Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
the Qur'aan also says 'Sum mum buk mun umyun fa hum laa yarjioon' kuch logon k bass mein nahi hai k they understand the whole quraan :@:
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
Reading the Qur'an in a gathering such as the Quran khawnis we do is alright as long as that's what we are actually doing. I know sometimes the ladies get caught up in preparing and focusing on the food and running after the little kids so the essence of all of it gets lost. However, there is nothing wrong about having people come over and reading the Qur'an. There is controversy about milads however, and I shall not go into that here as the thread may be derailed.
Now regarding dua...we can read dua in any language but it is highly recommended to memorize a few common duas which have been proven effective. That doesn't mean that it is obligatory.
Also, it is permissible to sit on a mussalaah and do zikr and tasbihat during the monthly cycle. It is not permissible to read Qur'an or recite surahs other than the ones which are considered dua'as such as the 4 Quls, surah fatiha, ayat ul kursi, etc. Yes you can carry a Qur'an with a clean cloth other than the dupatta you are wearing, but some women wear gloves during their period and read Qur'an for educational purposes. That is in correct. If you must read, it should be read broken up in words so that it doesn't sound like a qirat or recitation. And no gloves. That is a misconsception.
The information has been given to me by hanafi aalimas and a hanafi mufti. Allah knows best.
Yep their is no point reading Quran without translation. :) we shld start reading Namaz in urdu as well :)
At least the verses we are reading, we should know the meaning of.
yes there is absolutely no point reading Quran without the meaning.
This habit has brought us where we are. We are just parrots or sheep following some one who would say:
No no. Don't read Quran translation. Thats not good for you. Its meant for only me or people like me to understand and explain. Quran was sent to us Ulema, not to you common people! Are you an Aalim? No, So why bother reading translation?............
Once you read translation also. You will develop questiong and you will try to learn.
Otherwise keep acting like sheeps or parrots!
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
hmm this is one of the best threads in R&S section.
At least the verses we are reading, we should know the meaning of.
yes there is absolutely no point reading Quran without the meaning.
This habit has brought us where we are. We are just parrots or sheep following some one who would say:
No no. Don't read Quran translation. Thats not good for you. Its meant for only me or people like me to understand and explain. Quran was sent to us Ulema, not to you common people! Are you an Aalim? No, So why bother reading translation?............
Once you read translation also. You will develop questiong and you will try to learn.
Otherwise keep acting like sheeps or parrots!
I havent seeen ANY post on this forum saying READING QURAN WITH TRANSLATION IS BAD FOR UR HEALTH OR RELIGION.
Obviously you have to know what you r reading ...... Its important but that doesnt mean reading Quran without translation is biddat. The Qirat itself has its own charm.
Conclusion: its better to read Quran with Traslation..... But In Ramzan or Quran Khawani's you can just do Tilawat-e-kalam-Pak .... This doesnt hurt anyone :)
Just something on the side : I find it much more spiritual when I repeat Trasnlation of Namaz in my mind while i am offering my prayers..... so NO AM NOT AGAINST knowing translation of what you are reading.
And can someone plz tell our Muslim brothers the meaning of "LA IKRAHA FID DEEN". I am reffering to the onez that r forcing ppl to keep beared and have the "Islamic topi" on.
At least the verses we are reading, we should know the meaning of.
yes there is absolutely no point reading Quran without the meaning.
Reciting Qur'an is an act of worship, whether you understand what you are reading or not. This is not to say that one shouldn't read the meaning as well, but I'm saying that it's still an ibadat either way.
I havent seeen ANY post on this forum saying READING QURAN WITH TRANSLATION IS BAD FOR UR HEALTH OR RELIGION.
Obviously you have to know what you r reading ...... Its important but that doesnt mean reading Quran without translation is biddat. The Qirat itself has its own charm.
Conclusion: its better to read Quran with Traslation..... But In Ramzan or Quran Khawani's you can just do Tilawat-e-kalam-Pak .... This doesnt hurt anyone :)
Just something on the side : I find it much more spiritual when I repeat Trasnlation of Namaz in my mind while i am offering my prayers..... so NO AM NOT AGAINST knowing translation of what you are reading. And can someone plz tell our Muslim brothers the meaning of "LA IKRAHA FID DEEN". I am reffering to the onez that r forcing ppl to keep beared and have the "Islamic topi" on.
You have somewhat balanced position. Good. But please read below my response as well. :-)
Reciting Qur'an is an act of worship, whether you understand what you are reading or not. This is not to say that one shouldn't read the meaning as well, but I'm saying that it's still an ibadat either way.
This concept of ibaadat has been taken so far that only a fraction of muslims specially from indian sub-continent read Quran with translation.
I am not even sure if not understanding it and reading it counts as ibaadat-It was assumed as if everyone would know Arabic when any such hadith was said...
We have no hadith which says Quran needs to be read with 'translation' for same reason!!!!!
People think their job is done by reciting it without ever in their lifetime read full Quran with meaning.
The same people will go to Hajj, Umrah every year or whatever but will never open Quran and read its translation to understand what they were reading all their lives!!!!
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Religion is not a ritual!!!**
Hope this clarified my take on it.
This concept of ibaadat has been taken so far that only a fraction of muslims specially from indian sub-continent read Quran with translation.
I am not even sure if not understanding it and reading it counts as ibaadat-It was assumed as if everyone would know Arabic when any such hadith was said...
We have no hadith which says Quran needs to be read with 'translation' for same reason!!!!!
People think their job is done by reciting it without ever in their lifetime read full Quran with meaning. The same people will go to Hajj, Umrah every year or whatever but will never open Quran and read its translation to understand what they were reading all their lives!!!!
Religion is not a ritual!!!
Hope this clarified my take on it.
Reading it and not understanding it does have its own reward. Of course understanding it as well is better, but still we should not underestimate the value of simply reading it.
Reading Quran with or without translation both are good. It is good to recite it daily in the morning and as Quran tells us, it should be recited slowly so that you know what you are reading. Also in a gathering, it is good if someone recites a few verses and also tells the meanings. people will benefit from it.
On the other hand, on someone's death, ladies are invited to read quran for certain number of times and the emphasis is on reading it quickly and they read it like murmuring. I have seen people using dates seeds etc. to keep track of number of times it is being read. I believe this is bidaat and it doesn't do any good for the deceased one. You cannot just give a boost to his or her nama-e-aimal by inviting hundred people and read quran for you. After death, the deceased only benefits from the prayers of his/her sons and daughters and close ones and may also benefit from good deeds of his children if he has raised them well.
It's Not unlawful to make duaa when u r in ur periods. U can even read Quran during the cycle by not touching the Quran with bare hands. Take some neat paak cloth n u can hold Quran with that and read.
somehow i find this really bothering!!!! can periods make a woman SO impure that she cannot touch a book? a book that is lying around on the floors in the ka'aba ground .. where people are also walking on the same floor?
or is it just an exaggerated form of hightened respect and just wrapping it in beautiful cloth and placing it on the highest pedestal ever, and kissing it many times, and sometimes bringing it down to read it ...
how many of us actually just read it as a book which has a world of knowledge in it ... knowledge that you are allowed to receive without any rules and regulations of how to open the book!?
i smell extremism ... sorry ...
but i will add that of course i have grown up with the same rules around me and consciously or unconsciously i also end up following them .. but my brain is still functioning and asks me these questions.
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
^“None touches it except those who are pure.” (al-Waqi`ah: 79)
^“None touches it except those who are pure.” (al-Waqi`ah: 79)
one could get into a great deal of debate in order to properly understand the word "pure" ... what is pure then? physical purity, mental purity, social purity, one whose deeds are free of impurities?
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
Khali bartaan ziada shoor machata hai,,, ur brain is functioning too much hun.
Only b/c u r unable to understand it doesnt mean its wrong. How wud u like to explain not praying while in periods ?
Re: Quran Khaanis-allowed or not? (Split from Life1)
ok i am no scholar but i do remember leaning about a hadith where it stated that the prophet(pbuh) put his head on his wifes Aisha’s lap and recited the quaran while she was on her period.
Then i rememeber the woman saying that this shows that women on periods are not so impure they cannot recite surahs..she was an alimaa.
My 2 pence.
an interesting link…http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544678
Khali bartaan ziada shoor machata hai,,, ur brain is functioning too much hun.
Only b/c u r unable to understand it doesnt mean its wrong. How wud u like to explain not praying while in periods ?
it's quite interesting to be on a religious forum and receive advice from people wrapped in taunts!
and i reiterate alvena's post ... i've also heard that one ... so yes i also question why a woman cant pray if she wants to in those days?
Islam doesn't admire blind faith ... God doesn't like those who lose themselves in love so much they they forget reality ... we are suppose to learn ... and you learn by questioning.
one could get into a great deal of debate in order to properly understand the word "pure" ... what is pure then? physical purity, mental purity, social purity, one whose deeds are free of impurities?
I don't think there's anything to debate about....even a child can see that it's about the physical purity because it's talking about "touching" it not reading it.
Different cultures and religions have different rules and limits of physical purity, some don't mind if you don't wash yourself after urinating.
Islam has given us the criteria for purity in detail that includes istinja, wudu, ghusal etc.
Women in her period are not allowed to do acts of worship not because of impurity but it's because Allah has removed the hardship and difficulty of worship from them.
If necessary woman in her periods can touch the Quran according to Imam Malik[ra]'s school of thought.
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