re-enactment of Pressler trap

timing couldn’t be worse. US knows that with elections fast approaching in Pakistan and Musharraf desperately fighting for his political survival, this is the right moment to apply pressure.

Bush to sign bill linking aid to anti-terror fight: US Congress adopts measure

By Anwar Iqbal (DAWN)

WASHINGTON, July 28: The White House said on Saturday that President George W. Bush would sign into law a counter-terrorism bill that also proposes new conditionalities on US assistance to Pakistan.

The US House of Representatives passed the bill on Friday night by 317 to 40 votes. The Senate had endorsed it on Thursday night by 85 to 8 votes.

“The … provisions … require Pakistan to make demonstrated, significant and sustained progress towards eliminating terrorist safe havens from Pakistan,” said Gary Ackerman, chairman of the House Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia.

The section on Pakistan also ties US assistance to democratic reforms, extension of the rule of law, and the conduct of parliamentary elections scheduled for 2007.

Another provision notes that Pakistan maintains a network for the proliferation of nuclear and missile technologies, adding that the maintenance of such a network would be inconsistent with Pakistan being considered an ally of the United States.

“It is the sense of Congress that the national security interest of the United States will best be served if the United States works with the government of Pakistan to stop nuclear proliferation,” the bill adds.

The overwhelming endorsement by both chambers of the US Congress indicates the strong bilateral support the bill enjoys.

The bill’s original intention — strengthening American security to prevent future terrorist attacks — makes it impossible for any political group in the United States to oppose it.

US officials, while talking privately to reporters, acknowledge that the Bush administration is not comfortable with the proposed restrictions on American assistance to Pakistan but finds it very difficult to purge it from a bill that is tied to the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.

Once signed into law by President Bush, the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act of 2007 has the potential to become another Pressler Amendment for Pakistan. The 1985 act, which placed similar restrictions on Pakistan, led to the suspension of US military and economic assistance to the country in October 1990 when the then American president refused to issue the mandatory waiver needed to continue the aid.

The proposed restrictions under the 9/11 act require similar certification.

The section on Pakistan, as passed by the House, includes findings that:

(1) Since September 11, 2001, the government of Pakistan has been an important partner in helping the United States remove the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and combating international terrorism in the frontier provinces of Pakistan.

(2) There remain a number of critical issues that threaten to disrupt the relationship between the United States and Pakistan, undermine international security, and destabilise Pakistan, such as:

(A) Curbing the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology;

(B) Combating poverty and corruption;

(C) Building effective government institutions, especially secular public schools;

(D) Promoting democracy and the rule of law, particularly at the national level;

(E) Addressing the continued presence of Taliban and other violent extremist forces throughout the country;

(F) Maintaining the authority of the government of Pakistan in all parts of its national territory;

(G) Securing the borders of Pakistan to prevent the movement of militants and terrorists into other countries and territories; and

(H) Effectively dealing with Islamic extremism.

The bill is also a statement of policy, saying that the following shall be the policies of the United States towards Pakistan:

(1) To work with the government of Pakistan to combat international terrorism, especially in the frontier provinces of Pakistan, and to end the use of Pakistan as a safe haven for forces associated with the Taliban.

(2) To establish a long-term strategic partnership with the government of Pakistan to address the issues described in the bill.

(3) To dramatically increase funding for programmes of the United States Agency for International Development and the Department of State that assist the government of Pakistan in addressing such issues, if the government of Pakistan demonstrates a commitment to building a moderate, democratic state, including significant steps towards free and fair parliamentary elections in 2007.

(4) To work with the international community to secure additional financial and political support to effectively implement the policies set forth in this subsection and help to resolve the dispute between the government of Pakistan and the government of India over the disputed territory of Kashmir.

Strategy Relating to Pakistan:

(1) Requirement for report on strategy — not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report, in classified form if necessary, that describes the long-term strategy of the United States to engage with the government of Pakistan to address the issues described in the bill and carry out the policies suggested by Congress in order to accomplish the goal of building a moderate, democratic Pakistan.

Limitation on United States Security Assistance to Pakistan:

For fiscal years 2008 and 2009, US military assistance to Pakistan may not be approved for until 15 days after the date on which President determines and certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the government of Pakistan is making all possible efforts to prevent the Taliban from operating in areas under its sovereign control, including in the cities of Quetta and Chaman and in the Northwest Frontier Province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

(2) The President may waive the limitation on assistance for a fiscal year if the President determines and certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that it is important to the national security interest of the United States to do so.

(3) The limitation on assistance to Pakistan shall cease to be effective beginning on the date on which the President determines and certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the Taliban, or any related successor organisation, has ceased to exist as an organisation capable of conducting military, insurgent, or terrorist activities in Afghanistan from Pakistan.

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This is the time for Musharraf to play it out tactfully. Don't have to overtly hostile to this new legislation, but should give out mix signals to US just as they've done in the past week or so. No heavens will fall. Indians stuck to their grounds and got what they wanted out of that nuclear deal. Similarly, North Korea showed a bit of spine and made US to sit on the negotiating table with them. Likewise, Musharraf also needs to show some courage while dealing with US pressure. This is about lonterm interest of Pakistan. We shouldn't allow US to leave us high & dry once we've served their interests in the region.

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We should decide for once and all if we have to live on American aid till the judgment day.

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Oh SD! C'mon! this has nothing to do with "Timing" of Pak elections. Instead it has everything to do with "Timing" of American elections.

Democrats have been trying to chip away at Republican policies. They couldn't do much towards stopping funds for Iraq and Afghanistan. Why? because pro-GI lobby is still holding.

So the democrats are trying the next best thing for themselves. They are now attacking allies of Republicans.

This is nothing new. Pakistan has always faired much better with Republicans. Remember Carter's peanuts vs. Reagan's $billions?

Lefties, socialists, Liberals, and Democrats usually cosy up with Show-Shawlist and now the "servicer" India.

American aid is relatively small part. It is the American market that's important. US and UK are the biggest importers of Pakistani products.

Pakistan has to make do with Republican feast years while coping with Democrat's famine years.

That's fact of life until we stabilize to a point where Karachi /Gawader become the next Taiwan / Hong kong / or Dubai. Then we can have net positive cash flow of $100 to $200 billions. That kind of sum will keep democrats interested as well.

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India has strengths in negotiation. Iran has oil. They can afford to stand their grounds.

N.Korea has NOTHING to lose. So they can take some desperate steps.

what does Pakistan have? Like Iraq, it is in a needy situation both economically and politically. What do you mean then 'stand the ground'? what ground?

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Dunno how you bring Iraq in this debate.

Each country you listed has geo-strategic assets and value. Pakistan has some and so do other countries.

It depends how you play your cards instead of whining about this or that issue.

Instead of focusing too much on American politics, we should focus on finding our strengths. Then use them to bring stability and prosperity in the world. That's the only way to bring your value up.

China was a trouble maker and poverty stricken commie country. They figured out a way to help global commerce by serving WalMart. Guess what? They improved their standing in the world.

Indian was throwback to famine infested era under show-shawlist (socialist) Nehruvian doctrine. Well they figured out they can add to global stability and prosperity by serving Microsoft on 24 hours 7 days schedule. Guess what? They are slowly improving their standing in the world.

Pakistan too can improve its standing. Let's see how can we add to global stability and prosperity. Surely then we'll be better off than we are now.

So quit whining (Maray paas to kuch nahi raha)**

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^ obviously you're more interested in talking than listening and thinking. Unless you understand the parallel with Iraq, all you'll get to do is pass gassy remarks about other countries.

"wait and we'll figure out how we can add to global stability" - if that doesn't sound like a plan I dunno what else does. Bet you came up with that in collaboration with shaukat himself.

how about some specifics and ideas instead of platitudes and asides on other countries

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Its both good and bad. Any sanctions are bad, but US aid isnt that much-and its about time people realized that the US is not a reliable partner or ally of Pakistans. Better to be done with it in terms of geo-strategic reliance.

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Oh Man! you just broke the leg of the whole globalization thingy (ghada gira diya kuwain main)

Today is the time of global alliances. Be they strategic, economic, or whatever. US and EU are the best of the best.

EU offers a combined budget of $6000 billions while US alone offers a budget of $3000 billion.

Now compare this to $450 billion for China, $200 billion for South Korea, and $140 billion for India.

China and India are loaded with people too. So the bottom line is less money and billions of people and the alliance will suck money out of you.

On the other hand Trillions of dollars and million in population of EU and US means there will be net flow of money to Pakistan.

OK in a simpler term, Pakistan cannot make a shirt and sell it to China / India that is cheaper and/or better quality.

But Pakistan can definitely sell a shirt to EU or US which is at least cheaper if not better in quality.

This is how "money flows" around the globe. If you set up shop for US or UK you will make money. If on the other hand you want to sell it to china or India then you will surely go home hungry and penniless.

p.s. Islamic "oh-i-see" countries don't even come close. Their combined budget barely makes it to $450 billion and a collection of poverty stricken masses. Un ki to maan hi mar gai (they have nothing to offer).

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^^ Did you guys know that Pakistan had a budget surplus until Pakistan started receiving US aid in the mid fifties? :smiley:

The aid usually ends up in some general or politicians pockets so I think we need to give the aid a “laat”. Obl, why do we need aid if we are not a show shaw leftist state? Isn’t that a commie trait? :hehe: Pakistan cannot succeed unless people start becoming accountable themselves.

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The Bush administration itself has been displaying a fairly hostile & bully attitude while dealing with Pakistan since the whole saga of Afghan invasion begun. If you look at it, the bill has a very strong bipartisan support, and Republican lawmakers have been making just as strong anti-Pakistan rhetoric hence its not a matter of Dems vs GOPs.

And yes, the aid itself is not the issue. In the grandeur scheme of things, it’s more about OUR long term interests, US & EU market access among them. Even after catering to US whims for about 6 yrs since 9/11 and US invasion of Afghanistan, we haven’t been able to gain full access to US/EU market for our exports – only promises & do more lectures. This is where government really needs to stand up and display some courageous behavior. No one is going to bombard us back into stone age. It’s the defeated & slave like mentality of our ruling elite – be it military or political leadership, due to which we’re still kowtowing to the dictation of foreign powers and getting kicked around.

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You’re right that in general we as a nation & as a country don’t have much presence on international stage, but in the given regional geo-political situation, we could had had the US by its balls. But unfortunately we opted to bend over backward with such a servile deference that it even took the US by total surprise.

In international politics, every nation looks out for its best interest and if that means short changing your friends of today, so be it. Yesterday’s enemies could be your today’s new strategic partners. So milk the cow for all its worth while feeding it enough so that it won’t stop giving milk. This how Musharraf should have dealt with the US.

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My first reaction is that I was pissed off at American backstabbing. But to think carefully, I feel that our Generals and ISI need a kick in the backside to finally abandon the policy of maintaining ties with groups like Talibans and jihadis. We started supporting the Talibans in the mid-1990s and same time we started helping Afghan-veteran jihadis to tackle India in Held Kashmir. Since then both Afghanistan and Kashmir are worse for Pakistan. Afghanistan is now anti-Pakistan and Kashmir is nowhere close to being liberated. Infact, we have been forced to abandon even calls for plebisicite.

It's a shame things have to come to this stage but that has been our fate from day one. Even China is angry at us for this. Talibans and jihadis have caused more harm than good. It is time to clean them out. What use is strategic depth when our own people cannot go to markets without fears of getting blown to bits?

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I am not sure why some people will look at Pakistan's relations with US and find more conflicts than the actual number.

Why is it so? If you are talking about "real" hostility and "real" conflict look at US-China relationship. China a commie state gives and gives on the issues of Hong Kong, Maccau, and Taiwan. US aircraft carriers make regular and intimidating trips on the issue of Taiwan.

And still you don't hear a squeak from China while it serves Wal Mart 24/7.

If China is not a sufficient example, Pakistanis should look at the way Japanese were nuked, and yet the same Japanese moved 180 degrees and still serve Uncle Sam in the most respectful manner. BTW Japan is $1600 billion budget country (as opposed to $26 billion of Pakistan).

Japan has the capacity to standup and yet Japanese support Americans wherever they are asked. Iraq? you see Japanese army even when Japanese constitution (written by USA) puts severe restrictions on Japanese.

We on the other hand are fed and clothed by Uncle Sam, but heavens would fall if a minor US official makes a statement. Our Lefties start singing a chorus of Uncle Sam Murdabad and all hell breaks lose.

Barking at uncle sam, or cursing our own government on US-Pak issues is akin to a senile old village mai (old women) who curses at the dog, her daughter-in-law, god, and angels.

Let's be mature and act as a country that is humble, respectful, and willing to contribute towards global peace, security, and prosperity.

If arch enemies from just 50+ years ago can form strong bonds, I wonder what stops us to ignore minor things.

Billions of dollars and you call it hostile attitude? Wah bhai wah. Durjan laddu khanay kai baad be itney talkhi (Still bitter-mouth after eating the whole box of chocolates)?

Oh Saint Ji, American election politics means people have to look strong. There is a lot of give and take in American politics.

I don't know where you live Saint Ji. Our budgeted spending went up from $16 billion to $26 billion during this time. That's a huge jump by any standards even when we haven't added new services or manufacturing in our exports. We are still relying on old cotton based exports.

Both US and UK have opened up their markets and our industrialists have made good money. That means we made good money.

You know your complaints are so odd the way Pakistanis complain about slow US-Visa process in Islamabad. You know those poor diplomats who are there to serve Pakistanis are hounded like enemies. They don't dare stepping out of their home. Big hotels like Marriott are not safe for them. We put these diplomats under house arrest due to Mullahtic behavior, and then complain and complain, just like senile village mai.

Ok this brings about feelings that are so common in Pakistani leftie media especially Urdu media.

What you really mean by "standing up" and "courageous behavior" is what Mullah types do all over the world. You want to see this "standing up", go to Mogadeshu and hear what Islamists say there.

However Mogadeshu is not a shiny role model for Karachi! Or is it?

Large and respectable countries like Pakistan must not make bombastic statements. Yes one day if our aircraft carriers are parked next to Faulklands or any other island, we probably can "stand up". Right now it is time to take a deep breath, sit down, and work! (for wal mart or microsoft or what ever Sam brings over).

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but in the end it's never Pakistan's decision...:(

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Haris bhai why a sad face?

I am sure you know "Tali do hath say bajti hai" (Translation: you need two to tango).

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The fact is that Bush has been protecting Musharraf for far too long and we have a lot of blame on our side for not taking the reality seriously. Let’s face it, our utility to Americans is primarily in terms of the “war on terror.” What geniuses advising Musharraf thought they could take US aid and praises but still “preserve” the Taliban option?!

To put it crudely, we are like a dog catcher. We took money from a house owner promising to catch mad dogs in the neighborhood but we thought we could keep delaying the dog catching and milking the people for more money. BAD IDEA! Sooner or later the people who pay the money are going to ask for results.

Did Musharraf’s “kitchen cabinet” think that Pakistan was getting the aid because of the tasty Biryani and Qorma we feed American officials during their visits here?:halo:

Anyway, I hope our GHQ sees the reality. This is not like Pressler amendment because nukes were necessary for our survival unlike the use of the Talibans and jihadis. Let’s clean up our mess before there is another terrorist attack in America. If we wait too late and an attack happens, not even our nukes will save us from ruin.

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Good analogy JB! We caught about 400 mad dogs already. There may be few more left, but the work is ongoing and dogs are committing suicide like Soodha terror.

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A few thoughts about some of preceding arguements.. not many people outside of pakistan view last 6 years of 'cooperation' by pakistan as such. It is seen as involuntary compliance forced on by USA with a goody bag of threats and some candy. Many see it as grossly inadequate repairation for the terrorist acts perpetrated by pakistan sponsored militia and agencies. . If anyone talks to a US reporter or military or politician they will know how much disrespect and disgust they all seem to have for pakistan based on 2 thoings - terrorist training and aq khan proliferation. Atleast until recently they used to hide these sentiments in public by using the phrase 'partner and front line state' etc. Now they don't even bother hiding it. Obama just this week said whether pakistan likes it or not, he will attack inside pakistan if he feels it will help and necessary.2 words - vassal state.

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People outside is very broad and thus inaccurate statement. If you mean by "people outside" as Sri Lanka, BDesh, Iran, Hamas, Fatah, or Hizbullah, then we won't give two hoots to their opinion.

The groups that really matter in this thread are US Republicans Leadership vs. US-Democratic leadership.

US Republican leadership from Eisenhower to Reagan to Prez. Bush **favor Pakistan.

**US Democratic leadership from Carter to Clinton to Obomba **do not support Pakistan.

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