RAW or ISI

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Indians all over the world and working to death to get ISI declared as a rogue agency… somehow indians claim that ISI is out of the control and it functions on its own… ISI is held responsible for all the terrorist activities in and out of Pakistan…

It makes me wonder if this all shouting by our “loving” neighbourhood is because they want to hide their own bad-doings… RAW is involved in de-stablizing its neighbours.. Srilankan rebels are getting help from India, Nepalese Royal Family was killed and the threads go to Delhi, Bangladesh itself is created by RAW’s conspiracy… China is being affected by them…

Since RAW has launched its 12/14 Consulates on Pak-Afghan Border, the taliban or Al-Qaida terrorist, have increased their activities.. these so called jihadies hit Pakistani Forces, they hit NATO-US forces but they seldom get engage in any battle with Indian Forces present in Afghanistan.. ever wonder y?

None of these consulates were ever targeted by these Jihadies ( once a blast here and there can be a human error), although jihadies for some reason hate Non-Muslims but they seems to have sme kind of love for these consulates..

2ndly since the establishment of these consulates.. BLA has been more active then ever.. BLA, it is evident that BLA is getting their support from Afghanistan.. who is supporting them from Afghanistan???

RAW either it is acting on govt. policies which is to destroy all the neighbours or if this is not the case then they are the real rogue element in Subcontinent and maybe the cause of FINAL ROUND between two nuclear states… India have to control its agency.. and need to re-direct them to solve their internal issues…

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Re: RAW or ISI

Actually, last year (or this year) an Indian consulate in Afghanistan did get bombed and killed an IA Brigadier (i think). The blame by India, ironically, landed directly on to ISI.

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^^ I think it was in Kabul, that consulate seems to have logic.. but the consulates on Pak-Afghan Border makes no sense...

Anyway the way RAW acts, killing one or two high levels doesn't make any difference... the can benefit from it saying that ISI did it...

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Not just India, but Afghanistan also blamed ISI/Pak.

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Are they different? I mean spokesmen of India and Afghanistan?

Fact of the matter is that RAW is not as paweetar as most of the Indians think (or pretend) it is. Yeah its agents are a bit more ni-kum-may than ISI

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If I were to go based off some of the posts in this thread, the entire world is united against Pakistan and other terrorist groups.

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Their work is so good that even so called super powers are afraid of it, their great game can’t be completed or move ahead if ISI will not be dismantle.

1) ISI is not involved in destabilizing neighbors?

2) Srilankan fight is all about having influence, Indians are support rebels & Pakistani are supporting government. Lets get the popcorn and watch the show.
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3)** RAW has only 20% hand in creating Bangladesh rest was done by us. Watch the yesterday Bolta Pakistan, it will open your eyes.

1) India is using so called Jihadi’s against Pakistan, one more proof that these so called Islamists/talibans/al-qaeda/real-muslim are not receiving anything from angels, its all done by before ISI + CIA now ..Raw + Khad + Cia ..who knows how many more..

2) I don’t know how much influence Pakistan have in Afghanistan now, but its truly reducecd in few years. But i won’t blame this on ISI, half of the world is in AFghanistan still ISI progress is hard to beat.

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1) ISI is not involved in destabilizing neighbors?
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#So what was Hamid Gul saying about destabilizing India.
ISI role ( together with cia) to destabilize Afghanistan is legendary isnt it.

2) Srilankan fight is all about having influence, Indians are support rebels & Pakistani are supporting government. Lets get the popcorn and watch the show.
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indians dont support rebels. If they had the support then Sri lankan army will not be a match for the rebels. Pakistan has hardly any influence in SriLanka.

3)** RAW has only 20% hand in creating Bangladesh rest was done by us. Watch the yesterday Bolta Pakistan, it will open your eyes.

1) India is using so called Jihadi’s against Pakistan, one more proof that these so called Islamists/talibans/al-qaeda/real-muslim are not receiving anything from angels, its all done by before ISI + CIA now ..Raw + Khad + Cia ..who knows how many more..
# So cia fight the taliban in Afghanistan and supply arms in Pakistan. Is that what you say. But isnt your govt. or army who have been making peace deals with Pakistani taleban.

2) I don’t know how much influence Pakistan have in Afghanistan now, but its truly reducecd in few years. But i won’t blame this on ISI, half of the world is in AFghanistan still ISI progress is hard to beat.

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Hello ankhein hain ya buttons ? Where i said ISI Is not involved in destabilizing neighbors ?

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Indians dont support rebels. If they had the support then Sri lankan army will not be a match for the rebels. Pakistan has hardly any influence in SriLanka.

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Come up with source that India don't support rebels in sri lanka. Pakistan actively supported Sri Lanka militarily and we are continue to do so. We have more influence on Sri Lanka then India have on nepal.

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# So cia fight the taliban in Afghanistan and supply arms in Pakistan. Is that what you say. But isnt your govt. or army who have been making peace deals with Pakistani taleban.
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duh ?

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This is not about RAW is more lethal or ISI. Both are agencies that need to use "dirty tricks" and associate with all sorts of sordid groups.

Baat RAW ya ISI ke "karamaat" key naheen hain. Baat yeh hai ki aap kitne mulkoN se pangay letein hain.

RAW key tanzeemon to kisee aik mulk key andar masroof hain, jaise LTTE. Lekin apne ISI ke pasandida jihadi tanzeemon to sabsay pangay letein hein na? Jaish-e-Mohammad ya Lashkar-e-Tayba key jihadi to duniya key har eik konay mein pakRay gayen hain.

So who will the world be more worried about? It is not about morals or right or wrong. People see Mumbai attack and think, oh-crap, didn't some LeT guy get caught in London? Are we in trouble next? They associate Pakistani jihadi with ISI and complete the picture.

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sorry. I thought you said ISI are angels and mind their own business in Pakistan.

Oh really. So what kind of influence does Pakistan have oven SriLanka. Will SriLanka support Pakistan in international forums.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | India’s Sri Lankan predicament
Get a perspective about Indias involvment with the rebels and SriLnakan govt.

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Great going, friends like you who needs enemy…

There ISI in the topic title , i knew few of the Pakistani will rush here to say that no no, ISI is the worst of all.

The point of disucssion is, If ISI is devil then RAW is even bigger devil,

I think you need to review the history of Bangladesh, Mukti Bahni was terrorist then, and guess who used to train them? now please don’t blame it on ISI as ISI was not there yet.

In South Asia, RAW was first to use cross border terrorism against neighbour countries, ISI just follwed the lead, and may have introduced few reforms…yet no body speaks about RAW’s innovation…

When is say jihadies are from these Consulates of RAW, then i mean they get their ammunation, their Moral & Material support from them, BLA is another version of Mukti Bahni again created by RAW, if you want to close our eyes and blame everything on ISI then its yoru problem.

The point is RAW has done more damages to its neighbours then any one else have done in whole world.

Still ISI is named as bad guys and people you accuse them for all the bad deeds, tell me what should ISI do or react when they know that BLA is funded and trained by RAW, what should they do when they arrest 2/3 spies of RAW in the period of 3 months.. sit there and wait…

ISI do what ever it takes to protect Pakistan, people like extra ordinary intelligence just see it and call it BAD i wonder y…

Isn’t it strange that no Indian replied to this thread but Pakistanies like are posting for them

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I do not agree with firenze but we all are here to express our viewpoints. Just because someone doesn't agree with your definition of whats right and whats wrong for the country, doesn't mean you have to label them as Indian proxies.

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I don't have my head under the sand. All i can get from your reply is "ISI is an angel" ... I disagree totally with this notion, its a intelligence agency its her duty to safe guard Pakistan interest's no matter whatever the price is.. and also it doesn't matter what kind of tactics they are using. They are doing it by suicide attacks, assassinations, drugs, etc, it doesn't matter to me.

All the agencies in the world are named as bad guys, and ISI is not exception. By the way RAW was formed after ISI... didn't remember the exact date but the difference is 15-18 years. Anyway raw was formed after the 1965 war & ISI which was filled with (at that time) agents with dreams of taking over India. But after the failure of Operation Gibralter (which also was a reason of 1965 war) most of these agents come back to their senses.

Welcome to real world, we are not angels. !