Can a diabetic patient dependent on Insulin fast?
All reserach done online points to yes. even the non-religious/medical information out there says fasting for a diabetic is acceptable and may even help them manage the disease IF the dosages are adjusted and careful monitoring.
Im sure most of u know, with diabetes, u have to check ur sugar every few hours. My question is, Will checking sugar break the fast?
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
This is a very hard question.
See needle poking for a drop of blood doesn't break the fast, just the wudhoo. The insulin is the real issue. Perhaps if that can be taken at sehri and after iftaar it is OK...
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
No no .. insulin can be also taken . a shot of any kind does not break the fast.
No no .. insulin can be also taken . a shot of any kind does not break the fast.
Different scholars have different opinions but as far as I've heard only IV (intravenous ) injections break the fast if they were for the purpose of nourishment however others like SC (subcutaneous or intramuscular ) or IM don't ! ***
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
Any injection that has a connection to the Digestive system .. ie. to Fulfil the point of medicine, to affect the ''me'dah'' that injection isnt allowed and wud break the fast ... - Hanafi Ruling. :)
oh i wanted to add.. any injection that is injected into the blood stream no matter what it is .. Will break the Roza.
So if someone was to have any injection like morphine etc ..have it before Roza or after warna toot jaaey ga.
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
^ Have a morphine jab for sahur and drop a couple of amphetamines for iftar!
Not only will you not feel hungry, but your time will pass very fast also ... :)
Astaghfirullah
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
You could argue that as Insulin's function is to shove glucose into the cells, it technically assists with "nourishment" as it "nourishes" your cells. And therefore it would not be allowed.
From my understanding, fasting would throw off blood sugar levels to fluctuate more in the 24 hour period, and if its puting a person at risk for hypoglycemia and/or hyperglycemia (like at Iftari), its best not done.
I dont know of any data that assesses whether someone's a1c would be off after 1 month of fasting, so don't really know.
My father is diabetic, but not insulin dependent. Everyone suggested he not fast, just in case it screws over the sugar balance. But if you really want to do it, you have to make sure the insulin injections or your medications are taken during a time around when you're having your meals, as oppose to, for example, noon...when you wont have another meal intake until maybe 8 pm.
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
Also, depends on your symptoms. If you can pull the fast without any symptoms its one thing. I know my dad gets symptoms by like 4 pm by not eating. So, it stands to reason, if you are feeling "sick" from keeping the fast, and its medically deemed necessary that abstaining from fasting is the only way you dont feel "sick", then you dont need to keep the fast. Who knows really. God knows best.
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
^ Peace PyariCgudia
These recent thoughts of yours have made me think that should insulin be given to diabetics as a result to make them"operate normally" then it follows that just that much insulin, timing and all be given such that it results in a normal person operating as (s)he would whilst fasting.
Not that I am advocating the harder option but thought the idea to have insulin is to maintain a normal life, the physiological idea of fasting is to push that norm to a tighter tolerance. It therefore might be possible to configure the intake such that a tighter tolerance is achieved without making it any more dangerous than a normal fast for a normal person.
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
k im confused.
insulin shot after sehri okay or not okay? yes, or no please.
as far as i know, mostly symptoms of low sugar are obvious and quick... consistent high sugar doesnt' show as many quick symptoms but does more long term damage. but thats a sep discussion i guess
Re: Ramadan and Diabetic
Sara can u read urdu? i will give information about this in urdu...
People!
What a terrible argumentative discussion?
The rules of fasting other ibadah etc. are all very very simple.
If you are too sick/week to do ibadah, then don't follow the regular style of that ibadah.
If someone is sick, they don't have to fast (period).
It is insane to argue over insulin injection going to a cell or directly to your stomach.
Listen to PCG. She has a good real-life case.
You could argue that as Insulin's function is to shove glucose into the cells, it technically assists with "nourishment" as it "nourishes" your cells. And therefore it would not be allowed.
From my understanding, fasting would throw off blood sugar levels to fluctuate more in the 24 hour period, and if its puting a person at risk for hypoglycemia and/or hyperglycemia (like at Iftari), its best not done.
I dont know of any data that assesses whether someone's a1c would be off after 1 month of fasting, so don't really know.
My father is diabetic, but not insulin dependent. Everyone suggested he not fast, just in case it screws over the sugar balance. But if you really want to do it, you have to make sure the insulin injections or your medications are taken during a time around when you're having your meals, as oppose to, for example, noon...when you wont have another meal intake until maybe 8 pm.
There is a famous hadees innamal amaloo binniyaat . The deeds depend on intentions.
The intention here is not to fill the stomach or curb the hunger. The intention is to keep a patient's sugar level stable to minimize the damage a diabetic would suffer from in case he/she misses that insulin shot.
I am diabetic , but not insulin dependent. For a couple of years I did not fast as people told me I did not have to . Then I did my own research and I have been fast for many years without suffering any kind of complications.