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Hayden has Gilchrist, Saeed had Sohail, Raja and Afridi as his partners. Sohail was the only one who could score consistently with him. I think Anwar had to carry most of these openers along with him. I am not taking anything away from Mathew, he is an exceptional player.

Anwar, after the death of his daughter wasn't the same player again. Still left on a graceful note.

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pakistan v world at the oval it was a pleasure being ther and watching Brian Lara and Tendulkar opening.......

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:smiley:

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I think its just khush-fehmi to think we will suddenly get a world-class opener so I am giving them ratings based on whats available in Pakistan cricket right now (at least those who I have seen play). 10 being slam-dunk for inclusion in Pakistan's current test team, 1 means keep looking.

Butt: 8
After his wonderful performance in India, he is pretty much a slam-dunk for now. If Australia rolls-over him in March, then his rating will drop again. Jury is out whether he can play on fast and bouncy wickets, since he has a propensity to provide catching practice to 'keeper and slip fielders.

Yasir: 3
Didn't do anything to impress us in India series.

Taufeeq: N/A
After opting to play for ICL, remains to be seen if he is even considered for Pak test team. In the larger scheme of things, doesn't matter, bcz IMO he is not worth wasting time. The one who break-dances before playing any shot and a poor opener to boot. At best, he will get a 2 or a 3.

Akmal: 5
I don't think he is a great batsman or technically correct. Its a pity that he is now deemed as one of the more reliable batsmen in our test team (says more about the rest than about him). Fairly good on flat pitches, but only till the other team figures him out. He'll get out on the most ordinary deliveries. Not a long term bet by any stretch.

Hafeez: 3
Poor technique catches on. And in Pakistan team, its probably infectuous.

Farhat: N/A
Same as Taufeeq Umer (above) re: ICL. If he is avaiable for selection than he has a decent chance. Throws irraational tantrums all the time and has very poor temperament, though. I'll give him a 2 or a 3.

Nazir: 3
Tulla to the extreme. Bad technique. Not worth wasting our time.

Afridi: 7
Very ordinary technique and relies on brute force. Will frustrate us 10 out of 11 times (or 24 out of 25 - depending on the kind of pitches and opposition). But if the choice is between him and rest of the bozos, then lets get him. Brings excitement to the game, and is otherwise a fantastic addition to the team (as a bowler and a fielder and a general motivator).

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Nazir has a bad technique? Thats news to me. Even Boycott has been praising him and his technique since he saw him the first time play.
I think you mistaken yasir for nazir.

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If he had good technique he'd be playing for Pakistan. Or may be he is just unlucky (to the extreme) :)

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^Bhai, the dilemma of PCB selection has still to end and It's on for couple of years now. Or do you agree with every decision they have made so far.

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The few times I have seen Imran Nazir bat, he didn't give me any comfort feeling at all. If he had put on runs on the board on a consistent basis (or even semi-consitent basis), no one can kick him out of the team. Before placing this on the foots of PCB's bad selection policies (again) can someone post what is Imran Nazir's test record anyway??

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Hold on, I'm refering to ODI Cricket not Test. And we never gave him as many chances as we gave players like Salman, Afridi, Hafeez and Akmal.

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I am not defending Nazir.... but you gave Butt 8 and Afridi 7?

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You know how much I love Butt :p but at least he has performed lately. Can't say the same about Yasir/Nazir/Taufeeq/etc. Afridi is in a different league. If we are going to be 9 for 1 anyway, may as well get Afridi.

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I don't wanna know about that ** plugging ears, shutting eyes **. Butt performed lately.... Hint: India..... Next in line: Autralia, ouch.

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^ I said pretty much the same thing above in my first post.

Unlike some people who expect an overnight UPS delivery of Pakistani Brian Lara to fill our opening dilemma, I look at available players who have a realistic chance of playing test cricket for Pakistan and gave my ratings on a relative scale. Butt will rate higher than pretty much anyone else on the list right now. IMO, it speaks more about the woeful talent pool we have at this time, rather than about Butt, actually.

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Additionally, PCB not giving chances to anyone other than a shortlisted pool of idiots.

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Opener is a very important position as they set the tone for the innings. A confident pair of openers reflects the team's morale and trust in themselves. I do not think that I find our openers particularly nervous in the start, on the contrary I find them very confident, infact slightly over confident. May be thats what hurting them. They overestimate themselves, which they should not, considering that the last 100 runs opening stand was probably a decade ago. We have players who had amazing debuts (like Hameed, Hafeez etc) followed by a below-par career. It almost seems like experience is hurting them, as silly as it sounds. Imran Nazir's technique was praised by Ganguly when he was new. so why he is not able to built on it, I would never understand. While ours is a inconsistant outfit, the only consistent thing is the opening stand which never fails to disappoint.

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True. Although I frequently chuckle at Mr Abbasi’s blog entries, and have little regard for Aamir Sohail as a person, I do think this article provides an interesting insight into the role of Selection Committee. This blog is a bit dated, and of course Sallu is now the Chief Selector, but seems Sallu is also averse to taking risks just like Bari was, and keeps recycling old hags.

http://blogs.cricinfo.com/pakspin/archives/the_team_sheet/

Where are the new hopes of Pakistan cricket, Mr Bari?

Like water torture he keeps drip dripping away. Wasim Bari–once Pakistan’s overrated wicketkeeper and now an even more overrated chairman of selectors–has managed to see off more administrators and cricketers than can be good for Pakistan cricket. Bari, Pakistan’s Teflon, once drew his inspiration from his friend and writer Omar Kurieshi. You wonder where he seeks ideas now? You can’t imagine that his fellow selectors, including the legendary Ehteshamuddin, the Test cricket misfit who was barely able to stagger off the pitch at Headingley, offer much in the way of piercing insights. If people are paid what they are worth then it’s possibly understandable that Pakistan’s selectors remain unpaid.

The problem with being in post for too long is that people can predict your patterns of behaviour. Bari, we know pretty well, has a penchant for recalling once-great-hopes and sticking with other once-great-hopes well past their sell-by date. What many have feared in Bari is that he has a natural reluctance to take a risk, an inability to see beyond the obvious selection and pluck a star from relative obscurity.

The educated gambles that have brought Pakistan cricket the riches of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and Inzamam-ul Haq have all but disappeared. You might make an argument that these educated gambles should not supersede the aspirants who have emerged successfully through the system. But the Pakistan system of developing international cricketers is so haphazard and unreliable that an educated gamble might well be as good as observing somebody’s stunning run in domestic cricket. But to make an educated gamble succeed you require sound judgement.

To begin to gamble you need to begin to take risks, and Bari doesn’t strike me as a man who risks much. The most recent influx of new blood into the Pakistan team–Mohammad Asif apart–came during Aamir Sohail’s tenure as chairman of selectors. Aamir had his own failings but an aversion to risk taking was not among them.

This West Indies series, for instance, must have been worth an educated gamble? With Pakistan’s batting in urgent need of a future star it beggars belief that Shahid Yousuf was not given the opportunity of a home debut. By all accounts, he has the potential to make it in international cricket and, whisper it quietly, he plays straight. This series would seem to be an ideal launch pad.

This is not to dismiss Yasir Hameed’s selection, one of the many lost talents of the Bari era. Indeed, Yasir’s opportunity offers hope to aspiring cricketers in Pakistan’s remote northern villages where there is abundant talent but pitiful opportunity to display it–his village is a few kilometres beyond my family village of Bakote. You might imagine that the selectors could have found room for both Yasir and Shahid?

Add to this the feeble, venom-free, bowling line up that Pakistan have conjured up–the last time I saw Samiullah Niazi in action he was failing to take part in a net session for no good reason–and you can understand why Brian Lara is licking his lips and Pakistan supporters are underwhelmed with anticipation for the forthcoming series.

After a catalogue of disasters and unending misery, Pakistan cricket required some new hopes, instead Bari and co delivered the same old water torture, the same old bankruptcy of ideas.

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Latest poll numbers are

Yasir 18.9
Taufeeq 18.3
Akmal 20.9
Hafeez 18.9
Farhat 16.4
Nazir 31.1
Butt 42.5
Afridi 33.5
Malik 17.6

leaders so far are
Butt 42.5
Afridi 33.5
Nazir 31.1

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Bari's policy is "Bari Bari" or give turns to old horses

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Salman Butt (4.0)....he needs to be consistent and score runs other places besides India

We still need to find another opener to complement Salman. Everyone they have tried has been inconsistent. Keep trying new players til we find someone who is consistent and has class written all over him. In other words, Afridi, Hameed, Taufeeq, Nazir, Farhat, Hafeez etc should not be tried again and again.

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Salman Butt 42.5 is people's choice and now after his successfull bangladesh series, it seems he may be the opener we were looking for.