Questions, Questions, Questions : Passion of the Christ

[little_human]

*Originally posted by I’m Kool: *

If christianity was already present at jesus’ time, than his life was pretty worthless. Mary was jew, everyone he knew was jew (with the exception of romans) and he himself was a jew. He wanted to bring change to judaism, thus he got crucified for it (not killed, i hope you know). Since jews didnt want to have any change in their religion, they collabrated with the romans to get him crucified. Christinaity came into being some 50 to 100 years after his “death”.

Yeah I Know he was not killed. I thought kay if one follows Hazrat Mohammad :saw: then he has become a muslim. Likewise I thought “Jesus” had some followers and thus they would be called Christians.

*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Dear little human,

It is working for a while, but soon it would vanish, you would find RAham, karam, weeping for all, but for family of Rasoul; so much so people concoct stories to ignore the real facts. They would give importance to Yazeed’s instance of asking for forgiveness ,to prove he was pious, and they ask for his forgiveness by saying Rahmat ullah aleh or Raziallah hou Taalla.

I do not know ahlal Baite Rasoul were so unlucky or those who ignore them and want that there may not any one left in the world , who recognizes them and love them as Rasoul had asked in Quran.

When i have read every ones reply above and your post I really could not control my self , on the BEKASI of grand son of Rasoul, that why shall people hate him, his family, his children, his father , his mother and love those who hurt them all the way after the VESAL of prophet Mohammed.

Why all muslims can not be ASHKBAR on WAQETAL KARBALLA.? Why shall people ignore that Quran says RAH HE KHUDA MEI SHAHEED HOUNE WALAY ZINDA HEIN UN KOU MURDA MAT KAHOU.

Why shall they forget that QURAN SAYS Cry more and laugh less.? Why shall not we (whole muslim ummah) decides and opts crying for his BEKASI and Sorrows and DARBADARI than to choose option to laugh for him getting shahadad (as one sect says).

Why Hussain , his father, his mother, his sisters ,his brothers, his sons and daughters are apparently so unlucky that there is one QOUM who works to decrease the people who are different from others due to the fact that they have choosen to be sad with the sorrows of prophet mohammed’s family. They are treated every where, every muslim country as if loving them and getting sad on their problems is a sin, and for that they are not worth staying alive in this world.

What do they do? They only do not like three persons for the very reason that they have found in their SENA BA SENA ELIM that those three had made that family sad at different times
, and Rasoul’s beloved daughter, injured first and later died due to their cruelity on her, just 6 months after the death of her father, who was a prophet Mohammed. She was just 18 years old then.

Why shall they not bear some sect to love Rasoul’s family the way those people feel to express their love, to prophet and his family. What is the problem with these sects?

They even do not think that Rasoul has asked AJRE RESALAT to love this family. Why are these people in their heart so cruel on Hussain’s family; that they do not care even for their AAqebat?

Whose fault? where muslims have gone wrong? why have they gone wrong?
MAAZRAT KAY SATH to all who do not agree to my point of view. Bye sokoon

Laughing and crying is FITRATE INSAN. Those who try to do against human nature they are doing wrong. Why ----???

:flower1: I totally get you are saying.

At times I wonder myself, Hazrat Fatima (a.s.) is the lady of heaven, Hazrat Imam Hasan (a.s.) and Hazrat Imam Hussain (a.s.) are the prince of heaven.

If we don’t even feel sorrowful or cry for what they and their family had gone through.

Jannat mein aiiikkkkkk bhee kadham kaisay rakhein gay. How will we enter the gates of heaven?

For in the sufferings of the Ahle Bait (a.s), there’s a lot to learn.

*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *

Dear little human,

This website gives a catholic perspective on the ^.

http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Apr2004/Feature1.asp

Sort of a long read… but the opinion here is that Jesus’ was reciting Psalm 22…

1.) My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?

2.) O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer; and by night, but find no rest.

3.) Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.

4.) In you our ancestors trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them.

5.) To you they cried, and were saved; in you they trusted, and were not put to shame…

You can read entire Psalm 22 at ^ website.

At ^ website the opinion is:

Jesus makes his own the prayer of the psalmist, an innocent man who is suffering because of his fidelity to God’s will in his life…and these are not words of despair but an expression of faith.

Thanks

I heard from another Christian that “Jesus” did not want to die, the lady that appeared in the film who looked like a satan was the image of temptation.

But then I thought “Jesus” is God as per your perpective. Then why wouldn’t he want to be crucified? I was told because he was a human and no human wants to be crucified.

But then if he’s not God but son of God and he is human, then why be afraid of getting crucified, isn’t that the will of God.

This really confuses me, he is God, or son of God, or just a human in your perspective.

Especially when the movie begins, I thought it was a mad man in the movie, I had no idea why he was getting so desperate so worried and all that. And then I realised it was “jesus” :smack:

It’s so confusing :mudhosh:

[little_human]

*Originally posted by MyStiCaL_MisS: *
What does Ahlu Bait (a.s) mean?
Sorry if its a dumb question..

The Holy descendants/family members of our Prophet Mohammad :saw:

*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
little human,

According to Ahmadiyya Muslim belief, Hazrat Isa (as) was actually put to the cross but when taken down, he was still alive but unconcious. Later he migrated to the lost sheep of Israel (i.e. other tribes). I wanted to put this belief of mine up front, so you know where I am coming from and my biasness in the following answers.

When “Jesus” was on the cross, the said “O Lord, why have you forsaken me?” ← something like that. This really puzzled me. I mean they way he was saying this etc. What does this imply? What does it really mean?

Hazrat Isa (as) was promised by Allah SWT that he will be saved. Therefore, he prophesized that he will show the miracle of Jonas [Matthew 16: 4]. If you didn’t know, Prophet Jonas was the one who stayed in the belly of a fish (presumably whale) and came out alive after three days. All traditions suggest he didn’t die in the fish’s belly. **It is also reported in the book of Mathew that Hazrat Isa (as) prayed to Allah SWT in the Garden of Gethsemane that if possible he may be spared from this cup (of crucifixion) [Matthew 26 : 39] Now, when he was finally put to the cross, in anguish & anxiety he cried out ‘Oh Lord, why have you forsaken me?’ .. **

Why was “Mary” and the other girl wiping his (“Jesus’s”) blood on the floor with those white cloths?

I do not recall such a tradition from Bible but I am not an expert on it. It might as well be movie direction addition?

It’s weird that when “Jesus” was paraded, a girl approached him to give him water and a guard kicked the cup away and then when he’s about to die they soak a sponge and let him wet his mouth. Why?

Historians disagree about this practice but the most prevalent idea is that the Romans wanted the criminals put on the cross to die of pain, not of thirst. While others argue that they were humane enough to at least give the person being punished, a last sip.

Why did the ladies covered their heads in the movie? Is that what christians women used to do?

It’s a Judeo-Christian tradition from long. This is the very reason orthodox Christian women usually cover their hair. Catholic nuns do it for the same reason.

There were two other guys who were crucified next to “Jesus”. Who are they and why were they crucified. Also why did “Jesus” say to the other guy who was crucified on his right that he’d go to heaven with him?

It is reported in the Gospels, the truth of which only Allah knows!

Thanks for your reply.

Firstly, I was told by another Christian that “Jesus” was not given a sip of water but of vinegar - this is to further torture him.

Anyone heard of this?

Secondly, I might be wrong, but from the Ahmedi or christian perspective, why would “jesus” be asked to be spared from crucification. After all if this is the will of God.

Let me tell you where I am coming from, for example, Hazrat Abrahim :saw: he was asked to sacrifice his son. Any parent would know how precious kids are. Apnee jain say bhee payaray hotay hain. And he was ready to do that but was stopped.

Also as shia (so also know where I am coming from), Hazrat Imam Hussain (a.s.) literally gave everything, his precious little infant, his young sons, his brother, his companions, his sisters and the ladies rida. But I have not heard kay he questioned why do this to me or something like that.

Do you get what I mean?

[The_Old_Man]

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*Originally posted by little human: *
Firstly, I was told by another Christian that "Jesus" was not given a sip of water but of vinegar - this is to further torture him.

Anyone heard of this?

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According to the Gospels it was vinegar.

[little_human]

^ Thanks can you answer the other questions too?

[armughal]

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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *

many prophets (as) were martyred by bani israel including Zakariya (as) and his son Yahya (as)....

mughal Bhai, do you have a reference for this.

If I remember correctly, the only one martyred was John the Baptist. Though I could be wrong, thus the question.
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2:112

3:181

4:155

these verses will tell u of bani israel killing the prophets....
to me they were martyred when they were killed....
wud u like to call them something else????

[The_Old_Man]

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*Originally posted by little human: *
^ Thanks can you answer the other questions too?
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I haven't seen the movie and therefor can't comment on some of your questions except where it pertinently refers to something in the Gospels/Bible.

[little_human]

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*Originally posted by The Old Man: *

I haven't seen the movie and therefor can't comment on some of your questions except where it pertinently refers to something in the Gospels/Bible.
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Oh I see never mind then. :)

[AvgAmericanGirl]

Firstly. I haven't seen the movie. I don't think I ever will. I saw a couple previews and blood. I can't understand such things. I can't watch violence.

Jesus is not God.

In the catholic belief Jesus is the son of God.

Jesus himself in the gospels is regarded as son of man.

If you concider Jesus as son of man.......not hard to understand catholic verison of God.

[ahmadjee]

armaghul,

Your references are a bit off. They talk of the general trend of Bani-Israel to seek ways to slay their prophets, which is a very common trait of all disbelievers. None of the verses mention Hazrat Zakaria (as) in perticular.

Earlier you said and I quote "many prophets (as) were martyred by bani Israel including Zakariya (as) and his son Yahya (as)...."

And I wanted to know what your source was. It doesn't need to be a quranic verse, if you heard it/read it somewhere just say so. As from my research only Hazrat Yahya (as) [John the Baptist] was martyred.

[ahmadjee]

little human,

"Secondly, I might be wrong, but from the Ahmedi or christian perspective, why would "jesus" be asked to be spared from crucification. After all if this is the will of God."<<<<<

The contrasting difference between Christian & Ahmadi Muslims belief is that Ahmadis do not believe he was predestined to be sacrificed at the crucifix. It was a trial on him, like many prophets of Allah went through trials in their lifetime. And like any other prophet Hazrat Isa (as) was also inclined to not be tested, fearing he might not pass it, but he did pass like all other truthful prophets.

[Gabrujawaan]

Why are Muslims forbidden to make or watch movies about religion/prophets. Where does it say in ahadees or Quran that you can't make movies about the lives of prophets or the Last Prophet PBUH. I do remeber reading something regarding drawing pictures of living things which leaves it open for interpretation.

[little_human]

^ I think in Islam we are not allowed to potray there faces like they did in this Movie.

ahmadjee thanks for your reply

AvgAmericanGirl…Is he son of God or son of Man. I am still confused.

[AvgAmericanGirl]

Well.

Good Question.

The only reason I believe Jesus died on the cross was because he sacraficed himself for mankind. This is what I was taught in school.

He didn't select who he sacraficed for. He sacraficed his body for the whole of mankind.

He was a son of man because God made him that way. He was born human, but blessed. God made that decision.

He is everyones conscience.

This is what I believe when take communion.......I drink the blood of Christ (wine) and eat the body of Christ (bread).

[The_Old_Man]

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*Originally posted by little human: *
Is he son of God or son of Man
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Both

[AvgAmericanGirl]

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*Originally posted by I'm Kool: *

I guess its too late for that now.
So why do you think the jews handed him over to the romans to get him crucified??? Some how him not being the messiah just doesnt quite do it for me.
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Did you read my post?

[Lajawab]

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*Originally posted by The Old Man: *
Both
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So if Jesus was cloned, what would he be then?

[AvgAmericanGirl]

Re: Re: Re: Questions, Questions, Questions : Passion of the Christ

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

good to see a human praying to The One True God asking for help and showing us how we all humans r helpless before the Will of God and that if a man as pious and close to God has to submit to the Will of God and face such hardship just so he may please His Lord than what do we have to go through to keep God happy with us....
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Armughal,

Your statement about.... what we have to go through to keep God happy with us....? Could you explain that?

My beliefs are not about the school of suffering. I don't believe one has to suffer to please God.

I am of the school of choice, though sometimes I also get caught up in the school of fate.

I am also of the mindset that God made himself available to all people in ways they can understand and accept.

I think maybe God sent Jesus