Quran Khwani

[rolla_coaster]

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its wrong , if it was ok then probably prophet PBUH wud be the first one to practice it for the loved ones who passed away in his life ( hazrat khadija/his daughter).It is a form of biddat.

The concept of esal-e-suwaab is very complicated . Whatever deeds we do are a source of suwaab for parents.After a person dies his emaal nama is closed (no futher good deeds are added) and the only things that keep adding to his suwaab is sadqa that keeps benefitting someone, his naik aulad and certain zikr thats considered as saqda jariya(dont remember which ones they are). We can pray for a persons forgiveness but i dont see a reason why must one gather together to read quran and the suwab is sent to him.Its not gonna reach him because the emaal nama is no longer active.So If you as a child are naik, all the quran/namaz u are reading or stuff u are doing will serve your parents good but not for your muhallay wala unless he told you something right and you adopted it.

[TLK]

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I think you have the wrong concept of eesal-e-Sawaab. Sawaab is not going to add stuff in his amaal on the day of judgement, the concept of eesaal-e-sawab is to get his temporary bakhsish in the grave.

[Jafri]

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I think you have the wrong concept of eesal-e-Sawaab. Sawaab is not going to add stuff in his amaal on the day of judgement, the concept of eesaal-e-sawab is to get his temporary bakhsish in the grave.

Quoted for truth.

Also, Bibi Zahra (sa) died after Rasoolallah (saw), not during his lifetime..

[TLK]

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Also, Bibi Zahra (sa) died after Rasoolallah (saw), not during his lifetime..

maybe people are referring to two other daughters (or were they 3) who died in his lifetime.

[Jafri]

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The only story I've heard about Rasoolallah (saw) having a child of his dying when alive was Ibrahim..

[TLK]

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Two daughters that were married to Usman RA died during prophets life I think.

[Pataka]

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The two daughters I'm talking about were Ruqqaiyah and Umm Kulthum (may Allah be pleased with them).

Like TLK said, both were married to Usman RA respectively and both died during the Prophet's time.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Very informatic thread. I was searching and searching references in hadeeths if there is any related to Qur’an khani but i couldn’t find. Thats all what i found:

The Sadaqa Jariya is a donation that its reward from Allah SWT continuous for long time. There are many funds that the Sadaqa Jariya could be paid to. Examples of these are: digging wells, building mosques, building schools and distributing the knowledge.

Same question “if we read Qur’an and ask Alllah to send sawab to all Muslims or/and releatives or/and my parents who are no more, will the sawab withh reach them”. Mr. Abdulla Aminuddin (from Peace TV), [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected] answerd:

It is Bid’ah (innovation) to recite the Qur’an for Isaal-e-Sawab of those who have passed away, regardless whether the deceased is your parent or relative. There is no evidence supporting this practice in the authentic sources of Islam, in the Seerah of the Prophet or the life of his Companions. Didn’t deaths occur during the time of the companions ? Why then, we do not find any such evidence from their lives ? All those things that benefit the living and the dead have already been shown by the Prophet , as Deen has been completed. Therefore, it is inappropriate to innovate anything in the religion.

Narrated Aisha (R.A.): Allah’s Messenger said, “If somebody innovates something which is not present in our religion, then that thing will be rejected.”(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Hadith No. 2697 & Sahih Muslim, Vol. 3, Hadith No. 4266).

However it is allowed to pray for the deceased and give charity for him, as there is no difference of opinion in this regard.

In the last line it is allowed to pray for the decaased and give charity on his/her behalf. Here is the references which i quoting from Sahih Muslim.

1. Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a person said to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him): My father died and left behind property without making any will regarding it. Would he be relieved of the burden of his sing if I give sadaqa on his behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yea. (Book #013 Hadith #4001)

2. A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that a man said to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him): My mother died all of a sudden, and I think if she (could have the opportunity) to speak she would have (made a will) regarding sadaqa’. Will I be entitled to reward if I give charity on her behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. (Book #013, Hadith #4002)

3. A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that a man came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah’s Messenger, my mother died all of a sudden without making any will. I think if (she could have the opportunity) to speak she would have made a sadaqa. Would there be any reward for her if I give charity on her behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. (Book #013, Hadith #4003)

But i’m still double minded k reading Qur’an for isaly-e-sawab is permissible or not as well as the second question about k reading Qur’an in a context (in groups)

[Pataka]

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Very informatic thread. I was searching and searching references in hadeeths if there is any related to Qur'an khani but i couldn't find. Thats all what i found:

The Sadaqa Jariya is a donation that its reward from Allah SWT continuous for long time. There are many funds that the Sadaqa Jariya could be paid to. Examples of these are: digging wells, building mosques, building schools and distributing the knowledge.

Same question "if we read Qur'an and ask Alllah to send sawab to all Muslims or/and releatives or/and my parents who are no more, will the sawab withh reach them". Mr. Abdulla Aminuddin (from Peace TV), [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected] answerd:

In the last line it is allowed to pray for the decaased and give charity on his/her behalf. Here is the references which i quoting from Sahih Muslim.

1) Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a person said to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him): My father died and left behind property without making any will regarding it. Would he be relieved of the burden of his sing if I give sadaqa on his behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yea. (Book #013 Hadith #4001)

2) A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that a man said to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him): My mother died all of a sudden, and I think if she (could have the opportunity) to speak she would have (made a will) regarding sadaqa'. Will I be entitled to reward if I give charity on her behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. (Book #013, Hadith #4002)

3) A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that a man came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, my mother died all of a sudden without making any will. I think if (she could have the opportunity) to speak she would have made a sadaqa. Would there be any reward for her if I give charity on her behalf? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. (Book #013, Hadith #4003)

But i'm still double minded k reading Qur'an for isaly-e-sawab is permissible or not as well as the second question about k reading Qur'an in a context (in groups)

I don't get it. How can you be double minded about it when the quoted part clearly says it is bid'ah? bid'ah is completely unlawful no matter if it is a "good" or a "bad" innovation.

About reading Qur'an in a group, I think it's actually disrespecting the Qur'an. Do we do that to any other chapter book? Do we get together and say "hey you, chapter 4 and I'll read chapter 9." No because there is no point in that.

The Qur'an was revealed to be read and acted upon. Sadly, we don't do that anymore and look to other things that will satisfy us.

Another important issue is that we HAVE to understand that not everything in our Pakistani culture is what's right in Islam. Religion and culture are two different things and we should not mix them. I think Qur'an khani's might also be a big part of "culture" issue, not Islam.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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I read and heard many times the hadeeth about sadaqa jariya but today i gone through almost 300 hadeeth in different book but couldn't find it with reference. Maybe i was looking in different book.

I gone every single post and i do agree with others opinion too. As far reading the Holy Qur'an in sequence, i totally agree and i read it in book where mentioned that if u read any ayat in prayer then u should read next ayah or Qur'an for example if I read Surah No. 110 then in next rakat i should read next surah either 111 or 114 not 109 or before that b'coz by doing this u'll read Qur'an backward. By this what u said how to read Qur'an i agree, but again i failed to search reference for it also.

This is how i'm double minded.

[diwana]

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With due respect to all:

First, the Quran as it is recited for sawab is itself a ritual. Reciting in Arabic and not even reciting to understand let alone act on it?

I know reciting one word is quoted to have 10 nekian. Is there any authentic source of it?

Secondly, the ritual we see of Khatme Quran is also something to be questioned.

What is usual/typical Khatme Quran?

People gather, they recite Quran, read it Fast, right or wrong way. Don't even know what they are reading. Men and women in flashy trendy clothes. Socialize with each other. Then comes the big feast (Pulao, Biryani, Quorma and Zarda with soft drinks) and at the end further mithai/sweets.

Everyone goes home full stomach. Some say wah what a great food, some may say, 'Biryani Mein Namak Mirch Bohat tha'............ Great!

If you invite without a big feast. A few people MAY show up. :)

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Diwana ji! aap ki baat mein dm hay

[Bulld0zer]

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Hazrat Ibrahim has a Dud in Quran "Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents, and (all) the believers on the Day when the reckoning will be established". It did not say future believers, that means all believers, even those who are dead.

Reading Quran in not an innovation, praying is not innovation...praying for the dead is? How? You're saying that no one in the Prophet's (pbuh) time prayed for the deceased?

You guys are mixing things up. Some ibadas require that you perform them yourself to get the reward, like Namaz. If another person offers namaz in your place you won't get the reward. The case with Quran is the same.

The hadith regarding this goes like this: "When a human being dies, all his actions come to an end, except in one of three ways: A continuing act of charity, a useful contribution to knowledge or a God-fearing, dutiful child who prays for him."

Only prayers, sadqa jariya and propagation of ilm can help the dead in the afterlife. Among the above mentioned sadqa jariya is planting trees. Because the person will be rewarded for all the animals and humans who eat from it or use its shade.

[Raindance]

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**The reason why so many people are against Qur'an khani's is first of all, and MOST important is the the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and/or his Sahabah did not do this practice.

Think about it, the most perfect person in Islam did not do this for his daughters when they passed away nor did the Sahabah do this practice when the Prophet himself passed away. **

Do as much dua'a as you can for those who have deceased but do it in the proper manner. Do it in the manner that you find in the sunnah of the Prophet. Yes, it may seem "what is the harm in doing so and so, we're getting swab from it." But this is considered a bid'ah or innovation. Something that the Prophet did not do himself yet we have created. If it was truly good, they would have been the first to do it

How can a bid'ah be a good one when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Every bid’ah is a going astray and every going astray is in Hell-fire”.

The point is that the Qur'an was revealed to be acted upon and pondered, to be read as an act of worship and read a great deal, not to be given to the dead or to anyone else

Abd Allah ibnUmar said: "Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good.

Again, I'll emphasize that making dua'a is necessary. The way dua'a is made is important. Do only what the Prophet has done. How can we expect to exceed his greatfulness?

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I totally agree with your view point based on 'Rasool Allah's pbuh practices' whether its about saying prayers or dealings with public or saying/doing something that could be taken in the wrong context by his companions. (Allah's Rasool pbuh was very very thoughtful about such occurrences than or in future) e.g the TREE OF RIZWAN or TAHAJUD PRAYERS etc,,
Hence, all other practices are either misinterpreted by sahaba ikeraam or by scholars out of great love for Allah swt or his beloved Prophet Mohammad pbuh. (Allah knows the best)
We should be asking ourselves whether such practices would be accepted by Allah's Rasool pbuh if he was present among us now?