Questions: "Growth" of Qadianism and Mirza Tahir's "Vision"

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From: Irshad <irshad@i…>
Date: Sat Sep 18, 1999 12:54pm
Subject: Questions: “Growth” of Qadianism and Mirza Tahir’s “Vision”

An Ahmadi Asked:
If ahmadiyyat is wrong then why are people flocking to join ahmadiyyat
since last year they had 10 million converts and the head of ahmadiiyat
Mirza Tahir ahmed had a vision that every year it will double

what do you think of this, please clear me up .

Thank you for your EMail message and your question.

Obviously, it is rather naive to blindly accept this type of
unverifiable propaganda from the Qadiani camp. The believers
are to stand fast by revelations and not be impressed by the
propaganda of various misguided groups. This argument which is
routinely relied upon by the Qadiani leadership is irrational
and has to be rejected for many reasons.

Firstly, Qadiani leaders have always grossly exaggerated their
numbers to misguide the naive. Has anyone seen 10 million new
members?! Is there anyway to independently verify this claim?

Secondly, if the number of new members is the sign of
truthfulness, then it is Islam, not Qadianism, which is
recognized as the fastest growing religion on the face of the
earth.

Thirdly, if number of new members is sign of Truthfulness, then
does it mean that Christians, Hindus, and others are on the
right path, since they grow at a much faster rate than
Qadianism?

Fourthly, why should we be impressed with a mission, which has
historically used deceptive arguments to misguide naive Muslims
from the path of Islam? Where is the virtue in converting
Muslims to Qadianism?! Please read the following with an open
mind and judge for yourself, whether such a Mission has any
room to boast about their alleged converts.
http://www.irshad.org/idara/qadiani/reverts/balogun.htm http://www.irshad.org/idara/qadiani/forum/99021304.htm http://www.irshad.org/idara/qadiani/forum/99021303.htm

Finally, the mission of Mirza Ghulam died many decades ago. The
mission you currently see is that of his grandson, Mirza Tahir,
in association with his supporters in great Britain, Israel,
and other anti-Islamic nations. If you pay close attention, you
will see that Mirza Ghulam’s teachings have effectively been
pushed aside, and Mirza Ghulam’s life has undeservedly been
exaggerated to keep naive individuals entrapped. If this is not
so, why the collection of writings of Mirza Ghulam have not
been translated, so we all can benefit from them?!

Finally, you mentioned the alleged vision of Mirza Tahir
Qadiani! It is divine prudence that, sooner or later, every
Qadiani leader has to expose his own falsehood. Let us
reflect about this:

Qadiani leader claims to have “converted” (from Islam) 10
million members this year and claims it will double every year.
Please consult the following table:

Year Alleged Number of Converts


1999 10,000,000
2000 20,000,000
2001 40,000,000
2002 80,000,000
2003 160,000,000
2004 320,000,000
2005 640,000,000
2006 1,280,000,000
2007 2,560,000,000
2008 5,120,000,000
2009 10,240,000,000

According to Mirza Tahir’s alleged vision, in 10 years, the
entire world will be Qadiani! It is interesting to note that
Mirza Tahir claims he will be able to accomplish in 10 years
what Mirza Ghulam, the self-nominated Mahdi, Messiah, Krishna,
nabi, and rasul, was unable to accomplish in his entire life!
EnshaAllah, if we are both alive and Qadianism, nauzobillah,
somehow manages to keep some of its unfortunate victims for
another 10 years, I predict we will see the next Qadiani leader
come up with an excuse and an explanation for the failure of
this alleged vision of the current Qadiani leader and protector
of Mirza Ghulam’s fortunes.

I hope this reply has adequately addressed your question.

Allah(SWT) guides those who sincerely seek Guidance.

================================================================
“It is those who believe and confuse not their beliefs with
wrong - that are (truly) in security, for they are on (right)
guidance.”
(Holy Quran, 6.82)

www.irshad.org

Bg,

What do you want to discuss in this thread – if insulting one religion is your main interest then you are NOT allowed to use our forums for that. However if you are interested in a healthy discussion you’re most welcome – but no more of ’your prophet this and that’ crap!

W’Salaam
Saba

hmmmmn!

look@: http://alhafeez.org/rashid/


Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!

Sabah

I am not too interested in that crap. This is posted to keep Muslims informed about what Qadianis here are boosting about the converting to their religion in the West and trying to convert ignorant Muslims to their religion. I used to think their way that they are really good Muslims when they started trying to convert me to their religion than I started investing into the Islamic sites and found out most of their claims are false and baseless. This was posted to keep people informed.

bg

What you’re trying to do is great, and I would love to be able to say thanks for the info. However when posting information about any religion one should try to get reliable information from reliable sources not from propaganda sites. We wouldn’t like others to read about Islam from any propaganda site either. Secondly, we can’t expect others to respect our prophet if we can’t show respect for theirs – I’m sure we can discuss Qadiyani beliefs without insulting any religious figure, if not then we’re discussing it here.

Please try to be specific when you post an article and avoid ’mass posting’, no one can read and participate in ten threads on one issue, if you just want to post articles, plz post all your links in one thread. When you start a topic it’s also your responsibility to ’guide the members’ and maintain discussion quality.

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Saba

Sabah

I will take care of this in the futre not to post these Islamic articles.

There is lots of discussion going on in here about Wahabis and there are quite many threads open on this topic. Where all the participants are using rough language about each other beliefs.

I will not open any thread on any of your topics in future.

Thanks.

bg bhai or behen

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

I’m not asking you to stop posting threads, just be little more specific and try to lead a good discussion instead of religious insults. I’ve seen the wahabi threads as well, I’m trying to talk to you, as I’m sure you’ll understand my point, it’s also decent and polite to assume that ppl are smart enough to understand and you don’t need to kick them to make them follow some basic rules. Re other threads, when we’re sick of editing/deleting we’ll simply close the discussion.

Saba

Sabah

I understand what you are saying. Please close this.

Thanks.