Abbas sahib,
I never meant to write my comment as if I was offended by your remark. In discussion forums, I try to convey my point in the shortest possible way. I admit that because of being too precise, sometimes, people get impression that I am being rude, offended (or offensive) or what not but I assure you this is never the case.
That said, my advice about usage of 'we' wasn't off the mark, whether it's used to praise someone or insult. You only speak for yourself.
Thanks for the links.
Assalam O Alaikum
Brother deepblue are you saying that naozobilla Quran is insufficient to guide a normal man, or that Prophet SAW didn't taught us Islam completely?
In the last sermon of Prophet SAW, he told us to follow Quran and Sunnah, did he told us to follow the imams?
I repeat the problem in the Muslim ummah today is that everybody is following a different imam.
Just tell me if i give you a hadith which is authentic in nature and it goes against the verdict of the imam you are following, then Will you dare to reject the hadith ?????
Wa ma alaina illal balagh
Asalamu Alaikum,
Brother Abdullah, I don't know the daleels regarding the verdicts of the Imam's about the Ameen, and that is why I didn't go into much detail about it.
What I was trying to say, and used your point to illustrate it, is that we shouldn't get all worked up about small details like saying an Ameen outloud. Your last comment scared me, about those who don't do as said by a hadith are going into kuffar. If you are implying that those who don't say Ameen outloud are going into kuffar, I think you should be careful, because thats a big load of Muslims you're putting that label on.
There are a couple of words we should be so careful in using, kuffar and talaq are two that come to mind when I say this. They are words that will come back to us later.. and we will have to answer for them. Actually I guess we'll have to answer for all our words, but these two have some major implications if used in the wrong ways.
W'salam
Assalam O Alaikum
Well, i did used the word kuffar very carefully, and i doubt any muslim will differ to me that rejecting the words of Prophet SAW is Kuffar.
I am not saying that all the muslims who are not saying ameen loudly are kafirs, [most of them are doing the taqleed of Imam Abu Haneefa] my point is if a muslim gets a hadith of Prophet SAW, just tell me the possibility how can he reject Prophet SAW's saying against the saying of any Imam.
Where in Quran or any hadith it says to follow a imam??
Why are there four imams only, why can't there be many more? And why to follow one why not all ?
I never understand this, why to follow one imam, it seems so illogical, and yet they say all of them are correct. Even today we have some great scholars, will you make one of them your Imam today?
If you remember the hadith in which Prophet SAW said that there will be 73 sects and one will go to Jannah, when asked which of them will go to jannah, he SAW said the one which will follow me and my companions.
Just look at any sect, why have they diverted from islamic teaching, because they followed others and not Prophet SAW.
My humble request is that we should follow only Quran and Sunnah strictly and for a matter which is not available in both of them we should refer the great works of any imam, and not stick to one imam for his teachings. The followers of imams should know that each of the 4 imams has made one common statement that "if you receieve a quranic verse or a hadith for a specific case and it goes against my verdict then you follow the quran and hadith" please tell me if it is wrong.
Wallah O Alam wassalatu wassalamu ala nabiyyana Mohammed
Bismihi Ta’la
Assalam o alaikum
br. Abdulla, let me ask you this: where did the ‘last sermon address’ come from? i am not denying that the Prophet (peace and benedictions on him) said follow the Quran and Sunnah, what I am referring to is his tradition that states: follow the Sunnah as stipulated by the Ahl al Bayt. Is that so difficult to understand? Can you site me a reference where it says, follow the Quran and my Sunnah?
What is your view on hadith al thaqalayn? And on the issue of the Imams, let me tell you that the Prophet (peace and benedictions on him) told us to follow the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt, and you can very well find this in Sahih al Bukhari as well as Sahih al Muslim. Browse through this book:
Twelve Successors to the Prophet
http://al-islam.org/twelve/
The problem with the muslim ummah is not because of the imams, but because of the choice of imams that individuals adhere to. Are you denying the role of the ulul amr as stated in the Quran, in Sura 4:59? There are people who are enstrusted with “authority” from among us, but we make fail to recognize them. Recognition is the issue, akhi, recognition who is a righteous imam and who is not! And it belies the entire assumption that we should follow the Prophet and Prophet only, when you get his sunnah from the Companions: and we all know that the Companions differed in their interpretation. So if they all differed then does this imply that the Prophet did not give them one answer. Think about when you say that we should “follow the Prophet and no one else”, since you end up asserting that “follow the Prophet and the sahaba”. Ponder over 4:59 for a moment, before anything else!
As to the issue of the 73 sects, I maintain that this number points to the abundance of the divisions and not necessarily to the number itself. The tradition that only the group attaining salvation is that adheres to the sahaba is false, fabricated and belies all logic. For your information read this URL:
http://www.al-islam.org/thaqalayn/nontl/Traditions.htm
Regards
Abbas, Ali
[This message has been edited by AliAbbas (edited April 28, 1999).]
Asalamu Alaikum,
Brother Abdulla,
I agree with you in this regard. I think I demonstrated that by saying in my previous posts that we turn to Imams for knowledge in times when we cannot get the answer from Qur'an and Hadith. I also mentioned an example of where an Imam's ruling was changed based on the existence of a Hadith which was previously not known about.
Now you stated that you were puzzled about how all the Imams could be correct and different at the same time. If you recall back to examples from the Prophet (SAW)'s time, you'll remember several examples of where Hadrat Abu Bakr (RA) and Hadrat Umar (RA) had different ways of dealing with situations, and how the Prophet (SAW) would say they were both correct. Islam is a flexible religion that can accomodate different perspectives.
W'salam
Brother Yacoob
You are right, at couple of times Prophet SAW got different opinions from Sahaba RAA, but ofcourse we believe their opinion were based on HAQ, but brother what i meant in my post was that there are some basic things over which clear authentic ahadith are available and yet there is difference in imams, and as you said it must be just because they might not have recieved that hadith, and this is what i am trying to say, follow any imam but not with a believe that his verdict cannot be wrong, and that he is the only one to be followed.
Wallah O Alam Wassalatu Wassalamu Ala Nabiyyana Mohammed
salam all muslims
with all due respect to everyone...you people really havent got a clue about much..i cant question your sincerity...but just look at what you are writing...why are you bothering ...none of you REALLY UNDERSTAND much about Islam(again with all due respect)
..the only place that you will all find out about the truth will be in front of ALLAH ..on yaum e qiyamat...my intention is not to insult you..but i have read so many articles here and there is only one thing that i learn....that is that too many of you are confused...
wa salam
Walaikumsalaam,
Mr Learner; perhaps you ought to change your name to Teacher?
salllaamm
well if we were to find the truth in front of allah there was no reason for quran and hadith be in our lives....why would allah and his prophet tell us to follow if we were to find the truth in front of allah...allah has sent quran and words of prophet to show us the truth....if we all just folllow QURAN and HADITH we would have probs and we wouldnt have to be dead to find the truth i hope u understand
JAawan