RANKINGS

cheetah · February 13, 2006, 2:53pm

irfan pathan is there no
abdul razzaq
shahid afridi
shoaib malik

i bet gavaskar made this decision

dhobi_bhai · February 13, 2006, 2:58pm

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And rightfully, yes. Irfan demonstrated his skills plentiful during the previous Lankan and Pakistan test series that he is an all-rounder (at least at this point in time), hence the placement in the list.

On another note, me thinks tees karoor rupees are missing from the Indian treasury department. :p

Nikki.M · February 13, 2006, 3:21pm

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Yea, Irfan's been pretty dependable for India lately, while the same can't be said for Afridi and gang.

maihu_don · February 14, 2006, 2:22am

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besides this for some time now, he is most consistant and reliable indian batsman .....

The_Curmudgeon · February 14, 2006, 2:36am

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don’t worry bhaijan. I’ll create a alU Rounder list and guess who’ll top that one?

jandali · February 14, 2006, 2:42am

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well this is test ranking

kambakht · February 14, 2006, 4:24am

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I think Razzaq definitely needs to be in that list...Need to get Vettori out of there...

jandali · February 14, 2006, 5:01am

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when did vertorri scored 50

Nancy_Drew · February 14, 2006, 7:37am

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which ranking is this?malik is at no. 4 in ODI allrounders ranking n pathan at no.5

cheetah · February 14, 2006, 9:42am

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its the icc official 1
r there any pakistani's in the icc

umer.ashraf · February 14, 2006, 4:00pm

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Pathan improved his batting and he deserves to be there. But at least one of the 3 regular Pak all-rounders (Afridi, Malik, Razzaq) deserved to be there. And PCB must try to reserve a place for 2 emerging Pak all-rounders (Rana and Akhter).

Anyway I guess Bret Lee is going to top this list shortly. (He has improved dramatically with his bat (though I doubt it), he is the fastest bowler in Aus, and is declared an all-rounder. He can easily score 10-20 runs per innings.) Symonds will (also) find his position in danger I guess.

The_Curmudgeon · February 14, 2006, 11:09pm

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bla blabla ....simple fact is Pathan has higher edge in bowling over Afridi and others listed than Afridi and others have over Pathan in batting.

Plus it's only been short time .... time will tell but by the time it tells, who cares anyway!

Faisal · February 14, 2006, 11:37pm

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Well, I guess the point is not whether Irfan is a better all-rounder than Afridi or whoever. But more importantly, what criteria is ICC using to filter out all off world's all-rounders to a grand total of 5. On their website (ICC or LG) I am not sure if they disclose what's the criteria for being considered an "all rounder". Is there? Whats it?

HomiD · February 14, 2006, 11:50pm

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Pathan is ranked 4th as an all rounder not as a bowler.

In the top 10 we have 3 batsmen, thats something to be proud of. Neither India or Australia has 3 in the Top 10. [http://www.cricketratings.com]

» Batsmen
1 Ricky Ponting AUS
2 Jacques Kallis SA
3 Brian Lara WI
4 Matthew Hayden AUS
5 Inzamam-ul-Haq PAK
6 Rahul Dravid IND
7 Younis Khan PAK
8 Mohammad Yousuf PAK
9 Virender Sehwag IND
10 Marcus Trescothick ENG

fair_balance · February 15, 2006, 12:23am

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Yes there is a criteria .It can be debated if it is flowed or not.
Basically they have very scientific way of ranking bastman and bowlers where total rankign point is based on following criterias.

Most recent performance is given higher weightage.
Quality of opposition also plays major role. A hunderd against AUS will give you mor epoint than a hundred against Bangadesh.
Pitch condition plays a big role. A hunder is a game where evey lalu has scored a hundered doesnt give you to many points. But a hundred in a game where no one scored a 50 will give you high points.
1. Out / Not out plays major role.
2. For bowlers wickets/run conceded plays big role.

Now coming to All rounder ranking... I think it is calculated by multiplaying Your Batting rating with bowling rating. So if you are very good in batting then it covers up for your weak bowing record. This is the reason Kallis is still a top ranked all rounder.

Raindance · February 15, 2006, 12:47am

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I don’t buy it!

Lately with ICC any thing that has Ind in it has to be biased. No pun intended.

I never had Shahid Afridi as my trump, but one must not forget his records for batting and crucial partnership breaking wickets plus he has been on the scene tripple the time of Pathan’s arrival.

And where are the other names ?

This is like contesting an indian ‘Beauty Peagent’ with ‘Ugandan Booty Peagents’,

fair_balance · February 15, 2006, 12:51am

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First of all dont mix Test performance with ODI performance. Let me know which one you are talkign about..Once we know this we can discuss details.

Raindance · February 15, 2006, 1:13am

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Fair bhaya , I am not referring to any version of the game. I’m simply amazed
due to the fact that Shahid Afrid has been “Recently & reluctantley” been labeled as a “test cricketer” not that I agree with it, his ODI standings
have been ligit as an ‘All rounder’ plus I’m a lazy sod when it come to research,

Faisal · February 15, 2006, 1:43am

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I read all the boiler-plate they have for ranking batsmen and bowlers. Which is all fine. The website is strangely silent on how they define "all-rounders", so its left as a guessing game. So for them to just come up with 5 "all-rounders" essentially doesn't mean much, unless they define the criteria.

The_Curmudgeon · February 15, 2006, 2:26am

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Ok - let's just decide what conclusions you guys want to come to and then we can find a set of criteria that will ensure those conclusions.

After all verdict first, trial later has been the matra in certain realms