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Assalam o alaikum ladies and gentlemen,
I have been thinking on some topics for a while and i would like to get some answers so i hope you people wil help me.

  1. Is music allowed in Islam? If no why( give some reference from quraan or hadith) and if yes, then why do our “maulvies” criticize music?

  2. Are photos allowed in Islam? If no why?

  3. Is painting allowed in Islam? If no why?

  4. Is television allowed in Islam?

  5. Is democracy allowed in Islam?

  6. What is the difference between democracy and Caliphate?

There are differences in opinion amongst the learned ulema on every single point above. You will find Muslim scholars who argue that all of the above are lawful in Islam; you will also find Muslim scholars who argue that they are all unlawful.

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*Originally posted by echo: *
Assalam o alaikum ladies and gentlemen,
I have been thinking on some topics for a while and i would like to get some answers so i hope you people wil help me.

  1. Is music allowed in Islam? If no why( give some reference from quraan or hadith) and if yes, then why do our "maulvies" criticize music?

  2. Are photos allowed in Islam? If no why?

  3. Is painting allowed in Islam? If no why?

  4. Is television allowed in Islam?

  5. Is democracy allowed in Islam?

  6. What is the difference between democracy and Caliphate?
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humans have eyes to see images and pictures. what else you need
eyes for.

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*Originally posted by echo: *
Assalam o alaikum ladies and gentlemen,
I have been thinking on some topics for a while and i would like to get some answers so i hope you people wil help me.

  1. Is music allowed in Islam? If no why( give some reference from quraan or hadith) and if yes, then why do our "maulvies" criticize music?

  2. Are photos allowed in Islam? If no why?

  3. Is painting allowed in Islam? If no why?

  4. Is television allowed in Islam?

  5. Is democracy allowed in Islam?

  6. What is the difference between democracy and Caliphate?
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search the forum......u can also search we for this..........

as far i am concerned music is haram....dont wanna start all the fuss here but if u wanna discuss the things u r welcome.........

otherwise try not to open the debate where we r never gonna unite on......

Mad's answer is the best..

also look out for the two-faced opinions where people would declare something haraam but themself be found doing the exact same things they declared haraam for everyone else..

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*Originally posted by echo: *
1. Is music allowed in Islam? If no why( give some reference from quraan or hadith) and if yes, then why do our "maulvies" criticize music?

depends on what type of music, and what purpose its serving....
and if u mean songs n all, then thats a big NO NO....

  1. Are photos allowed in Islam? If no why?

yes....
but dont put em up on the wall for worship....

  1. Is painting allowed in Islam? If no why?

of animals and humans, NO....
why? cuz its prohibited by saheeh hadith....

  1. Is television allowed in Islam?

yes....

  1. Is democracy allowed in Islam?

no....

  1. What is the difference between democracy and Caliphate?

the way the leader is elected/selected....

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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
humans have eyes to see images and pictures. what else you need
eyes for.
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so all you do is see images and pictures with your eyes? hmmmm

assalam o alaikum armughal
thank you very much for replying but can you plz tell me that Hadith because i wan't to know the exact words. Maybe, painting is just not encouraged but not forbidden. Anyway, then if it is not allowed then all the video games are not allowed because the characters had been painted. and also the pictures in the text-books. Can it not be allowed in special circumstances, such as for study.

Taking about the way Caliph is elected, then what is the way. AbuBakr was selected in a different way. Umar was just nominated by AbuBakr. Usman was elected by a committee and Ali was elected in very strange circumstances, which led to a war. And later, Caliphate just turned into Kingdom, in which King's son succeeded him.

echo, most of these are not disputed matters at all. Music/pictures(or paitings) are considered haram by consensus. The opposing views are not held by scholars, but mostly those who are students, or basically those who are ‘media people’, such as Yusuf Al Qaradawi who thinks both these things are allowed.

Here is something regarding music (if you want to read indepth on this topic): http://www.islamworld.net/music.html

Television is closely connected to the issue of photos being allowed. As far as I know photos are considered forbidden as well. There are some gray areas here because you are not really painting a picture, just capturing a human person.

Re: democracy. The Quran states that those who rule by other than what Allah has revealed are disbelievers. Since the concept of democracy revolves around the majority opinion of people (and not according to the Book) then democracies are not considered islamic systems. So the difference is that a caliphate must rule by Allah in all matters.

About images as well I'd urge you to search the net yourself. But here is a little bit if you would like. Read and draw your own conclusions:

Ahadeeth Concerning Tasweer (Pictures)
Shaykh 'Abdul-'Aziz bin Baaz rahimahullaah

Image Makers will be punished on the Day of Judgement

Narrated Abdullaah ibn 'Umar (d.73H) radiallaahu 'anhu: Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said, "Those who make these images (suwar) will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, make alive what you have created." (Al-Bukhaaree 7/541, no.835; Muslim, 3/160, no.,5268)

Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar (d.852H) says, "It is a command to do that which one is unable to do. From it we get a description of how the punishment of the image-maker will be. He will be ordered to breathe the soul into the image which he has made and he will not be able to do so. As a result his punishment will continue (UNCEASINGLY)." (Fath ul-Baaree, 10/398).

It should also be mentioned that there must be consideration in this matter if the making of a picture is necessitate by urgency or emergency, such as x-rays for identification or diagnosis of a disease or sickness. In this case the condition is that the picture itself be not the immediate goal or objective. This is based on the rule is Usool al-fiqh: necessity should be measured by the existing circumstances. Whatever goes beyond that, to the point of being done out of pride, and enjoyment of these images, is forbidden. (Nuzhatul Muttaqeen, 2/1150, no.1680)

The Command to Remove Curtains Containing Images

'Aaisha (d.58H) radiallaahu 'anhaa reported that Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam came back from a journey and I had screened my door with a curtain having (images) of winged horses on it. He sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam commanded me (to remove it). So I pulled it down. This is the wording narrated by Muslim

Al- Bukhaaree's narration is, "I had hung a thick curtain having images (tamaatheel). He sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam commanded me to remove it, so I pulled it down." [Bukhaaree, 7/542]

Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr says, "It has the word tamaatheel which is the plural of timthaal and refers to something whose image is made; and it is more general than to be limited to shaakhis (that which has body like a statue) or naqsh (engraved), dahn (painting), or nasaj (weaved) in a cloth. In the narration of Bukair ibn al-Ashajj from Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Al-Qaasim, reported by Muslim (3/1159, no.5265), it contains the words ".. she hung up a curtain which had in it tasaaweer (images)."." (Fath ul-Baaree, 10/401. no.5955)

See also Ahmad 6/208, 6/281, where 'Aaisha's narration contains, "... she said then he sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam tore it up."

Pulling Down and Tearing up Curtains Containing Images

'Aaisha radiallaahu 'anhaa reported that she had a curtain which had images (tasaweer) in it. Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam entered (the room) and pulled it down. 'Aaisha said, "I then tore it and prepared two cushions from it." A man who was present at the time when this Hadith was being narrated and whose name was Rabeeah ibn 'Ataa ibn al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad was one of the students of al-Qaasim ibn Muhamma, asked, "Didn't you hear Abu Muhammad (al-Qaasim, the narrator from 'Aaisha), making mention of 'Aaisha radiallaahu 'anhaa having stated that Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam used to recline on them (the two cushions)?" Abdur-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim said, "No, but I heard al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad saying so." (Muslim, 3/1159, no.5265, footnote 2518).

'Abdul-Hameed Siddiqui in his commentary of the English Translation of Saheeh Muslim, (3/1159, footnote 2518, English trans) says: "One may ask the question if the cloth having pictures on it is forbidden to be used as a curtain, why is it not forbidden to be used as a cushion? The answer is that when the cloth having pictures upon it is torn into pieces and sewn in another shape, the pictures lose their form altogether and they no longer remain pictures. Moreover hanging-pictures are more conspicuous, while those on cushions, etc, become insignificant."

This is similar to what al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar said concerning the reconciliation ('jam) between the following Hadith containing the words, "... he tore (the curtain containing images) apart ... so we turned the curtains into one or two cushions", and the next Hadith containing the words "She bought a cushion having images on it. When Allaah's messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam saw it he stopped at the door and did not enter ... he sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam added: Angels do not enter a house in which there are images."

al-Haafidh says another possible explanation for reconciliation between the two Hadith is that when the curtain was cut up, the cutting could have been, for example, in the middle of the image, thereby changing it from its original form. For this reason he sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam began to use it to lean on.

The Most Severely Punished People on the Day of Resurrection Will Be Those Who Try to Imitate Allaah's Creation

Narrated 'Aaisha radiallaahu 'anhaa that Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam returned from a journey when I had placed a curtain of mine having images (tamaatheel) over (the door of) a chamber of mine. When Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam saw it, he tore it apart and said: "The People who will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try the make the like of Allaah's creation." So we turned the curtains into one or two cushions / pillows." (al-Bukhaaree, 7/542, no.838)

In another narration he sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said "... those who make these images." (Bukhaaree, 8/83, no.130)

In the narration of Muslim it contains the words, "... he tore it apart and the colour of his face underwent a change." (Muslim 3/1159, no.5261) In the narration of az-Zuhree from al Qaasim as reported by Muslim "... those who try to imitate (make similar to) the creation of Allaah (alladheena yushabbihoona bi khalq Allaah)." Muslim 3/1158, no.5258)

Ibn Hajr discusses the words "... a curtain of mine having images". In the narration of Abu Usamah in the Saheeh of Muslim it contains the additional words, "... curtains having images of winged horses on it". This Hadith has been used as an evidence for the permissibility of possession of images (suwar) if they are those which have no shadow (two-dimensional) with the condition that they be of those which are walked over, trampled upon, and used in a degrading manner, like cushions, and pillows.

An-Nawawee said, "This is the saying of the majority of the scholars from among the sahaba (companions) and the taa'bieen (students of the companions). It is also the opinion of ath-Thawri, Maalik, Abu Hanifah, and ash-Shaafi'ee. There is no difference (in this prohibition) between that which has a shadow and that which has no shadow. For if it was handing on a wall, worn as clothing, or a turban, or what is similar to that - of those things which are not considered to be in a state of degradation or dishonour - it is haraam (prohibited)."

Ibn Hajar says there are some exceptions or objections to what an-Nawawee has mentioned. The following are some of those objections:

  1. Ibn al-'Arabee, the Maaliki Faqih, has transmitted the opinion that surah (images) which have a shadow (like statues) are haraam by ijma' (consensus) equally so whether it is in a state of dishonour or not. This consensus does not cover dolls which are played with by girls.

Al-Qurtubee has related in his explanation of Saheeh Muslim entitled al-Mufhim, two sayings in reference to the images which are not meant to be permanent, like that made from clay. The most correct of the two sayings is that it is prohibited.

Ibn al-'Arabee considers correct the opinion that the image (surah) which has no shadow, if it remains intact - not being torn or effaced - is forbidden. This, being so equally, if it is of that which is degraded or not. However if its head is cut off or its parts are separated then it is allowed.

Dislike of Entering a House Where There Are Images Even if Those Images Were in That Which is Sat Upon (Dishonoured) Like a Cushion

Narrated 'Aaisha radiallaahu 'anhaa, the wife of the Prophet sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, who said: I bought a cushion (numruqah) having images (tasaweer) on it. When Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam saw it, he stopped at the door and did not enter. She noticed the signs of strong disapproval on his face. She said "O Allaah's Messenger! I turn to Allaah and His Messenger in repentance. What sin have I committed?" He said, "What is this cushion for?" I said, "I have bought it for you to sit and recline on." Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said "The makers of these images (suwar) will be punished (severely) on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said to them, make alive what you have created." He sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam added, "Angels do not enter a house in which there are images (suwar)." (al-Bukhaaree, 7/545, no.844), Muslim 3/1159, no.5266)

Angels Do Not Enter A House Where There are Images

Abu Hurairah radiallaahu 'anhu reported Allaah's Messenger sallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam as saying, "Angels do not enter a house (or any other place) where there are statues (tamatheel) or pictures (Tasaweer)." (Muslim 3/1162, no.5276)

Well Ammarr thank you very much for such a comprehensive reply. If all these things are really forbidden then in todays world we are all drenched in these sins. Tell me Ammarr, theologians claim that Islam is a mild religion and for all ages.Its teachings are applicable in all times. Well, then can you imagine ur life without music, photos, pictures, TV. I mean they have kind of become a necessity. There is no house which doesn't have a picture ,does that mean angels don't enter anyone's house? Why does Islam seem so ancient in its outlook. Why can't we have an agreement between the present world and Islam. The only way it seems to act on Islam nowadays is to run away from cities, go into the jungles and spend ur life there.