i was just going thru Sufism and modern science at the website.really,it was interesting .but what i understand of QURAN it is grossly misinterpreted. can anyone tell me if there is no rebirth then how come one is born a sultan and one as a beggar.i am telling this because i myself know my past birth.i ahve met sufi mystics but what i found on the website was in no way sufism.it is said that there is no GOD and arguments have been given for it.the revelations of ALLAH/SUPREME can’t be straightforward but has to be interpreted correctly. i ask one thing what does it mean ‘there is no father but one father’ does
it mean there is no father in the world and whom we regsrd as our father aren’t so.no,it means that there is one supreme father,but doesn’t deny the existense of father in sense we use it.then how come ‘LAAILAHAILALLAH’(sorry for spelling mistake) deny the existense of GOD of other religions. i don’t think so.
regards,
ajit
It can be interpreted in a million different ways. But there is only one right way. And usually, that way is so simple, that we disregard it…because for some reason we believe that the Quran contains some sort of ‘philosophy’ that we are meant to ‘decipher’.
NO. Quran is simpler than ur kindergarten books. If you read the words, you will understand them. Simple as that.
Going to your comparison of the two terms about fathers and God, well, they are two similar concepts, yes, but they curtail different laws. Fathers are fathers to their kids, heads of their families. There are a zillion different families in this world; hence a zillion different fathers. Allah SWT is God to the universe, and everything in it. There is only one universe, not zillion of them; hence only one Allah SWT, not a zillion
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And regarding the religions of the world, you have to understand that every religion regards their ‘God’ as god of the universe and everything in it…not just their own religion.
real interesting;if what you say that QURAN is simpler than a kintergarden book;then does it mean that there is no misinterpretation of QURAN.is it so.means;whatsoever vices are being pracitiuced in name of QURAN are there in QURAN.it isn't so,bhai .words are simple but certainly not the meaning,it would require only an enlightened person to explain ALMIGHTY's revelations. ia am saying this because i have been fortunate enough to meet mystics from both islam and hinduism ,and what i got from them was not a difference between the two but a complimentriness for each other.
rather than giving a reply as you gave just go to some enlightened men (sufi,NOT mullahs)
and ask them what i have asked you.i assure you that you will get a definite answer.
one more thing,in the 'sufism and modern science' i couldn't find a single mention of
Khwaja Muin-ud-din Chisti an dothers others of same fame.by the way i couldn't get the answer to my question.
Salaam Eatern Analoge,
I TOTALLY DISAGREE with you there for several reasons:
a) If Quran was so simple then why is there so many diffrent interpretions.
b) Why is the QURAN asking the ummat to ask the meaning of quran from the “AHL-e-ILM”. If the quran was so simple and easy then why ask someoneelse.(who are these ahl-e-ilm, aap khud research kar kay decide karein)
c) Why is quran encouraged to be read in ARABIC. The main reason i see here is so the true meaning of the ayats is not changed. If it was as easy as “KINDERGARTEN matereal” then it wouldn’t have mattered much!.
d) Quran claims to have “ALL THE ILMS” in it?. Do you know a single qaari/hafiz of the holy book claiming he has command over every single ilm there is in the universe?. If the book is so easy to understand then WHY NOT?
e) Quran says its a “RAH (way) for misguided”. Had it been “so easy to understand” then care to explain why is there 72 diffrent sects in islam, each reading quran and yet so many diffrent beliefs?
BEST EXAMPLE: The main event in history of islam, KARBALA, where the grandson of Prophet was killed, both parties believed in quran. Why such a big conflict then? (jang-e-siffein, Jang-e-jamal between Imam ALI (as) and Ummul baneen Hadrath Ayesha, thousands of muslims cutting eachother!)
f)More then 1400 years gone by, yet parts of quran are inexplainable i.e. “ALIF LAAM MEEM”. Care to give me teh tafseer?
g)Asif-e-Burkhiya, the wazir of Hazrath Suleman (as) brought TAKHAT-e-BILQEES from one part of earth to other within fractions of a seconeds. Quran says that he had “Little knowledge of the book”. If thats what could be done with only little knowledge of the holy book then i wonder what the readers of the holy QURAN might be able to do?. Muslims (main readers of quran) rightnow are in the worst state (in every single way) in this world? WHY o WHY?
These are only FEW of my jahilana points. ANSWER HAY AAP KAY PAS?
EID MUBARAK
salaam
ramesha
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ramesha;we diverted from the topic.i asked how come you can explain a person is born sultan and another a beggar in light of QURAN
Ramesha...
Allah SWT says in the Quran, 4 times as a matter of fact, in Surah Al-Qamar
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22. But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? **
Quran is indeed as easy as it can be. And as simple as it can be. Its us humans who have confused it and made it hard for ourselves. And its our religious 'leaders' whom we unfortunately follow more strictly than we follow Allah's SWT orders that have made it confusing for us by incorporating their personal politics in it.
It is obvious that one has to know and understand arabic in order to read the original text of the Quran, otherwise you are bound to be swayed by the personal views or interpretations of some human, and would consequently not know for yourself what the Quran is indeed saying.
Plus, another drawback within us is that we never read the entire Quran. We take pride in consulting reference books and search engines that will give us exactly what we are looking for. Whereas Quran is an easy to understand, totally comprehensive book, that needs to be read in its entirety before you can understand it. In other words, the misinterpretations that you and I see around us regarding the Quran arise solely for this reason. People use individual ayats, or their misleading translations to form a new opinion, or sway the general opinion. And the followers never bother to verify it for themselves. Quran tells us to verify each and every bit of information that we get before believing in it.....which we dont.
As for Alif, Laam meem, and other similar alphabets, Prophet SAW told the sahaba that the meaning of these lies with Allah SWT and Allah swt alone. He chose not to reveal it to humans...and if He didnt want to, then no matter how hard we try, we wont be able to understand them. Anything that we come up with, will be wrong.
can anyone tell me if there is no rebirth then how come one is born a sultan and one as a beggar.<<<
I guess this is your question ajit.
Well, every human is born with his fate pre-written. We are born in different circumstances, yet our objectives are the same. The difference in the way we are born is meant to keep balance in the social structure of our lives. However, that difference does not take away from the purpose of our birth. A sultan is judged the same as as is a beggar.
A sultan has more worldly facilities, and that exactly is his test. With the knowledge and belief that he will die one day, how does he deal with his wealth and power? How much preference does he give to worldly possessions over his religious obligations? How strong is his belief regarding having to give all that up once he is dead, and how does he tackle that belief.
On the other hand, the beggar is tested with the opposite. In the absence of any worldly possessions, he is being tested upon how much hes thankful for, and what he is thankful for. Does he 'complain' about the lack of worldly possessions? Or does he feel content with what little he has? Does the lack of worldly possessions make him less thankful?
Mind you, this was just to give you an idea of some of the points. Allah SWT knows best on how to judge a human being, because He has the knowledge of whats inside a mans heart, and He knows what a mans intentions are. So to us humans, even though we may see a negative action by someone, his intentions might have been pure. And at the same time, even though we may see a positive action on the outside, a persons intentions might be impure and selfish. And Allah SWT knows those intentions. Hence, only he has the authority and power to judge.
Could you provide the web site, please???
Quran is so simple that it can be comprehened by anyone with a sound brain.
Allah says in Quran:
87:8 And We will make it easy for you (to follow) the simple (Path).
Al-Imran, 3:138 “Here is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah.”
4:115 “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that becoming to men of Faith, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!”
Its plain and simple.
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost all spiritual good" (3:86).
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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**
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**And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when you know (what it is).
**Quran,Al-Baqara, 42.
REALLY;TODAY I GOT A NICE RESPONSE FROM PROBABLY WESTENER.you are correct to some extent , it isn’t complete.i am saying this because i have been fortunate enough to meet some mystics who gave me not only the interpretition but also gave me experiences of my past lives.you know it is not so that the Holy QURAN is incorrect but misinterpreted.i can’t tell you where in the QURAN is there a mention of rebirth probably i will ask about this from the same enlightened persons and post it later ; just give me a fortnight’s time(it is like this’ REMEMBER WHEN I PUT LIFE IN THE CORPSES…).
in fact i am a devout hindu and sorry i don’t know arabic a bit ;and didn’t want to read interpretitions(i read one of penguin books but that didn’t satisfy my curiosity)and hence the SUPREME arranged my meeting with those mystics. if i find time i will certainly learn arabic and read IT myself.
but one thing i can assure you that there is no difference between religions and all are the same.i would ask all of you to please go to some enlightened persons and EXPERIENCE ALLAH the way the great Sufis did.you will be guided by that supreme force in the hard years to come.i would tell you one thing more which i got from many mystics that the time will change in 2010 a.d. ;till then starting with 2001 a.d. the world will have to experience many disasters(spiritual cleansing) and the indications have started coming in.only those who are enlightened and have experienced the SUPREME and have a bondage with and are true to their PATH will be able to go next age.
regarding one other question;the website is the same http://www.pak.org/ and in a section’sufism and modern science’.
o.k. this was my aim to give you all the message.it was really nice chatting with you all.
may ALLAH bless you to go into the new age.
regards
ajit
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This is from Surah Al-Maidah.
6:36. Those who listen (in truth), be sure, will accept: as to the dead, Allah will raise them up; then will they be turned unto Him.
This concept of re-birth is different from the one that is believed in other religions, specifically hinduism. This is the rebirth that every living being will go through only once, after they are dead. After their rebirth, they will be accounted for their actions on this earth, and will pay for their sins in Hell, or earn for their good in heaven from thereon till eternity.
There are several other instances in the Holy Quran regarding this fact as well, and if you wish, we can talk about those in detail too. However, this post was merely to dispute ur comment regarding the concept of rebirth that you said existed in Quran the same way as it did in other religions, specifically hinduism.