vinegar is halal we know it !
BUT
are all types of vinegar halal…???
i mean i’m confused when i check the labels like ‘sherry vinegar’ or ‘red wine vinegar’
please try to provide authentic sources
thanx in advance
i think any vinegar that specifically says 'sherry vinegar' or 'red wine' vinegar' would not be halaal.
Re: quick help needed
Wine vinegar
Originally the French word vinaigre, from which we get our word vinegar, meant sour wine, but now it embraces all similar liquids where alcohol is turned into acetic acid. As you might expect, wine vinegar comes either red or white, and the best quality is that made by the Orléans method, which, because of its long, slow fermentation in oak casks, has depth of flavour without the overpowering acidity.
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so...wats the verdict on this
haram or halal...????
all i know vinegar is always a product of double fermentation ....one time fermented products are alcoholic as wine etc.....
so in that case all vinegars should be halal ....but i'm not sure n thats why i need a clear statement :)
anyway thanks for replying :)
Usually if I have doubt about something, or not sure, I just stay away.
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well, i try to stay away too ....but its vinegar this time ....n i really can't stay away , especially when its for medicinal purpose:)
Normal vinegar is made from wine that is fermented so that all the alcohol turns to ethanoic acid, otherwise known as acetic acid (the bitter taste of vinegar).
When something says "cider vinegar" or "sherry vinegar", what this means is that the drink that the vinegar started off as was cider or sherry. Again, through fermentation, all of the alcohol had been turned to ethanoic acid.
The naming is different because the taste of the different types of vinegar is distinct.
DIFFERENT VINEGARS AND THEIR HALAL STATUS
The terminology for vinegar is different in USA compared to UK. Here is US terminology for vinegar products:
Vinegar or Apple Vinegar:
The vinegar made from cider is called vinegar or apple vinegar. Apple cider in USA is a non-fermented apple juice where as in UK it is a fermented apple juice (Haram).
Distilled Vinegar/Spirit Vinegar/Grain Vinegar:
Distilled vinegar is obtained by acetous fermentation of dilute alcohol without addition of color. It is also called Spirit or Grain Vinegar. It is considered as Halal vinegar.
Malt Vinegar:
This vinegar is made by alcoholic and subsequent acetous fermentation of an infused malted barley or cereals. The malted barley is obtained by converting the barley through use of enzyme to malted barley during malting process. It is considered as Halal vinegar.
Wine Vinegar:
Wine vinegar is made by alcoholic and subsequent acetous fermentation of juices of grape or wine (only through acetous fermentation). If it is red in color then it is a red wine vinegar. If it is pale or off white color then it is white wine vinegar. Wine vinegar is not Halal because of left over wine and its flavors.
Balsamic Vinegar:
It is made from Rebiano grape which has higher sugar content than any other grapes in Modena, Italy. It is made from “Must” a unfermented grape juice, it is then boiled to make a concentrated juice, Mother vinegar which found on the top of vinegar is added to concentrated juice. This mother vinegar contains yeast and bacteria which convert the juice to wine then to acetic acid. Then it is stored in barrels for several years. It is not considered as a Halal vinegar because of left over wine and wine flavors.
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personally, i hold the opinion same as of mad scientist ...
but swera's reply made me more confused
swera ....please can you provide me more info .....from religious point of view .....i mean , muslim consumers don't mention who says its halal or haram , do they ????
thanx for input though
^^ I'll try my best...
Q- Are wine and spirit vinegar halal? Considering all vinegar is made from oxidising a form of alcohol and that normal vinegar is supposed to be halal?
Ans: Praise be to Allaah.
Vinegar is a well known basic foodstuff, made from wine of which the composition has changed so that it is no longer sweet but is acidic or sour.
Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1623)
When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars, because of the hadeeth quoted above.
But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible.
The Shafi’is, Hanbalis and some of the Maalikis say that it is not permissible to deliberately change wine to vinegar because then it is not pure. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.’” (Reported by Muslim).
Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Reported by Muslim).
The reason for this is:
Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded us to avoid wine. Keeping it and treating it until it turns into vinegar means handling it and being involved with it by storing it and benefitting from it, and this is not permitted.
It is permitted for a Muslim to buy vinegar from someone who is selling it, unless he realizes or comes to know that it was produced by means of a deliberate process. ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “… There is nothing wrong with a man buying vinegar from the people of the Book, if they sell it, so long as he knows that they did not deliberately process it from wine.” (Al-Mughni, 8/330)
And Allaah knows best.
**Praise be to Allaah.
Vinegar is a well known basic foodstuff, made from wine of which the composition has changed so that it is no longer sweet but is acidic or sour.
Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What a good food is vinegar.” (Reported by Muslim, 3/1623)
When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars, because of the hadeeth quoted above.
But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible.
The Shafi’is, Hanbalis and some of the Maalikis say that it is not permissible to deliberately change wine to vinegar because then it is not pure. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.’” (Reported by Muslim).
Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Reported by Muslim).
The reason for this is:
Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded us to avoid wine. Keeping it and treating it until it turns into vinegar means handling it and being involved with it by storing it and benefitting from it, and this is not permitted.
It is permitted for a Muslim to buy vinegar from someone who is selling it, unless he realizes or comes to know that it was produced by means of a deliberate process. ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “… There is nothing wrong with a man buying vinegar from the people of the Book, if they sell it, so long as he knows that they did not deliberately process it from wine.” (Al-Mughni, 8/330)
And Allaah knows best.
(Bidaayat al-Mujtahid li Ibn Rushd, 1/461; Kashshaaf al-Qinaa’ li’l-Bahwati, 1/187; Fath al-Qadeer li Ibn al-Hammaam, 8/166; al-Majmoo’ li’l-Nawawi, 1/225; al-Mughni li Ibn Qudaamah, 8/319).
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)**
Q- Is it Halal to use Vinegar that has red wine in its ingredients and also Honey mustard that has white wine included in its ingredients.
A-All products containing wine are forbidden (Haraam) and must be avoided. (SANHA)
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
**Praise be to Allaah.
It was reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever intoxicates in large quantities, a small amount of it is haraam.” (Narrated by Ahmad in al-Musnad, 2/91, 167, 179; 3/343). If the vinegar would cause intoxication in large amounts, then a little of it is haraam, and it comes under the same ruling as wine. If a large amount of it does not cause intoxication, then there is no reason not to sell it, buy it or drink it.
Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/47 (www.islam-qa.com)**
I still disagree with the posts that Swera made, because I do not believe that all of the facts given are correct. On the other hand, closer examination of my previous post indicates that I was not completely correct either - sherry vinegar is allowed to contain up to 1% alcohol.
However the fatwa that Dhulfiqar gave is the bottom line - if something intoxicates, then it is haraam, if not, then it's halaal. I've seen this ruling given in a religious ruling to justify drinking Pepse as halaal, even though pepsi contains a very small amount of alcohol. The scholar said that because drinking even a large amount of Pepsi has never been known to cause intoxication, it would be halaal.
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so if i dont get intoxicated by wine, its a green signal for me????
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so if i dont get intoxicated by wine, its a green signal for me????
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Wine is known to cause intoxication, hence it would be haraam, by the fatwa Dhulfikar posted.