Quran and Bible

Society Religion & Philosophy
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People are saying silly things aobut Quran, stuff like there is violence preached in it, many times I’ve been personally asked things like : Why is Quran so violent, so cruel, why does Islam allow stoning , it’s a cruel religion, etc etc etc

I don’t understand these people, they are taking any excuse to just critisize Quran for silly reasons, very often Christians at school would tell me that Islam is a bad religion, telling women to go in veil, bla bla, while in reality in Christianity they have to veil themselves too!
And very often they take out verses out of context to misuse them, to portray a negative false image of Islam, some of the things they say against Islam, you will also find in the Bible, they are Christians, don’t they read their own Bible, what ever version?

Things like death punishments, they only critisize Islam, not becuase they are oppose any religious ideas as they say, but very very often because of their dislike/hatred of Islam. If you look at Zionists, I hardly hear anything against them! Zionism is one of the most dangerous religions on earth! Yet I don’t hear in media world wide that Zionism is dangerous, you hear almost nothing about them. If there are people seriously offended by certain religious idea’s, they would critisize all religions, not ONLY Islam, problem is, most people dislike Islam, if you carefully read for example the Bible, you will find many verses that eitehr don’t make sense (how could they, since human hands changed most of them), or you will also find similar punishments for certain deeds as are in Quran, you will even find incest in a book of God (???).

Take a look at these Biblical verses before critising the muslims:

Numbers 31:17-18:
So now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse, but keep alive fo ryourselves all the girls and all teh wmoen who are virgins.

Deuteronomy 20:10-18
**When you go to attack a city, first give it’s people a chance to surrender. If they open the gates and surrender, they are all to become your slaves and d o forced labour for you. But if the people of that city will not surrender, but choose to fight, surround it with you army. Then when the lord your God lets you capture the city, kill every man in it. You may however take for yourselves the women, the children, the livestock, and everything else in the city. You may use everything that belongs to your enemies. The Lord has given it to you. That is how you are to deal with thoses cities that are far away from the land you will settle in. But when you caputre cities in the land that the Lord you God is giving you kill everyone. Completely destroy all the people: the HIttietes, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, teh Hivites, and the JEbusites, as teh Lord ordered you to do. Kill tehm, so that they will not make you sina gainst the Lord by teaching you to do all teh disgusting things thatthey do in worship of their gods. **

Matthew 10:34-35
Do not think that i have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I cam to set sons against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, daguhters-in-law against their mothers-in-law; your worst enemies will be the members of your own family.

Luke 19:26-17
I tell you, he replied, that to all those who have something, even more will be given; but those who have nothing, even the little that they hae will be taken away from them. Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence!

NOw tell me, is the Bible preaching hatred and terrorism? Is Christianity a bad religion?

-Incest in a book of God???:

Genesis: 19:33-35 Among one of many other such stories.

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astaghfarullah....
how cud u post such a hideous thing about a prophet of Allah....
even if some book mentions such things, u shud not be posting such things here....
may Allah forgive our sins and keep us from such wrong thoughts about His "chosen people"....

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I apologise, it was to show the standard of the Bible, I shall delete it, but keep the number of the verses, so people can see for themselves what they say.

Of course a prophet of God would never do such thing. It's only written in the Bible nowadays, one of the most obvious prooves that it is no longer a true book of God.

Once again my apologies.

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Why does one have to fight callousness with callousness? Rise above it. I realize that feelings are hurt when one's faith is attacked, but must we recipricate with equal disdain? It is not necessary to belittle other people's sacred scripture to secure yours as the best.

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I don't need to secure any scripture, that task is already being done by Allah.

This is just a way, to remind people to think before they just critisize any other religion. Believe me, my aim is not to bring down Christianity, it is so people realise that many things they find negative in Islam, which they don't understnad, and which they actually use against Islam, are also in other religions, like for example rules about war or death punishments.

People should think before critising Islam, or any other religion just like that. We are no experts of other peoples religion. Just like I don't understand certain things of teh Bible and find strange verses in them, same goes for any non-muslim. Yet everywhere, including inmedia Islam is being targeted for silly reasons.

And common people adapt those accusations of media worldwide, without thinking properly.

There is only one religion, that I know of that truly does spread terror and hatred, and that is Zionism.
That's the religion that should be in negativemedia worldwide. Not Islam.

I'm sorry if I offended more people, may Allah forgive me for my mistakes.
But if people have anything to say against Islam, they should come up with someting better. Critisize the bad practisers, not the religion itself!

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Sadya, I agree with this statement:

"People should think before critising Islam, or any other religion just like that. We are no experts of other peoples religion."

I think all scripture has salvation available through its teachings. But I also believe they all have the potential to be misinterpreted to propogate evil. It is the interpretation of people's religion that is questionable, not the religion itself.

So when you say "Critisize the bad practisers, not the religion itself!" I totally agree. But instead of "criticize" I would say "question".

But I disagree with your assessment that "Zionism" is the only religion that spreads terror. Outside of Israel, where are the Zionists spreading hatred and terror? Zionists are nothing more than Jewish extremists. Just as there are Christian, Hindu and Muslim extremists. Muslim extremism is getting the worldwide media attention because they are an active, armed, worldwide terrorist movement. If Zionists were blowing up embassies, discos, skyscrapers, apartment buildings and mosques, they would be getting the criticism.

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"I think all scripture has salvation available through its teachings. But I also believe they all have the potential to be misinterpreted to propogate evil. It is the interpretation of people's religion that is questionable, not the religion itself."

That is true, practically all religions tell us to be good to our fellow humans, and don't steal, don't lie, etc. etc. Religions are a way of life, to find God. It's so sad that every one is just attacking each others religions, in my ignorance, in the past I myself used to attack other peoples religions. Not Good. If we want respect for our religion, we have to respect other peoples religion too, as long as they don't harm us of course. It's all a two way road. You have good and bad people everywhere. Why does a whole group have to suffer for the actions of a few?

"So when you say "Critisize the bad practisers, not the religion itself!" I totally agree. But instead of "criticize" I would say "question"."

Oké, you're right. Perhaps I'm being too harsh.

Thank you for correcting me politely. :) That's a lesson for me to learn from you.

But with this one I can't agree:

"Zionists are nothing more than Jewish extremists."

Zionism seems to have little to do with true Judaism. Which is also about a special race, but not so discriminating as is Zioinism in fact.

I will post an article, I will have to find it first.

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The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism
G. Neuburger
Where the Torah tells about the creation of the first human being, the most prominent Jewish commentator, Rashi, explains that the earth from which Adam was formed was not taken from one spot but from various parts of the globe. Thus human dignity does not depend on the place of one's birth nor is it limited to one region.
The greatness or worth of a person is not measured by his or her outward appearance. Jews believe that Adam was created in G-d's image and that he is the common ancestor of all mankind. At this stage in human history, there is no room for privileged people who can do with others as they please. Human life is sacred and human rights are not to be denied by those who would subvert them for "national security" or for any other reason. No one knows this better than the Jews, who have been second-class citizens so often and for so long. Some Zionists, however, may differ. This is understandable because Judaism and Zionism are by no means the same. Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable: If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.
For over 60 years I have fought Zionism, as did my father before me, and I am therefore quite familiar with it. For those who have been in this fight for only the last ten or twenty years, what I have to say may be surprising or even shocking. Nevertheless these matters must be stated clearly and openly, because unless the disease of Zionism is diagnosed accurately, it cannot be cured. Too long have those opposed to Zionism engaged in daydreaming and wishful thinking. In order to recognize Zionism for what it is, one has to know about Judaism, about Zionism -- the opposite and negation of Judaism, and about Jewish history. In the time allotted to me, I am not going to talk about the actions of the Zionists; they will be adequately dealt with by others. As a Jew, I plan to discuss Zionism, which is rebellion against G-d and treason to the Jewish people.
To begin with, a few definitions: Who is a Jew? A Jew is anyone who has a Jewish mother or who converted to Judaism in conformity with Halacha, Jewish religious law. This definition alone excludes racism. Judaism does not seek converts, but those who do convert are accepted on a basis of equality. Let us see how far this goes. Some of the most eminent and respected rabbis were converts to Judaism. Jewish parents throughout the world bless their children every Sabbath and holiday eve, and they have done it in the same way for millennia. If the children are girls, the blessing is, "May G-d let you be like Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah." Not one of these matriarchs was born a Jewess; they were all converts to Judaism. If the children are boys, the blessing is, "May G-d let you be like Ephraim and Menashe." The mother of these two was an Egyptian woman who became Jewish and had married Joseph. Moses himself, the greatest Jew who ever lived, married a Midianite woman who became Jewish. Finally, the Tenach, the holy writings of the Jew, contains the book of Ruth. This woman was not only not Jewish by birth, but she came from the Moabites, traditional enemies of the Jewish people. This book describes Ruth's conversion to Judaism and is read annually on the holiday commemorating the giving of the Torah, the "Law," i.e. the Pentateuch. At its very end, the book of Ruth traces the ancestry of King David, the greatest king the Jews ever had, to Ruth, his great-grandmother.
Apart from the Zionists, the only ones who consistently considered the Jews a race were the Nazis. And they only served to prove the stupidity and irrationality of racism. There was no way to prove racially whether a Mrs. Muller or a Mr. Meyer were Jews or Aryans (the Nazi term for non-Jewish Germans. The only way to decide whether a person was Jewish was to trace the religious affiliation of the parents or grandparents. So much for the this racial nonsense.
Racial pride has been the downfall of those Jews in the past who were blinded by their own narrow-minded chauvinism. This brings us to a second definition. Is there a Jewish people? If so, what is its mission? Let us make this completely clear: The Jewish nation was not born or reconstituted a generation ago by some Zionist politicians. The Jewish nation was born on Mount Sinai when the Jews by their response, "let us do and let us hear," adopted the Torah given to them by G-d for all future generations. `This day you become a people," though valid still today, was spoken thousands of years ago.
According to Jewish tradition, there are seven Noachide laws which apply to all human beings. Then there are the Ten Commandments which form basic standard of morality and conduct for adherents of all monotheistic religions. In addition to these, there are 613 laws obligatory for Jews, and every Jew has to observe those which are applicable to him or her according to Halacha. It is the carrying out of these mitzvoth, "commandments," which constitutes the essence of being Jewish, and therefore of the Jewish people and their covenant with G-d.
In what way are the Jews a "chosen people"? Every Jewish man anywhere and at any time when called to the reading of the Torah says, "Who has chosen us from all the peoples and gave us His Torah." This is the way in which the Jews are chosen. The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind. "And the hands are the hands of Esau," has been traditionally interpreted to mean that while "the voice is Jacob's," the hands- - symbolizing violence - are Esau's. Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behavior and spiritual purity. Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people.
One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds, and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah (candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts."
The infamous founder of political Zionism, may his name be cursed, who only discovered his own Jewishness because of anti-Semitism displayed at the Dreyfus trial in France, proposed various solutions to what he called the "Jewish problem." At one point he proposed to resettle the Jews in Uganda. At another he proposed to convert them to Catholicism. He finally hit on the idea of a Judenstaat, an exclusive Jewish state. Thus from its very beginning Zionism was a result of Anti-Semitism and indeed is completely compatible with it, because Zionists and anti-Semites had (and have) a common goal: To bring all Jews from their places of domicile to the Zionist state, thus uprooting Jewish communities that had existed for hundreds and even thousands of years. Loyalty to the Zionist state was substituted for loyalty to G-d, and the state was made into the modern "golden calf". Belief in the Torah and fulfillment of religious obligations in Zionist eyes became a private matter and not a duty for every Jew or for the Jewish people. The Zionists made divine law subject to party or parliamentary votes, and they set their own standards of conduct and ethics.
Neither the founder of political Zionism nor any of the prime ministers of the Zionist state believed in the divine origin of the Torah nor even in the existence of G-d. All prime ministers were members of a party that opposed religion in principle and that considered the Bible a document of ancient folklore, devoid of any religious meaning. And yet these same Zionists base their claim to the Holy Land on this same Bible, the divine origin of which they deny. At the same time they conveniently forget the Jewish holiday prayer "and for our sins have we been exiled from our land," and ignore the fact that the present exile of the Jewish people is divinely decreed and that the Jewish people are neither commanded nor permitted to conquer or rule the Holy Land before the coming of the Messiah. The Jewish people do, of course, recognize special spiritual ties to that land they call it Eretz Yisrael. Every morning, afternoon, and evening, and night they mention it and Zion and Jerusalem in their prayers, and indeed a Jew does not sit down to a meal without doing likewise. To the Jew, the very soil of the Holy Land is different from that of any other spot on this globe, and wherever he is he turns his face toward Jerusalem during prayers. To live in the Holy Land or even to be buried there was always considered to be of high merit.

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This love of the land and the Jewish longing for a return to it and for the coming of the Messiah have been exploited innumerable times during the past 2,000 years. Zionism has had many precursors and each has been a curse for the Jews. Individuals who proclaimed themselves the Messiah and messianic movements have sprung up from time to time, from the Roman era through the Middle Ages and down to the modern Zionists. Many of these pseudo-Messiahs posed as rabbis or as national leaders, though some of them eventually professed other faiths; many temporarily - some for longer periods - succeeded in misleading Jews, rabbis, and entire Jewish communities. All were in due course exposed and recognized as frauds, and those who had set their hope on them found only disappointment and all too often disaster.
In the early stages of the development of modern Zionism, the Mizrachi was founded, an organization of so-called religious Zionists who tried to combine their faith with political Zionism. This led to constant conflict between the dictates of divine law and the demands of Jewish nationalism. Most of the time, the Mizrachi was outvoted at Zionist congresses and served only to give the Zionist movement a false religious aura. Whenever expediency called for it, these "religious" Zionist fellow-travelers have been used by the Zionist government to underpin national claims with "religious" authority. The National Religious Party in the Zionist state has been well rewarded for giving its stamp of approval to nationalistic measures and enactments, whether these rewards were of financial nature or in the form of cabinet or other government posts. The chauvinism of these religious Zionists frequently exceeded that of other Zionists, and it was always couched in religious terms - a prime example of the abuse of religion. The fraudulence of these "religious" Zionists was demonstrated during the past year when it was revealed that two of their world leaders had committed million-dollar thefts.
A Jewish world organization was founded in 1912 on the German-Polish border with the specific purpose of fighting Zionism. This organization, Agudath Israel, "Union of Israel," was to represent the true Jewish people in the world and to unmask the unwarranted and unjust claims of the Zionists. Rabbis everywhere joined Agudath Israel, as did masses of observant Jews. Anti-Zionist congresses were convened in Vienna and in Marienbad. In countries such as Poland, Agudists were members of parliament. Under Agudah leadership more than 50 years ago, Jews in the Holy Land opposed to Zionism obtained permission from Britain, the mandatory power in Palestine, to declare in writing that they did not wish to be represented by the Zionists or any of their groups, particularly not by the Zionist quasi-governmental organizations such as the Va'ad Leumi, "National Council."
Shortly thereafter, Jacob de Haan, a former distinguished Dutch diplomat who was then leader of Agudath Israel in Palestine, initiated talks with Arab leaders with a view toward the eventual establishments of a state there in which Jews and Arabs would have equal rights. In this way he hoped to forestall the creation of a Zionist state. Despite threats to his life, de Haan, fully aware of the ultimate dangers of a Zionist state, continued his talks and negotiations. On the eve of his departure in 1924 for Britain to meet with authorities there, he was assassinated by the Haganah, the Zionist paramilitary force, in the center of Jerusalem as he came from evening prayers. More than a half a century ago, this devout and visionary Jew gave his life in a fight that he considered paramount, at a time when the world at large was still blind and deaf to the difficulties and problems that a future Zionist state would entail.
As a result of such terrorism and increasing Zionist pressure, Agudath Israel gradually began to weaken and to compromise. During the Nazi period, it entered indo deals and arrangements with the Zionists, despite the fact that its fundamental aim had been to combat Zionism. After the Zionist state was established, Agudath Israel broke off with its past, participated in the Zionist government on the cabinet level and elected Agudists to the Zionist parliament. Still professing a nominal anti-Zionism, Agudath Israel established a network of "independent" schools in the Holy Land, but today the overwhelming part of the budget of these schools comes from the Zionist government.
In view of these developments, those Jews who wanted to continue the fight against Zionism without any compromise left Agudath Israel and constituted themselves as the Neturei Karta, an Aramaic phrase meaning "Guardians of the City," i.e. the city of Jerusalem. The Neturei Karta in turn became a worldwide movement, known in some places as "Friends of Jerusalem."
The greatest leader of the Neturei Karta was Rabbi Amram Blau, an inspired and dedicated leader whose compassion equaled his courage. He could not keep silent in the face of injustice, immorality, or hypocrisy. He was beloved by Jews and respected by Christians and Muslims. Born in Jerusalem, he never left the Holy Land during his entire life. In his writings he stressed many times that Jews and Arabs had lived in harmony until the advent of political Zionism. Rabbi Blau was imprisoned in Jerusalem, not by the Ottoman authorities, not by the British, and not by the Arabs, but by the Zionists. What was his crime? He defended with vigor and honesty, without regard for his own safety, the holy character of Jerusalem against the "innovations" and encroachments of the Zionists. He fought for the sanctity of the Sabbath and actively opposed the inroads of indecency and immorality made under the Zionist regime. Unceasingly he denounced the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah as an acct of infamy and blasphemy. Under his leadership, the Neturei Karta declared year after year that they did not recognize the legitimacy of the Zionist state or the validity of its laws.
During the first period of fighting between the Zionist state and the Arabs, the rabbis of the Neturei Karta went toward the combat lines, carrying a white flag, and stated that they wanted no part in this war and that they were absolutely opposed to the creation of a Zionist state. In his last proclamation, Rabbi Blau deplored the actions of the Zionists against the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and the grievous harm done by the Zionists to the Jewish people in endeavoring to change them from "a kingdom of priests and a holy nation" to a modern state, devoid of spiritual foundation, based on chauvinism, built on conquest, and relying on military prowess. "The number of your cities constitute your gods," the prophet Jeremiah had thundered to the chauvinist and idolatrous Jewish government of this day. Like it, the Zionists are now establishing a new status quo and expanding their position by founding new settlements in he territories occupied since 1967.
Rabbi Blau in his last statement severely condemned the UN for recognizing and accepting as a member the Zionist state, thus giving the Zionists unprecedented prestige and power. It is high time that the anti-Zionist nations listen to him, heed his plea, and undo this great wrong and correct this fatal error. It is well known that no action was taken concerning the expulsion of the Zionist state because of the fear that financial support for the UN would be withdrawn. Let those states, opposed to Zionism, who have become affluent during the past generation, show that they mean what they say by offering to replace any financial loss the UN may suffer as a consequence, and let the member states vote their conscience without fear and regardless of any intimidation.
There has been times before in Jewish history, as related in the Bible, when the masses were misled and only a minority of Jews clung to the true mission of the Jewish people. One of the first such of the occasions was the worship of the golden calf; today we unfortunately see a repetition of this, with the Zionist state now being the object of worship. Until the appearance and growing influence of political Zionism, Jewish leaders were chosen on the basis of their piety, decency, learning, and their love of justice and mercy. Today only too often so-called Jewish leaders, completely unqualified under Jewish law and traditional concepts, make pronouncements and decisions in the name and on behalf of the Jewish people. This is particularly true in the USA where there is the largest Jewish community in our time. I can never forget the remark of a woman in Oklahoma: "Isn't today's Judaism wonderful! All you have to do is give money."
Even at his death Rabbi Blau refuted the Zionists who had often claimed that the Neturei Karta was nothing but an insignificant sect of a few hundred souls. Yet when Rabbi Blau died in Jerusalem on a Friday morning two years ago, a few hours later no fewer than 22,000 men attended his funeral.
At all times in the past, the misleaders of the Jews have sooner or later fallen by the wayside, and only those who upheld the validity of the Torah and the Talmud (the written and oral law) and of Halachah, and who resisted the demagogues, prevailed. The Neturei Karta follow in this tradition. They continue as a living rebuke to Zionism and speak in our time for the true Jewish people, those who have not been misled by Zionism.
During the Roman conquest of the Holy Land, there were Jews who on the basis of nationalism and racial pride were sure that they could not lose a war. They, like the Zionists of our day, were opposed to any compromise or settlement; there were determined to fight to the end. At that time, however almost 2,000 years ago, the fore most rabbi, Rabbi Yochanan ben Sakkai, chose a different way.

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The military adventurers prevented him from leaving beleaguered Jerusalem to negotiate with the Romans, so the rabbi had himself carried out in a coffin by his disciples to the Roman headquarters. He said to the Romans that the Jews need neither an army nor weapons and asked for permission to establish a yeshiva, a Jewish religious school, at Yavneh. It was this religious school, and not the militarists or generals of the time, that helped to perpetuate Judaism and the identity of the Jewish people.
It must be stated explicitly that while not all Jews are Zionists, not all Zionists are Jews. The motives of some of these non-Jewish Zionists, e.g. Lord Balfour and General Smuts, are at least open to question. From the beginning of the Zionist movement, some of the most articulate and fervent Zionists have been Christian clergymen, especially "fundamentalists," who hail Zionism as an important "religious" movement and welcome it as a fulfillment of prophecy. They also, and significantly, serve the cause of Zionism.
One of the basic aims of Zionism is aliyah, the immigration to the Zionist state of Jews from all countries. Nevertheless, during the past few years hundreds of thousands of Israelis have outgathered themselves from the Zionist paradise, and American Jews have "voted with their feet" and have chosen not to be ingathered. These Jews recognize that the Zionist state is in fact nothing but a giant ghetto.
Instead of being able to render assistance to Jewish communities in other countries, American Jews have been mobilized to concentrate on helping the Zionist state, making the USA the real and major source of Zionist power and influence. The Zionists, true to the nature of their movement, rely on technical superiority and on a forbidding military deterrent - provided largely by the USA - for their security.
Nothing could be farther from the true ideals of the Jewish people. The Jewish people were chosen in the first place "for you are the leas of all nations." As the Psalm says, "they rely on vehicles and horsepower, but we invoke the name of the Eternal, our G-d."
One most vital point deserves mention. A former president of the World Zionist Organization has stated explicitly that a Zionist owes unqualified loyalty to the Zionist state and that, in the case of a conflict, the first loyalty of a Zionist must be to the Zionist state. According to Jewish law, however, a Jew owes allegiance and loyalty to the country of which he is a citizen, and, of course, no faithful Jews owes any loyalty or allegiance to the Zionist state which has been condemned by the foremost rabbis of our age.
It is not my purpose to detail how Zionism should be dealt with. Let me state, however, that isolated or spontaneous acts against individuals or the mere adoption of resolutions in the UN or elsewhere are not effective means of bringing an end to Zionism. Let me state also that the battle against Zionism must be waged first, not on the shores of the Mediterranean, but in Zionism's most powerful bastion -- the USA>
As an American citizen, I deplore that our government and our politicians have adopted an attitude that is in complete contradiction to the advice of the father of our country George Washington. Instead of shying away from foreign entanglements and permanent alliances with foreign powers, the establishment in Washington has embraced Zionism so wholeheartedly that in the eyes any criticism of the Zionist state and any opposition to political Zionism in the UN by any nation has become a punishable offense. And the docile American media do not dare to speak out against such an absurdity.
Unfortunately, thus far, each year sees still further gains in influence by American Zionists. This fact has made possible events and developments that were unthinkable even ten years ago. It takes a lot of courage to be opposed to Zionism in the USA today. It also took a lot of courage during the Second World War to be anti-Fascist in Italy or anti-Nazi in Germany. In the long run Zionism is nothing but a passing aberration in the long history of the Jewish people and of the world.
Let us take faith and hope in the certainty that eventually prejudice, hatred, and injustice will disappear, and that the prophecy will come true that all nations of the world will participate in the pilgrimage to Jerusalem "for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

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AOA
Sadia ! I can understand in which reaction you did this....but my dear, being a muslim, it does'nt suit us to do this comparison( although Bible has been altered by humans many times) but still we should respect the name Bible as it was the book of another Prophet....i know you did'nt mean to be offensive about Bible but it seemed slightly unreasonable ( as a Muslim)...........

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I do respect the name Bible, but not everything written in it. As you also already mentioned, becuase it has been altered by humans many times.

However, you mentioned:"but still we should respect the name Bible as it was the book of another Prophet.." From what I know, it's not completely the book of anotehr prophet, there are different books in it, of different prophets, as well as writings of 'normal people'.

But that wasn't actually my aim, to discuss all that, it was to let people realise to think before they say something bad about someones religion. (perhaps I did use the wrong way...) Most religions have the same kind of teachings. Why fight over that?

The most silliest fight is probably the fight between Christians, Muslims and Jews. These three fight against each other the most, and they still have the most in common. (is that the reason they fight so much?)

Instead of focusing on what differences we have, we should focus on similarities, and then learn to respect each others differences.

If you sincerely want to know something about someones religion, please do ask. Use facts, valid points, serious questions with the aim to learn something about it. But don't ridicule each other.

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I have an online petition here, against Zionism, which I truly see as a dangerous threat, and not a religion.

You can find the peition here:

Zionism is Racism

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To: The World

Zionism is based on the concept of ethnic superiority, of occupation, terrorism, plundering of resources and land, and racism against other religions.

While we wholeheartedly respect Judaism as a monotheistic religion, we know that, for decades, the United Nations, in its famous resolution, had established a parallel between Zionism and racism; Resolution 3379, which, in 1975, determined that “Zionism (sic) is a form of racism and racial discrimination.” Acknowledging that the General Assembly later rejected the resolution, we know that that was due to political reasons; the decision was not based on a conceptual position.

Of all the ignored resolutions passed by the UN against Israel, Resolution 3379 is the one that rankles Israel the most, perhaps proving the saying about the hurtfulness of the truth.

Indeed, Resolution 3379 referred back to the 1973 resolution condemning "the unholy alliance between South African racism and zionism, " and to the 1963 resolution which determined that “any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous.”

The Zionist Movement is a pure colonial movement that had used, and is still using, Judaism to serve its unlawful purposes. Zionism is not a representation of Judaism or a fulfillment of a Judicial prophecy. Decades of Zionist propaganda have misrepresented Zionism as a progressive, modern force bringing civilization to an arid, uninhabited wasteland; such an image is an illusion. Zionism is an apartheid philosophy. Its founder, Theodore Herzl, was dismayed by the mass anti-Semitism in France aroused by the Dreyfuss affair. He became convinced that the separation of the Jews from the Gentiles by ingathering all Jews in a separate Jewish nation was the only solution to the age old “Jewish problem.”

It was obvious from the beginning of Zionism that dispossession of the Palestinian majority, either politically or physically, would be an inevitable requirement for achieving a Jewish state. It was not only land that was needed to reach Zionism’s goal, but land without another people in the majority. Since Palestinian Arabs were by far the majority throughout the period up to Israel’s establishment as a Jewish state in 1948, the Zionist state could emerge only by denying the majority its rights or by becoming the majority, either through immigration, or in reducing the number of Palestinians by ethnic cleansing; what is happening now.

The UN General Assembly’s December, 1991, made the decision to invalidate Resolution 3379 equating Zionism with racism.

Today, we ask to resurrect the “Zionism is Racism” charge at the United Nations.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

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I stumbled on this aya while reading something else:

{Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. [16:125]

I guess maybe my way wasn't best and most gracious then, my apologies again....

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*Originally posted by sadya: *
Instead of focusing on what differences we have, we should focus on similarities, and then learn to respect each others differences.

If you sincerely want to know something about someones religion, please do ask. Use facts, valid points, serious questions with the aim to learn something about it. But don't ridicule each other.
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I agree 101%...and i must appreciate your thinking & effort..well done