Quranic verses in praise of Imam Ali (as)

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[2:127] And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed): Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.
[2:128] Our Lord! and make us both submissive to Thee **and (raise) from our offspring a group submitting to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (with mercy), the Merciful

When Ibrahim (as) and Ismail (as) raised the foundations of the holy Kabah, they prayed to Allah to accept their service, make them both Muslims (submissive to Allah), and also make their descendants Muslims, and raise up in them a messenger who would recite to them Allah's revelation, teach them the book and the wisdom and purify them.

This prayer shows that there had always been some men and women in the progeny of Ibrahim (as) who were true Muslims, through whom the divine light of Prophet Muhammad (saww) and Ali (as) passed till it reached Abdul Muttalib. Then his two sons Abdullah and Abu Talib carried it separately. Abdullah transferred it to Muhammad (saww). and Abu Talib transferred it to Ali, the vicegerent and the successor of the Holy Prophet the first of the twelve Imams the divinely commissioned rightly guided guides for mankind. "I and Ali are from one and the same light", said the Holy Prophet

The word ummat does not always means a community or a nation. In verse 120 of al Nahl it refers to a single individual.

This prayer also shows how difficult it is to be a true Muslim. Even a distinguished prophet of Allah like Ibrahim (as) makes a request to Allah to let him remain a Muslim.

Tafseer Al Mizan on Al Baqarah, verse 128

The words translated here as submissive and submitting are muslim and its feminine muslimah respectively. Obviously, the definition of Islam, with which we are familiar, and which comes to our minds as soon as we hear the word, Islam, is just the elementary grade of servitude; it distinguishes a professed convert from the one who openly rejects the faith. This elementary Islam means professing the matters of faith and doing necessary deeds, no matter whether it is done with true belief or hypocritically. Now, Ibrahim (a.s.) was a prophet, a messenger and one of the five ulu 'l-'azm apostles, who gave us the upright faith. It is unthinkable that such a great prophet had not attained, at the time when he was praying, this most elementary grade of Islam. Likewise, his son, Ismail (a.s.), was a messenger of Allah and had been offered as sacrifice in His way. Can it be said that they had got that much Islam but were unaware of it? Or that, although they were aware of having attained to that Islam but wanted to continue on it? Just look at the context of the prayer: Those who prayed were so near to Alton; they were praying while building His Sacred House; they knew whom they were praying to, and who He was and how great His splendor is. Could they, in that position, ask for such a trivial grade from the Lord Almighty? Moreover, this grade of Islam is among those things which are within the power of man himself; and that is why man can be ordered to accept it; as Allah says: When his Lord said to him: "Be a Muslim", he said: "I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds" (2:131). Obviously, such a quality or action cannot be attributed to Allah; likewise, it is meaningless to ask from Allah to do a work which has been placed within the power of the man himself. (Of course, it may be done if there is some special condition which makes Divine interference justifiable.)

Therefore, the Islam they had asked for was not that Islam whose definition we are familiar with. Islam has many grades, as may be see in the verse quoted above: When his Lord said to him (i.e., Ibrahim): "Be a Muslim" ' he said: "I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds" (2:131). Ibrahim (a. s.) was ordered to be a Muslim at a time when he was already a Muslim. Clearly, the Islam which he was told to attain was other than the Islam he had already attained. There are many such examples in the Qur'an

This sublime grade of Islam - which we shall explain in detail later on, means total servitude, unconditional surrender of all a servant has got to his Master. No doubt it is within a man's power to prepare the conditions facilitating its attainment. Yet, when we look at an average man and the usual condition of his heart and mind, such a high standard seems beyond his power to attain. In other words, it is not possible for him - in the conditions surrounding him - to get to that sublime Islam. From this point of view that Islam is not different from other positions of al-wilayah (= friendship of Allah) and its lofty stages, or from other grades of perfection -all of them are beyond the reach of an average man, because he cannot fulfill their necessary conditions. In this sense, it is possible to count that Islam as a Divine gift, which is beyond a man's power to attain by himself. Consequently, it is perfectly right for a man to pray to Allah to bestow on him that sublime quality and make him a Muslim of that high rank.

Moreover, there is another deeper connotations: It is only actions which are attributed to man and emanate from his free will and power; as for his attributes and deep-rooted traits (which are etched on his psyche by repeated actions), they are in fact beyond his power. Therefore, they may be - or let us say, should be attributed to Allah, especially if they are good and virtuous attributes, which should better be attributed to Allah rather than to man. This observation is based on the style used in the Qur'an. For example:

"My Lord! make me keep up prayer, and from my offspring (too) " (14:40);

" . . . and join me with the good ones" (26:83);

"My Lord! grant me that I should be grateful for Thy bounty which Thou has bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I should do good such as Thou art pleased with, and make me enter, by Thy mercy, into Thy servants, the good ones" (27:19);

"Our Lord! and make us both submissive to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a group submitting to Thee" (2:128).

It is now clear that the Islam, which Ibrahim and Ismail had asked for, was something different from the Islam to which the verse 49:14 refers: The dwellers of the desert say: "We believe. " Say: "You do not believe but say: 'We submit (we accept Islam)'; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts.”

The Islam they prayed for was of a high rank and sublime grade, which we shall explain later on.

if by sunni imams u mean ppl like Ibn Tamiyaa, Abdul Wahab, Bin Baz, and the rest of the king-worship crew then u may b right.

No! i mean all sunnies like me...Hanafi sunni and other belonging to all school of thoughts we have consensus that Hazrat Ali was fourth in the que

The first Caliph was Hazrat Abou Baker Razi Ala talaa unho ( The Prophet and his Ummah Made him no 1

The Second Caliph was Hazrat Omer Razi Ala Talaa unho

The Third Caliph was Hazret Osman Razi Ala Talaa unho

The Fourth Caliphate was shared by Hazrat Ameer Ma'awia Razi Ala Talaa unho and Hazrat Ali Razi Ala Talaa

^That says it all about u. Thnx for saving my time.

What! now you have even taken the 4th rank from Hazrat Ali a.s
so who is fifth Yazeed l.a?

Come on! Get a grip.

There is no such thing as list of superiority.

Each one of these has his own importance, respect and value independent of others.

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I urge shia brothers to instead of resulting to insults and hatred towards sunnis, to actually study the life of Ali r.a. from a sunni's perspective.

It will make more sense to understand the undenying love Sunnis have for Ali r.a. on a basis that is not shown by mentioning names of sunni scholars to affirm the truth.

All sunnis cholars being referenced said other stuff about shias too, and shias completely ignore that.

Its like picking one hadith from Bukhari to show how sunni's are wrong, but disregarding 10,000 hadiths which show the invalidity of the shia sect.

How does that equal out for anyone?

Sharing, and understanding each other's ideologies is key. Not hatred and insults and I'm wrong and you're right.

I have an insane amount of shia friends, and they keep to themselves with their rituals, and i do to mine. We never insult each other to distance our unity.

This ideology of shia is right, is an extremist sect within shias themselves. Shia and Sunni can co-exist. And they can be united. Some shias and some sunnis need to understand that. This thread is pointless for the Ummah right now.

On the basis of Allah, everyone can be united regardless of what their narrations say, or ours.

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the problems with shiaas is that they believe that all verses that mention praise of (or reward for) a person r for ali (ra) and all verses that mention ill nature of (or punishment for) a person r for bani ummayah....

u cant really help such ppl understand much....

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^ Agree. This thread is useless. Close or delete it. Thanks.

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Crescent- what insults and hatred have been shown in this thread against the Sunnis? any examples?

I am merely presenting verses from the Quran with tafaseer and references from top Shia and Sunni books. I am more than ready for the fellow members to point out errors and concerns of these exegesis work in a positive manner so that perhaps we all could learn from it. I am surprised by the nagtive reaction of the most Sunnis here. Its only led me to believe that they dont want to learn. You are all more than welcome to present alternate views on the verses.

If you guys see this thread as biased then how about i post both shia and sunnis views of the verses to make it more neutral, for example the most accepted Sunni tafseer from Ibn Kathir. Would that keep you guys cool? If you guys have problem with Ibn Kathir then tell me which exegesis you guys are happy with and i could start posting from that along with the Shia versions.

Do you actually believe that in order to quote from a book or author you must adhere to every single word or theory he or she has ever written? Is such expectation practical or realisitc? Shias or Sunnis have full right to provide excerpts from each other books as long as the original meaning and the context is preserved. No author or book in its entirity should be believed except for Quran. For example, we show Christians from the old testeament the prophecies about our Prophet. If a Christian turns around and tells us to stop quoting from the Bible as we do not believe it in its infallibility then such statement will be very weak (as the main objective is to provide a reference from something the other party believes in).

I agree with the rest of your thoughts. I believe this topic could be used as a tool to understand eachothers' sects as Hazrat Ali Alaihay Salam is respected and loved by both Shias and Sunnis.

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it's like a dogfight here...who was the best, whose name has been mentioned the most...this sucks

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The Problem is shia religion is, it is not a religion, all that matter to shias is how quran and hadees have praised and predicted about their imams, nothing more and nothing less, they think quran was revealed only to praise ahl-e-bait and that is to their version of ahl-bait, there is not guidance system in quran as everything is their Imam, infact few of the cults in shia even says that the Prophet hood was there just to praise the importance of Hazrat Ali (RZA).

Every time u get in debate with a shia, thats what they do... never ever they comeup with logic or try to work out the science of quran as under the logic and science their religion does not stand a chance.

Now this thread is same, if shia believe that the Hazat Ali (RZA) was mentioned in quran then y don't they follow him, Hazrat Ali (RZA) accepted the khilaf of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RZA), Hazrat Umer (RZA), Hazrat Usman (RZA).. why did shia refute it? and even Imam Hasan (RZA) & Imam Hussain (RZA) accepted the khilafa of Ameer Moavia (RZA), if shias are so found of the ways of Imams, then y not follow it? why curse the sahabas and all others?

this why was never answered as it will bring down the very foundation of shia Religion.

That was quite an acerbic remark from your side, if you can pass comment on someone's belief then you should not get offended if other person also brings something on your faith.

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Every time u get in debate with a shia, thats what they do... never ever they comeup with logic or try to work out the science of quran as under the logic and science their religion does not stand a chance.
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And whenever you debat a Sunni they will come up with this marvelous logic that anyone who just saw Prophet and brought faith has to be in Jannah no matter what corruption he commits in his life, people are barred to criticize those 'blessed' people.

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Now this thread is same, if shia believe that the Hazat Ali (RZA) was mentioned in quran then y don't they follow him, Hazrat Ali (RZA) accepted the khilaf of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RZA), Hazrat Umer (RZA), Hazrat Usman (RZA).. why did shia refute it? and even Imam Hasan (RZA) & Imam Hussain (RZA) accepted the khilafa of Ameer Moavia (RZA), if shias are so found of the ways of Imams, then y not follow it? why curse the sahabas and all others?
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Enough of your fairy tales.

And if cursing Sahabi causes indigestion to you then the only question/comment I come up with people like you who do not use their brains and in fact exhibits hypocrisy, that when it comes to a Sahabi who also happens to be your fourth, why dont you have anything to say to those who not only cursed your fourth caliph but had an audacity to risk their enterance into paradise by even fighting and hating him. I know I wont ever get a response on this from you it will bring down the very foundation of sunni Religion.

No offence meant.

Now coming back to the topic, I think the thread opener should have mentioned that this thread was for Shias because if you open such a topic for everyone, then the thread was bound to deviate from the main topic as we are experiencing now.

I kept wishing for this thread to move in the right direction, so that we might be able to develop good mutual understanding while putting aside our differences, but as usual we would fight over matters that hold relatively less weight compared to our major duties in life. So, let us leave the judgment of rank to Allah (swt) and think where do we ourselves stand. I swear we would only be ask of our own deeds in the graves instead of listing down the seniority order of pious people who all have been ensured Jannah by the Prophet (saw).

With no offense to anyone, thread closed due to the reasons mentioned in the following link:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/245219-humble-request-shias-sunnis.html](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/245219-humble-request-shias-sunnis.html)