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You do realize Afridi is a pathan? 
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Finally, the voice of sanityâŚ
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yeah but all im saying is that when Afridi walked to open the inningsâŚhe was in a good mood and was laughing and joking around with others. Had this incident happened with any playerâŚim sure they wouldnt be in this kind of mood. Plus Afridi has said time and time again that he loves to open. After opening in India and in WI in the ODI series⌠why would Afridi all of a sudden not want to open? It just doesnt make sense. And plus I have never head Afridi pushing or trying to hit any of his team-mates. I remember in the Younis and Inzi fight during a soccer gameâŚAfridi and Saeed Anwar were the ones stopping the fight. Heâs a team player and had such an incident happenedâŚim sure lots of other websites would be carrying this story instead of just âJang.â Plus I have read Waheed Khanâs articles before and most of the time his stories have little truth in them and im sure this story is no exception.
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Yaasir,
I agree with your ideas, Afridi has always been a team player and this factor is the weakest link of this report.
As for WK, so many ppl hv said that he has no credibility, Iam still not sure why? based on which story reported by him and was proven to be incorrect? In my opinion, WK has a pretty decent record when it comes to reporting on Pak cricketing affairs. If my confidence is misplaced, pls correct me by stating or providing links=====
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Fkhan2-- Well said. We as Pakistani cricket fans need to grow up. Whenever our team loses, we instantly believe and get suspiciuos about players. This story might be true or might be not. But we as a nation need to learn how to be graciuos and accepting in defeat. Frustration is natural but the way we behave and start calling names, start believe every story about our players is unjustifiable.
yaasir-- good point.
fartguru and Jazba_pk: Sue a newspaper? Arent you forgetting that it just doesnt work in Pakistan? On his website, Bob woolmer answered another 'spicy story' carried out by WK in style and I hope he does it again.
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WK has a pretty decent record? I used to follow his articles quite a lot. He had the audacity to report that Moin Khan will go to australia as a second wicket-keeper. He reported that Bob played Younis as keeper in one of the one dayers because he was pissed at selectors whereas it was proven later that Kamran was unfit (hand injury).
There is a golden rule in journalism that one shouldnt express his own opinions emotionally while reporting soemthing, and time and time again, Waheed khan has been doing that. Comments like 'Bob woolmer and Inzimam should put aside their differences with Rashid to include him in the team for Indian tour. As much as one agrees with such statements, you just cannot do that while you are a journalist and citing some anonymous sources again and again.
Rashid Latif even threatened to sue âthe Newsâ and stopped only because WK apologized to him (I know that because a VERY senior reporter of the News is my former teacher and he brought up the story of former Indian vice pm Advani planning the assasination of Quaid-e-Azam from old records and gained accolades all over). He has been advising WK against this practice since a while to no avail.
Having said that, this story might have some basis but being such a senior journalist, he overblows such arguments unnecessarily. I am sure if you read old articles, you will realize that extremely rarely do his reported fights turn out to be true.
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Sir,
I repeat. This is not about being gracious in defeat. Iam sure most of the Paki fans are more than gracious in defeat cause they are so willing to take back their fallen heroes. Inzimam is a classic example, post World cup where he was a total flop, it was Paki fans who wanted to seem him come back and did they not take him back? Therefore, please do not confuse the issue or try to gloss over the misconduct of your favorite players. If anyone sud be taught a lesson is those ppl who cannot admit that their heroes are also human and deserve to be treated like human beings. Praise when they do well and punishment when they cross the line. At the cost of repeating myself: Issue here is of discipline, power struggle, petty minded disputes lack of respect of the rules and How Pakistan is being represented.
Wasim Akram recently won a court case in Pakistan where he was accused of some stupid charge. Similarly, there hv been other frivilous law suites filed in Pakistan and thrown out by the courts. So dont find refuge in the courts incompetence excuse. If PCB believes they are right, well they can start legal proceeding against WK and Jang. When they do or do not, we shall know, but for our discussion sake what if WK is telling the truth? Hv u considered that alternative or are u so blinded by the love of your favorites that u cannot accept another viewpoint?
In the last one day match when Yuhana stormed off the ground after his ruckus with Razzak had we lost that match then ppl wud hv taken Yuhana to the drycleaners, since we won there was no problem. Here lies the problem sir, we sud be able to say it as it is in victory or defeat. That is called growing up and being able to face any situation. Glossing up and covering up is done by those who hv somethibng to hide or are insecure.
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I agree with that, and this has been my stance from the begininig..if this story is correct. But, we cannot start from the premise that it is wrong, it wud not be fair either.
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Quite a crafted story. Remember Afridi saying in an interview in India that he like to open the inings. I really dont understand from where all this came from.
And what credibility does WK have ?
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First of all, I have repeatedly said that such arguments are part and parcel of a team. Sooner we realize that, safer our brain cells will be. I dont believe in covering up stories either neither do I seek refuge in courts incompetence. You should know that Wasim Akram won a case against a common man, his former friend. He has been reportedly threatning to take to the courts but suing a journalist for defamation is a very difficult thing to do in Pakistan, nearly impossible.
Once again, Youhana Razzaq issue is another overblown issue. Did you even consider the case that he could be injured while diving for that catch? No, it HAD to be a fight, right? and he 'stormed' off the pitch. Havent you ever noticed Wasim yelling at Razzaq, Saqlain arguing with Afridi etc? Do these arguments mean that they are equal to fights? I dont believe in glossing up or ccovering up but I believe that these players are humans, they spend more time with each other rather than their families and there are bound to be some arguments or heated discussions every now and then. But not all such instances are fights, disciplinary problems, insecurities or arrogance as WK and some yellow jouranlists want us to believe.
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^ good positive attitude.
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What a bunch of BS. Waheed Khan continues on, despite being criticized over and over for his pathetic journalism.
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I dont know if this really happend. Could be false journalism...
If it is true, I must say that Afridi should be careful. He is a great player, but I have no doubt that Younis will captain the side some day,,, and probably not too far in the future.
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Jang Urdu also reporting the same, minus Inzi's involvement.
Any other reliable source that has confirmed this????
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"the source said" what freaking source, this is all crap and waheed khan is using this for popularity
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And the saga continuesâŚseems like Waheed Khan can never write anything sensible :rolleyes:
No reaction from PCB, team management on brawl incident
By Waheed Khan
KARACHI: There was no reaction on Sunday from either the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) or the touring team management in the West Indies on the brawl involving stand-in captain Younis Khan, captain Inzamam-ul-Haq and all-rounder Shahid Afridi in Barbados recently.
But this was expected as obviously neither the PCB nor the team management would like to admit that such an ugly incident could take place in the first place. And it would be a big surprise if the PCB or the management confirms the incident and announces an inquiry into it.
Although on Sunday one could see on TV Inzamam engaged in an animated discussion with the PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan pointing towards Afridi and trying to make a point.
However investigations by this correspondent have confirmed that Younis had already started facing minor problems from a few players even while he was captaining the side in the last two One-day Internationals in St Lucia due to the forced absence of Inzamam.
âEven in the final ODI, Younis faced problems with Abdul Razzaq who showed his displeasure when he was told that Rao Iftikhar would bowl the death overs,â a source said. âRazzaq wanted to bowl in the final overs but Younis told him that he would like Iftikhar to do this and that left the all-rounder unhappy and in a bad mood,â the source added.
Then came the incident on the first day of the Barbados Test where Afridi served as a catalyst for the clash between Younis and Inzamam when he was not willing to open the innings on the instructions of the stand-in skipper. âAfridi defied Younis which eventually led to the clash with Inzamam, who surprisingly supported the all-rounder and not Younis which left him (Younis) hurt and disappointed,â the source said.
However the source said he was surprised at the change in Afridiâs attitude since the Indian tour where he enjoyed a lot of success.
But then this clash should not come as a surprise because itâs no secret that Inzamam and few of the other players were never happy at the sudden promotion of Younis as vice-captain in place of Yousuf Youhana before the Indian tour.
âInzamam was never happy with this change in status quo as far as the vice captaincy is concerned but given the team was touring India and the jobs of the coach, captain and careers of some other players was on the line, the team gelled together to beat the old enemy,â the source pointed out." But the discontent over Younisâs promotion remained until Barbados and only increased because as luck wouldâve it whenever he led the side in Inzamamâs absence it enjoyed success. Then one has to understand that Younis has always been a bit of an outspoken character and a bit too brash for the liking of the captain and his supporters in the team," the source noted.
âSome of the comments he made as skipper at press conferences and prize distribution ceremonies after matches also apparently didnât please Inzamam and his supporters who felt he was getting too big for his boots,â the source explained.
âBut there was nothing anyone could do as because Younis also enjoyed success in Australia, India and more recently as a batsman alone. But the discontent remained and boiled down to the incident in Barbados.â
The interesting thing is that if one recounts a bit of history, Afridi had also served as the catalyst for senior players eventually revolting against former coach Javed Miandad in 1999 before the World Cup.
Even then it was Afridi who got into a fight with Javed and created a situation where eventually the latter was forced out of the team.
Clearly the Pakistan cricket authorities need to look into this incident and instead of trying to sweep things under the mat, try to ensure such ugly incidents donât happen again in future as they can only damage the future of Pakistan cricket.
Because all said and done the team has shown improvement since the Australian tour and has been doing well. And the PCB should ensure this process is not derailed with petty ego problems.
link: http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/may2005-daily/30-05-2005/sports/s3.htm
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lagta hai kisi team player nay waheed khan ki behn ko chera hai 
haath dho kar peechay pargaya hai story banay ke liye. I am wondering how come BBC sent a correspondent to WI who is close to Pak official and still didnât get any glimpse of this tension in the team.
What about GEO TV (again Jang groupâs channel)? Did they show anything on TV?
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I agree with fartguru,has some sensible thoughts n points in there,
Jazba_pk Bhai,if this is your attitude in a questionable state of affaires, I wonder how would it look if you were there personally among the âBOYZâ
I rest my case on the state of affaires on Pakisrtan teamâs Cap10C and its so called âstandardsâ that are good enough to compete in a âtape Ballâ street cricket.
In fact R.Raja commented during the match commentary that some of the boys were expert in âStreet level of Cricketâ , but quickly added "This is what Pakistan needs to do to tame Lara & Gayle , 
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i think this needs to be sorted out very quickly, also now there is speculation that younis will lose vc which is pathetic!