it's quite interesting to be on a religious forum and receive advice from people wrapped in taunts!
and i reiterate alvena's post ... i've also heard that one ... so yes i also question why a woman cant pray if she wants to in those days?
Islam doesn't admire blind faith ... God doesn't like those who lose themselves in love so much they they forget reality ... we are suppose to learn ... and you learn by questioning.
I think its a good thing if you decide to make sense out of everything. After all brain is there to use.... But again when u use it don't forget u rnt the only one with a brain here, People bfr u werent stupid and brain less. If ur dadi & nani refrain from something try to figure out y ....
I stand with you when u say, "one could get into a great deal of debate in order to properly understand the word "pure" ... what is pure then? physical purity, mental purity, social purity, one whose deeds are free of impurities?"
I am glad u went this far, but u shld have gave it little more thinking .... do u really think spiritual or mental purity exist without physical purity ? I think you cant get to the stages of mental or spiritual purity without physical cleanness.
Abt praying during womanly days, do u even agree u rnt physically pak (pure) during periods ? Y do u think Vuzu is compulsory bfr u pray ? i thought it was for physical cleanness.
Now just to add something on the side..... Its people like you who come up thinking that if something doesnt make sense to em its wrong and rather then asking questions they try to impose their thinking...... Is there a sect in Islam already with a believes similar to urz ? if not one you can make one and probably ask others why cant woman be prophet and caliph ? and when some followers approve u, here u r a caliph of New ISLAMIC sect :)
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
I haven't read any thing that suggests women in period as "napaak", the word used for a woman in periods is "haidha"[in her monthly cycle] and it does not mean "napaak" but i think only the blood is considered "napaak" and that's why you have to have a bath after monthly periods and birth.
^“None touches it except those who are pure.” (al-Waqi`ah: 79)
I know it will get us off topic but i will like say that as farrah said Being pure could mean being pure physically or spiritually. I would like to say that from what i understand touching here doesn't mean touching literally... It means Getting it, making sense out of it , understanding it. Otherwise non muslims who dont even clean themselves after sex or urination shldnt be able to touch it.
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Jo cheese Right hai .. uss ko koi comment hi nahi karta, jaahiliyat hai k nahi
I agree with Niksik Baji with her post ..
I can provide many Ahadith and Qur’anic Texts where it a something not many of you would know or even have the slightest of the idea .. called '‘Ijtihaad’ of the scholars .where they have to to an ‘‘ijmaa’’ - that alot of things in Qur’aan arnt mentioned but the Prophet SAW has with is ahadith. actions and approvals ..has done tafsir of. and Easaal e sawaab is one of them ..
Now those who dont understand the concept of Ijtihaad.. go learn that what it is then come back …and i ll tell you all about it .. i.e. have understanding of all 4 madhahib’s, must know sahih muslim shareef and sahih bukhari sharif and the saha e sitta, if not 100% atleast 99% knowledge of sarf and nahv - arabic grammer, etc etc etc .. once you done this .. come back and i ll enlighten you
I know it will get us off topic but i will like say that as farrah said Being pure could mean being pure physically or spiritually. I would like to say that from what i understand touching here doesn't mean touching literally... It means Getting it, making sense out of it , understanding it. Otherwise non muslims who dont even clean themselves after sex or urination shldnt be able to touch it.
The criteria for physical cleanliness(wudu and ghusal) is for muslims only, although it is advised for non-muslims to respect Quran when they study it.
The criteria for physical cleanliness(wudu and ghusal) is for muslims only, although it is advised for non-muslims to respect Quran when they study it.
"touching" cannot mean "understanding".
Okay so if non-muslims perform sexual activities .... and not do ghusal they shouldn't be able to touch it .... Thats why i used multiple meanings because i didnt know which exact word to use here. I guess understanding was the wrong word....
The better definition of touching here would be taking advantage from it. being able to benefit from it.
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We're not responsible for non-muslims touching Quran in halat e junub. Quran has mentioned in detail about those who can't benefit from Quran in Surah Baqarah.
okay lets take the exact translation u posted and make some conclusions
“None touches it except those who are pure.”
either nonmuslims dont touch it.
If they do touch it ... which is a fact:
non-muslims r pure.
correct me if am wrong to make those conclusions
The order is for those who follow the teachings of Quran. But as I said we can advice non-muslims to consider cleanliness when they study Quran if we have a concern.
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One thing I never understood is why do we fight with each other?
Why do we waste our time to prove wrong to each other?
If according to your research you should read Quran then you do that and if it is not then don't do it. Why criticise each other?
What is the point?
Sometimes when I read some of the posts and I think it's not Muslims who are posting this? It's someone else who wants our attention diverted from the core issues.
Like cartoon issue, Like building Ka'aba bar and our education.
It's time to stop this discussion and concentrate on our education our future, none of you are knowledgeable enough to say it's right or wrong to recite Quran therefore for God Sake stop being Mufties
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"none touches it except the pure"
the act of touching it is only implied by the word "touches" .... the word "pure" is not implying any specific kind of purity. Qur'an is based on tashbih ... meaning it's not a literal book ... each word beholds a thousand meanings ... we can't take everything literally ... we have to understand it's depth according to how and where the hadith was said, or the under what circumstances a verse was revealed.
example of "not literal" : when someone young dies, you often hear people say ... "oh it was his time, this is how God planned it, nobody could have turned it otherwise" ... and it is derived from "God is the giver and taker of life" .... what we fail to realise is ... God has created a system called life and death, and then given man free will .... and you bring a child in this life yourself, and if you die young, you either die of stupidity (your own or someone elses), an accident, or ill-health ... it's all in your control ... of how you take care of yourself ... God doesn't deliberatly take someone's life ...
so if someone could shed a little light on the background of this ... "no one touches it except the pure"
and no this is not fighting ... this is a healthy debate ... either i will stand corrected, or someone else ... easy :D
One thing I never understood is why do we fight with each other?
Why do we waste our time to prove wrong to each other?
If according to your research you should read Quran then you do that and if it is not then don't do it. Why criticise each other?
What is the point?
Sometimes when I read some of the posts and I think it's not Muslims who are posting this? It's someone else who wants our attention diverted from the core issues.
Like cartoon issue, Like building Ka'aba bar and our education.
It's time to stop this discussion and concentrate on our education our future, none of you are knowledgeable enough to say it's right or wrong to recite Quran therefore for God Sake stop being Mufties
the act of touching it is only implied by the word "touches" .... the word "pure" is not implying any specific kind of purity. Qur'an is based on tashbih ... meaning it's not a literal book ... each word beholds a thousand meanings ... we can't take everything literally ... we have to understand it's depth according to how and where the hadith was said, or the under what circumstances a verse was revealed.
example of "not literal" : when someone young dies, you often hear people say ... "oh it was his time, this is how God planned it, nobody could have turned it otherwise" ... and it is derived from "God is the giver and taker of life" .... what we fail to realise is ... God has created a system called life and death, and then given man free will .... and you bring a child in this life yourself, and if you die young, you either die of stupidity (your own or someone elses), an accident, or ill-health ... it's all in your control ... of how you take care of yourself ... God doesn't deliberatly take someone's life ...
so if someone could shed a little light on the background of this ... "no one touches it except the pure"
and no this is not fighting ... this is a healthy debate ... either i will stand corrected, or someone else ... easy :D
Among other meanings, one meaning is that "Allah doesn't reveal the true understanding and depth of its meanings to anyone other than the pure (whose heart is pure, or who is pure in true sense)." in sync with the verse that says "Alif - Lam - Meem, there is no doubt in this book and it is guidance for the righteous"
Also there is nothing wrong with its apparent meanings as well. It is always a good idea to be physically clean before you pray(offer namaz) and physically touch Quran. Other than that I am not sure what is right or wrong so I will not pass any fatwa :)
I don't fully agree with what you said regarding life and death. Our free will is not so free. That I have experienced a number of times, especially in the matter of life and death. so I beleive it is a mix of our free will and the will of God. Sometimes, it simply goes against our will and wishes no matter what we do.
I don't fully agree with what you said regarding life and death. Our free will is not that free. That I have experienced a number of times, especially in the matter of life and death. so I beleive it is a mix of our free will and the will of God. Sometimes, it simply goes against our will and wishes no matter what we do.
then the day of judgement should also be half of what the Qur'an says about it since we aren't fully in control of our actions ... i used to also think like you ... i'v also had a number of incidents where it felt it's going against my wishes, but it were only later i realized that everything happens according to and in sum of all previous actions and steps that i have taken ...
but of course we cant impose beliefs onto others, that is also half our faith ... so yea :) ....
as for diwana ... if you find saqi_the_angel's post excellent, then there is not point of having a forum altogether ... what are we doing here? the point is not just pass fatwas, but to see what other people are doing, how others look at something, and then put your own actions in comparison .. and just learn new things ... life is a struggle to make oneself better ... and only if Muftis had made it all that easy to go talk to them ... people from a different style of the same belief curse at each others' muftis ... what do you do about that?
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^Farrah,
Here is something, 2-3 years back i wrote a similiar but a bit hard hitting post as in that thread the type of questions were being posted no matter how worst belief a muslim has he/she would never put questions like that. After 5 or 6 views that post was removed.
I don't disagree with using these forums for learning purposes but I have seen people when go too far to prove their points. I have seen some posts are very good and have seen some question which you mught not ask an Alim/Alima directly but there are certain posts which are derailing your Aqeeda (Faith).
Here is something about the destiny, once I asked a scholar that if God has written all the good things and bad things I would do then why there is Heaven and Hell. May Allah forgive me, what is the point of that if these things are written in destiny already. May Allah forgive if that is the case then this make Allah SWT unjust.
He answered that Allah SWT has written our destiny through his knowledge, because we are his creation and he knew what we would do and what we wouldn't. He has given us brain to decide right and wrong, we can decide what is good and what is bad. So we know if we are going to put our hands in fire we will burn our hands, we know if we commit adultry, theft and other bad things, we will be punished and if we do good deeds we will get rewarded.
Do you know that a mentally ill person won't be accountable becuase he can't differentiate what is right and what is wrong?
I can go in more detail, but I better leave uit here, if you need further information on this please speak to an Alim/Alima as they will be able to give you more detailed info.
