Reaction II God to Hagar "Submit to your mistree"

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Muslims for namesake say that they love and respect prophets of Jews.

As a coincidence, my name resembles Hagar, the mother of Ishmail and Monotheism. ( Islam can be monotheism. But Monotheism cannot be Islam ).

Hagar was told this by God “Submit yourself to your Mistress” Sarah. *** FN below

That is what the followers of Mohammad do. Word by Word submission to what Bible says.

Muslims don’t have the right to question any of the Bible words or Take or question any of the Bible or Torah words.

So Again I say SUBMIT ISLAM TO JEWISH PROPHETS.

Mohammad is no better than Moses. And no two religion can have the same God.

If you decide again to contradict Torah or Bible, then REMOVE ALL REFERENCES OF BIBLE FROM QURAN. After removing from Quran let us see what remains of Quran. Muslims can follow that.
( FN This is what is told to Hagar and what was recorded by Moses, for whom God came down and showed himself only that much that man would not die. It did not happen to Mohammad that way. )

Islam should stop instigating innocent Muslim people and call them for Jihad against any of the rest of the world.

I would suggest that if Islam wants to test whether its Jihad was liked by people, Host the Jihad in China or Japan or Korea(s) and come out successful.

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God to Hagar "Submit to your Mistress" Sarah

REMEBER We ( my friends here with me, I dont know much however to say about the members of this discussion group ) are a very good group who discuss openly and in a healthy manner on diverse matters.

(1) No prophets gains importance because he happened to be the last prophet, rather because how and in what all way God has interacted to them. If Moses or Jesus foretold that messenger Mohammad would be sent, then the First Condidion is

Moses and Jesus, who believed by you to have foretold, the arrival of messenger, MUST BE THE REAL AND TRUSTED GOD'S SERVANTS. Even in this respect Quran shows its jealousy to these prophets of Jews.

If Moses' inspiration is questioned by Quran, then Quran should totally dissociate from Torah. Leave Jews alone with the greatest treasure, which you believe, is a BLUNDER, to themselves. Dont feel jeasous of the blunder of Jews. Guide yourself without the Blunder Jews. So in this respect also Quran needs to clear itself away from all references to Jewish heritage. THAT IS THEIR HERITAGE. DONT TRY TO STEAL FROM THEIR HERITAGE.

(2) Moses was so pleased to God, that God offered to take away all the inheritance that your Ibrahim was promised to. If Moses did that then the sons of Hagar will not claim falsely on the inheritance of Isacc and Jacob. But Moses was selfless, truthful and accurate that he conveyed whatever was inspired or shown to him by God himself. He did not need any angel to serve between him and Moses.

Also being a Good Steward and was also jealous for God's promises Ibrahim, Moses refused to receive the inheritance from God. But Prophet Mohammad, if at all he is, DID THAT. Because of this Mohammad is selfish.

Muslims also should stop worshipping God as Jehovah or Yeweh. The name was revealed by God himself to Moses for the first time. God was not known to Abraham as Jehovah. Moses openly says so.

Torah ( in restricted sense to include 4 books of moses ) was written by Moses. The God ( Not God only the arch angel Gabriel ) whom you believe took Mohammad to Heaven to reveal something, appeared in the most possible form Mankind can see the all powerful God.

Prophet Mohammad showed greatest disrepect to all prophets especially
Jesus, who is the son of God, by questioning Jesus. Instead he must respect and submit to the words of Jesus 100 %. Some believe Jesus prophesised about the coming of Mohammad. If Jesus made a greatest blunder by falsely calling himself "Son of God", then God was never with Jesus and therefore messenger Mohammad's coming was not foretold by Jesus.

In all ways Mohammad is far far inferior to Moses and Jesus, that he DESERVES NO SPECIAL TREATMENT to followers of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You can add followers ofr Hagar - God never spoke to Ishmail, He only spoke to Hagar during the period Hagar was considered to be within the control of Sarah, but was cast away by Sarah because of wrong doings.

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Christians/Jews only don't believe in Mohammed (pbuh), while in Islam we believe in all the true prophets. Every prophet has something special. In Mohammed (pbuh) all these special attributes were combined.

About Moses talking to God, he only talked to Him, but when once he insisted on seeing Allah (he was kind of 'laadla' prophet of Allah), Allah said ok, I'll send you one tiny spark, and see if you can resist that, and when Moses looked at it, he fainted!
While Muhammed (pbuh) had seen Allah in the night of Mirajh in the seventh heaven. (anybody correct me if I'm wrong!)

As far as I know, when in the end people wouldn't listen, every prophet except for Muhammad (pbuh) cursed the unbelievers in one way or another, while Muhammad (pbuh) always prayed for their true guidance. Even that alone is enough to proove his high rank!
We could go on and on and on, but people who don't want to believe always find a lame excuse to not believe.

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Sir

As was stated this calls for Jihad either way for Islam.

"No after" this was your reaction sir. Only one party can emerge successful - Jews that includes Christ vs Muhammad

1) Since story of Ibrahim is written several years after the incidence it is not true. Hagar never gave birth to Ibrahim's son Ishmail.

Therefore Torahs written by Moses cannot be accepted by Quran. So all references and prophesys Quran believes is false.

Here the survival of Quran is threatened fully.

Jihad on Quran to remove references.

2) All the books of Bible, in its standard version was complete before 100 After Jesus Christ's birth.

Muhammad was born after all prophets. He read/heard all books. He married a rich widow so that he get settled in life so that he would make some research on Torah and Bible.

He became a warrior with political intentions. He gained the political advantage by falsely claiming is concepts as that given by God.

This has 100% probability.

Again calls for Jihad in that the other party will claim that QURAN IS A BLUNDER.

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Testimony of Jesus Christ

(1) The Synoptics. The key to this is contained in His words, after the Resurrection: "I ascend to my Father and to your Father" (John, xx, 17). He always spoke of MY Father, never of OUR Father. He said to the disciples: "Thus then shall YOU pray: Our Father", etc. He everywhere draws the clearest possible distinction between the way in which God was His Father and in which He was the Father of all creatures. His expressions clearly prove that He claimed to be of the same nature with God; and His claims to Divine Sonship are contained very clearly in the Synoptic Gospels, though not as frequently as in St. John.

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Questions

1) whether Jesus is a son of God 2) whether he was crucified

3) whether the socalled prophesy of Isaiah ( 53 ) is fulfilled in Jesus crucificition

4) if it was not, then whether in Muhammad Isiah 's prophesy is fulfilled

5) Muhammad is a warrior. But Isiah talks about a person who resembles a Sheep. So shall we have to wait for another prophet before the Day of God comes.

6) But Muhammad says that he is the last prophet. So Isaiah's prophesy must have been fulfilled earlier. Before Jesus it was not fulfilled. After Jesus it was not fulfilled

7) What is remaining is only Jesus. So he must been crucified to make Muhammad's saying - that Mohammad is the last messenger - to be true.

Quran is contradicting with itself in its own words. God's words are like two pronged knife. It cannot be as vulnerable like Quran.

God is not the author of Quran. Muhammad and his followers are the authors.

Wake up Islam

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Quran 2:120-121
And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.
Those unto whom We have given the Scripture, who read it with the right reading, those believe in it. And whoso disbelieveth in it, those are they who are the losers.

go and cry some place else :)

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*Originally posted by jab: *
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Quran is contradicting with itself in its own words. God's words are like two pronged knife. It cannot be as vulnerable like Quran.
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Enough. Now stop talking like a kid, be a mature adult and bring the references, show us the "contradictions".

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God is not the author of Quran. Muhammad and his followers are the authors...
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Quran is word of God, wakeup Christians, Jews.

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Changes_like says Muhammad is an illiterate. Muhammad may have been taken to Heaven and shown things.

But he could not have taken animal skin and wrote what he saw in heaven.

You and I dont know how many people helped illiterate Mohammad in writing Quran.

Unfortunately Mohammad cannot check what was written was what he was revealed.

There was someone who was saying Muhammad took off on hearing Gabriel talking.

Then Gabriel appeared all around him. If you go the Psychologist they will say what syndrome thisone is.