound whatever symbol is used to write ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’.

In same way when a person writes ‘786’ they make a symbol and those who know what that symbol means, that is ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahman-ur-Raheem’, they would read that symbol correctly. Those who do not know what ‘786’ means, for them ‘786’ would be a meaningless symbol, just like those who cannot read Roman script than for them ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahman-ur-Raheem’ written in Roman script would be a meaningless symbol. If symbol becomes meaningless for those who do not know/recognise the symbol than it does not mean that to write a sound (sequence of sounds) using that symbol is wrong.

Similarly, those who know what ‘786’ means, for them they would read ‘786’ as ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ producing same sound just like they would read ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ if the sentence was written in Arabic script, Roman script, Chinese script, Bangla script, Turkish script, or whatever … hence, writing ‘786’ for ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ is perfectly fine.

As for those who cannot read/recognise ‘786’ than they cannot say that ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ should not or cannot be written as ‘786’, just like they could not say that ‘Bismillah-ur-Rahmaan-ur-Raheem’ should not or cannot be written in Roman script, Chinese script, Bangla script, Turkish script, etc … just because they could not read/recognise those scripts.

:salam2:

Well i couldn’t find in any hadeeth neither in Qur’an where it is mentioned that 786 is perfectly fine to write neither i found that 786 sounds Bismillah. Keep in your mind these symbols never used by our Prophet Muhammad neither by any companions nor by our four Imams . Moroever its not mentioned in Qur’an also (as per my knowledge).

The symbols we learn to use in our uni is something difference. Here we are talking about the words of Allah SWT, the Qur’an, not about chemistry, physic or Bio. We can’t use symblos as Bismillah or as the name of Allah SWT.

In roman urdu or english or any other language. We should write Bismillah Not 786 or any symbols for it and this is wroth to write here if we learn how to write english, urdu, spanish, french or any other language then why don’t we learn how to write arabic?

on some point i agree but on rest No Bro.