while praying…
does this apply for women as well?
post references plz.
JazakAllah
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u mean while doing sajda?
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does Islam differentiate between prayers for men and women??? 
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Yes there is difference in posture for Women and Men. Men are ordered to keep their bodies open and womens are ordered to keep their body close to other parts for the sake of Aurah.
Noemally women should do Sajdah in a way that their arms are close to body and albows touch their ribs from the sides, it should not touch ground. This is reference to a Hadith that Sajdah is on Seven bones two feet, two knees, two hands and a face.
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Noemally women should do Sajdah in a way that their arms are close to body and albows touch their ribs from the sides, it should not touch ground. This is reference to a Hadith that Sajdah is on Seven bones two feet, two knees, two hands and a face.
Please provide appropriate references.
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AnGeL EyEs, yes, it applies equally to women for there is no difference in man and a woman’s prayer.
The following is a fatwa that I looked up. It states that there is no difference in prayer and if a woman happens to be praying where there are men around (such as at Kabaa), then she should be more careful.
Praise be to Allaah.
Some of the scholars are of the view that men and woman should pray differently, and they quote a number of ahaadeeth as evidence for that, but these are all da’eef (weak) and cannot be taken as evidence.
See the answer to question no. 9276.
But the correct view is that there is no difference in the way men and women pray.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen said, refuting the view of the fuqaha’ that “women should not spread their arms out, rather they should keep them close to their sides and when they prostrate they should press their stomachs to their thighs and their thighs to their calves… because they should conceal themselves, and compressing themselves is more concealing than spreading out.” Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This may be answered in several ways:
1 – This reason cannot stand up against the general meaning of the texts which indicate that women are like men with regard to rulings, especially since the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Pray as you have seen me praying,” and this is addressed in general terms, including both men and women.
2 – This reason is redundant because usually, as is prescribed, women pray alone in their houses with no men present. In that case there is no need for them to compress themselves, so long as no men can see them.
3 – You say that she raises her hands, and raising the hands is more likely to uncover than spreading the arms when prostrating. But despite that you say that it is Sunnah for her to raise her hands, because the basic principle is that the rulings apply equally to men and women.
The correct view is:
Women should do the same things that men do in the prayer, so they should raise their hands and spread their arms out when prostrating, and make their backs level when bowing and lift their stomachs up off their thighs, and their thighs up off their calves, when prostrating… they should sit on the left foot with the right foot held upright when sitting between the two prostrations and in the first tashahhud. In the last tashahhud of the prayer there is only one tashahhud, and they should sit mutawarrikan (with the left upper thigh on the ground and both feet protruding from one (the right) side) during the final tashahhud of three- and four-rak’ah prayers.
There are no exceptions for women in any of these matters.
Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 3/304, 303
Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, at the end of his book Sifat Salaat al-Nabi (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (The Prophet’s Prayer Described):
“All that has been mentioned of the description of the Prophet’s prayer (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) applies equally to men and women, for there is nothing in the Sunnah to necessitate the exception of women from any of these descriptions; in fact, the generality of his statement (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), ‘Pray as you have seen me praying’, includes women”
If we assume that a woman is praying in a public place where men may see her, such as in the Haram in Makkah, or in a park – if she has to pray there – then she should be careful with regard to every action that may lead to uncovering any part of her, and take extra precautions in this case. And Allaah knows best.
Ref: Is there a difference in the way men and women prostrate?
Here’s another one that you might want to go through:
The way in which women pray is the same as the way in which men pray
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thanks for the links Sadiyah
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Noemally women should do Sajdah in a way that their arms are close to body and albows touch their ribs from the sides, it should not touch ground. This is reference to a Hadith that Sajdah is on Seven bones two feet, two knees, two hands and a face.
reference plz
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This is a good site: *read all the articles based on the issue.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3731
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Here are some Hadith supporting what I wrote earlier.
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “When a woman sits in Salaat, she should place the thighs (of one leg) upon the other and when she makes sajdah, she should attach her belly to her thigh so that it is as concealing as possible. For indeed Allah Ta'ala looks at her saying: ‘O my angels I make you witness that I have indeed forgiven her’.” Baihaqi Vol.2 Pg.223)
Waail bin Hujr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) says that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “O Waail, when you commence the Salaat, lift your hands in line with your ears and women should (only) lift it in line with the chest (shoulders).” Kanzul Umaal Vol.7 Pg.307)
In another narration, it is stated that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passed by two women who were performing Salaat. He said: “When you make sajdah, attach your body to the ground. Indeed women are not like men in this matter.” (i.e. they differ in the posture of sajdah). Maraasil of Imaam Abu Dawood (R.A))
Regarding Sajdah on Seven Bones Here are Ahadith from Bukhari.
Hadith 1.773 Narrated byIbn Abbas
The Prophet was ordered (by Allah) to prostrate on seven parts and not to tuck up the clothes or hair (while praying). Those parts are: the forehead (along with the tip of nose), both hands, both knees, and (toes of) both feet.
Hadith 1.774 Narrated byIbn Abbas
The Prophet said, "We have been ordered to prostrates on seven bones and not to tuck up the clothes or hair."
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i know thers a hadith that says tht while doin sajdah ur elbows shud b raised..so ti does not resemble a dogs.....bcuz u r praying to God
ill try to find the hadithh again
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JazakAllah
now my other question would be.....is there an actual hadith that mentions whether or not a woman is suppose to put one thigh against the other while **sitting slightly to the side **during sajdah OR can she just have have her inner thighs joined together while sitting upright...not sure if what im saying makes sense.
I see pakis sitting slightly on the side with one thigh on top of the other but i see arabs sitting with their inner thighs joined together while sitting upright..it's quite confusing.
Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar (Radhiallaahu Anhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “When a woman sits in Salaat, she should place the thighs (of one leg) upon the other and when she makes sajdah, she should attach her belly to her thigh so that it is as concealing as possible. For indeed Allah Ta'ala looks at her saying: ‘O my angels I make you witness that I have indeed forgiven her’.” Baihaqi Vol.2 Pg.223)
Waail bin Hujr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) says that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “O Waail, when you commence the Salaat, lift your hands in line with your ears and women should (only) lift it in line with the chest (shoulders).” Kanzul Umaal Vol.7 Pg.307)
In another narration, it is stated that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passed by two women who were performing Salaat. He said: “When you make sajdah, attach your body to the ground. Indeed women are not like men in this matter.” (i.e. they differ in the posture of sajdah). Maraasil of Imaam Abu Dawood (R.A))
Regarding Sajdah on Seven Bones Here are Ahadith from Bukhari.
Hadith 1.773 Narrated byIbn Abbas The Prophet was ordered (by Allah) to prostrate on seven parts and not to tuck up the clothes or hair (while praying). Those parts are: the forehead (along with the tip of nose), both hands, both knees, and (toes of) both feet.
Hadith 1.774 Narrated byIbn Abbas The Prophet said, "We have been ordered to prostrates on seven bones and not to tuck up the clothes or hair."
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lol this is hilarious .. sorry not mocking at u .. but just how people come up with such difference on their own .. :-s
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i know what u mean…i just find it so strange!
I know to some people this may seem so petty…but from my understanding one is suppose to perfect their posture during prayers and the way they do wudu otherwise it becomes makrooh.
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I thought I’d share the following:
The Sajdah Described
"He would support himself on his palms [and spread them]"85, "put his fingers together"86, and "point them towards the qiblah."87
Also, "he would put them (his palms) level with his shoulders"88, and sometimes "level with his ears"89. "He would put his nose and forehead firmly on the ground."90
He said to “the one who prayed badly”, When you prostrate, then be firm in your prostration91; in one narration: When you prostrate, put your face and hands down firmly, until all of your bones are relaxed in their proper places.92
He also used to say, "There is no prayer for the one whose nose does not feel as much of the ground as the forehead."93
"He used to put his knees and toes down firmly"94, "point with the front of the toes towards the qiblah"95, "put his heels together"96, "keep his feet upright"97, and "ordered likewise."98
Hence, these are the seven limbs on which he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would prostrate: the palms, the knees, the feet, and the forehead and nose - counting the last two as one limb in prostration, as he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: I have been ordered to prostrate (in one narration: we have been ordered to prostrate) on seven bones: on the forehead …, and he indicated by moving his hand99 around his nose, the hands (in one version: the palms), the knees and the toes, and not to tuck up100 the garments and hair.101
He also used to say, When a slave prostrates, seven limbs prostrate with him: his face, his palms, his knees and his feet.102
He said about a man who was praying with his hair tied103 behind him, His example is surely like that of someone who prays with his hands bound (behind his back).104 He also said, That is the saddle of the devil, i.e. where the devil sits, referring to the knots in the hair.105
"He would not rest his fore-arms on the ground"106, but "would raise them above the ground, and keep them away from his sides such that the whiteness of his armpits could be seen from behind"107, and also "such that if a small lamb or kid wanted to pass under his arms, it would have been able to do so."108
He would do this to such an extent that one of his Companions said, "We used to feel sorry for the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) because of the way he kept his hands away from his sides."109
He used to order likewise, saying, When you perform sajdah, place your palms (on the ground) and raise your elbows110, and Be level in sujood, and none of you should spread his fore- arms like the spreading of a dog (in one narration: like a dog spreads them)111. In a separate hadeeth, None of you should rest arms on the ground the way a dog rests them.112
He also used to say, Do not spread your arms [the way a beast of prey does], rest on your palms and keep your upper arms apart, for when you do all that, every one of your limbs prostrates with you.113
85Abu Daawood & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.
86Ibn Khuzaimah, Baihaqi & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.
87Baihaqi with a saheeh isnaad. Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/82/2) & Siraaj have related the pointing of the toes in a different narration.
88Abu Daawood & Tirmidhi, who declared it saheeh, as did Ibn al-Mulaqqin (27/2); it is given in Irwaa’ (309).
89Abu Daawood & Nasaa’i with a saheeh isnaad.
90Abu Daawood & Tirmidhi, who declared it saheeh, as did Ibn al-Mulaqqin (27/2) it is given in al-Irwaa, (309).
91 Abu Daawood & Ahmad with saheeh isnaad.
92Ibn Khuzaimah (1/10/1) with a hasan isnaad.
93Daaraqutni, Tabaraani (3/140/1) & Abu Nu`aim in Akhbaar Isbahaan.
94Baihaqi with a saheeh isnaad. Ibn Abi Shaibah (1/82/2) & Siraaj have related the pointing of the toes in a different narration.
95Bukhaari & Abu Daawood. Ibn Sad (4/157) related from Ibn Umar that he liked to point whatever of his body he could towards the qiblah when praying, even his thumbs.
96Tahaawi, Ibn Khuzaimah (no. 654) & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.
97Baihaqi with a saheeh isnaad.
98Tirmidhi & Siraaj; Haakim declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.
99This movement of the hand was deduced from the grammar of the `Arabic text. (Fath al-Baari)
100i.e. to draw them in and prevent them from being scattered, meaning to gather the garment or hair with the hands for rukoo` and sujood. (Nihaayah). This forbiddance is not only during prayer; the majority of scholars include tucking in the hair and garments before prayer in the prohibition. This is further strengthened by his forbidding men to pray with their hair tied, which follows later.
101Bukhaari & Muslim. It is given in al-Irwaa’ (310).
102Muslim, Abu `Awaanah & Ibn Hibbaan.
103i.e. tied up or plaited.
104Muslim, Abu `Awaanah & Ibn Hibbaan. Ibn al-Atheer says, “The meaning of this hadeeth is that were his hair loose, it would fall on the ground when in sajdah; hence, the man would be rewarded for the prostration of the hair. However, if the hair is tied, it is effectively as though it did not prostrate, for he compared him to someone whose hands are shackled together, since they would then not lie on the ground in sajdah.”
It would seem that this instruction is limited to men and does not apply to women, as Shawkaani has quoted from Ibn al-`Arabi.
105Abu Daawood & Tirmidhi, who declared it hasan; Ibn Khuzaimah & Ibn Hibbaan declared it saheeh. See Saheeh Abi Daawood (653).
106Bukhaari & Abu Daawood.
107Bukhaari & Muslim. It is given in Irwaa’ (359).
108Muslim, Abu `Awaanah & Ibn Hibbaan.
109Abu Daawood & Ibn Maajah with a hasan isnaad.
110Muslim & Abu `Awaanah.
111Bukhaari, Muslim, Abu Daawood & Ahmad.
112Ahmad & Tirmidhi, who declared it saheeh.
113Ibn Khuzaimah (1/80/2), al-Maqdisi in al-Mukhtaarah & Haakim, who declared it saheeh and Dhahabi agreed.