Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

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Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

@zer01

“Behold! My Ahlul-Bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked in it was SAVED, and whoever turned away from it was PERISHED.”

Sunni references:

1. al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p343, v3, pp 150-151 on the authority of Abu Dhar. al-Hakim said this tradition is authentic (Sahih).

Rather al Dhahabi confirmed the weakness of al Hakim’s chain because of Mufadhal bin Salih who is in fact “rejected in hadith” according to al Bukhari.

As for some of your other attempted references for this report: the various chains recorded by al Tabarani rely on Abdullah ibn Dahir and al Hasan ibn Abi Ja’far both of whom are “abandoned”, or on Abdullah ibn Abd al Qudus who is adjudged weak by numerous hadith scholars, or the chains contain groups of unknown reporters as stated by al Haythami in his Majma al Zawa’id (14,981); al Bazzar’s report from Ibn Zubair contains Ibn Lahiyya, a well-known weak narrator; a similar report from Anas ibn Malik contains Aban ibn Abi Ayash who is accused of fabricating hadith. I doubt whether the other references are independent of these.

Another version of the “Tradition of Cloak” is written in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, which is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama (another wife of Prophet), which is as follows… [snip]… Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: “Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?” the Prophet replied: “You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending.”

Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663

Yes, but with a weak chain as al Tirmidhi himself indicates, “This hadith is gharib by this way…”, since it contains Ata ibn Abi Rabah who although usually reliable is well known for narrating by omitting his immediate authority (irsal) and whose hadith reporting is also said to have faded in later life. The question and answer exchanged between the Prophet (saw) and Umm Salama (r) is recorded in various ways so you might want to check the other routes of transmission and wordings as well.

If Umm Salama (RA) was among Ahlul-Bayt, why didn’t the Prophet answer her positively?

See the hadith in al Tabarani’s Mu’jam al Kabir where the Prophet (saw) variously answers Umm Salama’s question with, “If Allah wills” and also, “And you are [included] with us.”

[66:6] O you who believe! save yourselves and your families…

Meaning that a person’s wives are part of his family given what you want us to understand from the preceding two verses..

It is the height of shi-ite hypocrisy that they boast about a hadith being reported by “30+ companions” yet likely curse and spit on the names of those same companions when everyone’s back is turned… pretty pathetic really…

and Sheraz CT, please don’t forget all the other paths:

• the Prophet’s (saw) sunnah (al Muwatta, Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, al Hakim)
• the rightly guided khalifahs after him (Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah)
• his companions (al Tirmidhi, al Hakim)
• the jama’ah (Abu Dawud, al Darimi)
• the large majority (Ibn Majah)