Reading Your Nikkah Nama

^ calm down people, its a LEGAL document and everything in a legal document needs to be direct and to-the-point.

Being single is not the same as being a virgin.

If this is what the boy wants to know about the girl, then he better write it down clearly.. and vice versa.... to avoid problems in the future.

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In pakistan being virgin is synonymous with unmarried...!

Does Jehaz make sense to you? Besides, Haq mehr stems from Islamic traditions. You think securing mehr is unfair to men, read up on rights of women in Islam and you will see how much a woman gives up for that little amount.

just as much as haq mehr does...

Oh yeah totally!

I’m a muslim, my mom’s a muslim, my sisters, my best friends, my cousins, I swear we’re all DYINNNGGG here, :frowning: , please please save us, we have no rights!!! I beg you please help me live my life for once pleaasee save us!!

PS: Take ur women-rights-in-islam discussions back to the religion forum. Thanks. :chai:

so, which one is it? does Islam give equals/less/more rights to women than men? apart from the Islamic angle, are women men's equals now or what? if they're, why do they need haq mehr?

By giving up, I meant the right to divorce (even Khula requires husband’s permission). In terms of marriage rights, men obviously have the upper hand in Islam, but that’s another discussion. I am not going to get into that.

As much as I wish, we are NOT equal. There should be no Jehaz or Haq Mehr, that's strictly my opinion.

same here lifey..this line also caught my attention n i was thinking of asking so if a bride is neither a widow, divorced or virgin is she or her father supposed to write it on the nikahnama and obviously all witnesses will see it ..n u can't lie cuz this is THE PUREST THING (marriage)..so wat's one to do..just curious

***Its a NIKAAH NAMA …How can it say “married” ? :chai:


married? :hehe:

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With regards to the "virgin" part I think it only means if the person is single/never been married and NOT talking about actual sexual activities.
Though traditionally in most countries, unmarried = virgin.

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I think this one is more authentic , as it is from Consulate General Of Pakistan (NY)

It is a marriage certificate :slight_smile:

http://www.pakistanconsulateny.org/PDF/marriage.pdf

Mehr makes sense because it is a woman's security in the event of an untimely or irrational step taken by the man. Assets and inheritance are usually in the man's name in Islam. So, to make sure the woman is not destitute, Mehr is there. It makes logical sense also because if there are children, she will also have to look after them financially.

Samb, you cannot conduct a mental exam on every divorced man to see if they have lost their marbles. There are men out there who do this and to protect the woman, we have Mehr.

She can be working or she cannot be working, its her choice to make. Regardless of that, if the man loses his mind and gives her a divorce...she gets Mehr. Traditionally, in our societies its harder for a divorced woman to get married then a divorced man. Thats also a sad reality. She needs that money.

If you dont care about Islam's take on it then Mehr shouldnt be a concern as its an Islamic right of a woman.

Islam gives rights according to roles. You have a responsibility towards your home as a man and so does a woman. The two roles cannot be compared. You come with different plumbing and so do women...the two cannot be compared. You, being a man - on average - still make more then a woman today in the US...the two cannot be compared. Your job is to bring home the bread and hers is to bake it...the two cannot be compared. When you decide to have children, your job will be easy but not hers...the two positively cannot be compared.

Whether a man likes it or not, he gives haq mehr when he divorces. Women also have situations where Allah swt simply commands and does not give women choices. Its for our own good and in the long run makes sense.

Well yes... but it happens all the time.

Not all women work, at least in muslim countries. Not everyone has assets.

Well, I understand why it doesn't make sense...after all most religions don't have this arrangement and the court plays the bigger role in what happens after a divorce.

But that's what makes Islam special. There are many rights men have over women that don't make sense either but if everything made sense to us, I'm sure we wouldn't be humans, no?

No, it doesn't always, it's perfectly acceptable to get an imam to grant it.. otherwise battered or mistreated wives would never be able to leave their husbands.. You can also leave hubby for no longer being physically attracted to him as well (tho obviously it's heavily frowned on in our culture), Islam isn't the woman-hating religion a lot of ppl make it out to be..

Btw it’s not really allowed for anyone to ask either partner if they’re a virgin (it comes under not disclosing sins) so obviously if the nikah document is asking it in a literal sense that’s completely out of order.. A potential can be asked general questions about his/her past lifestyle etc but not specifically that..

Is it permissible to ask a potential spouse whether they are a virgin?

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I am assuming most posters here live in western countries and are protected by things like alimony, child support etc. Personally, I like this much better than a one time payment. But, why then ask for a large amount in haq mehr also? Isnt this double dipping?

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It is expensive to live a moderate life these days. She should ask for a large amount for haw mehr.

Jahez = dowry. Which was discouraged entirely by the Prophet. At least that's what I thought.

as far as i know u dont get the double payments here.... either u follow the islamic rights or u follow the state legal rights(if ur marriage is registered) ... u cant follow both....someone i know here(in ontario) had to give up her haq mehr in order to collect the rest... she was better off this way because her haqmehr wasn't much enough to begin with...
rest, someone who actually have gone through the process may correct me ....