Rhia,
Is the Qur'an also metaphorical?
No offenses intended. Just wondering if its possible that the Qur'an also includes wisdom stories.
And who decided what was metaphorical or actual?
Anyway
*He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence."
(Imam Ali, First Sermon, Nahjul Balaghah) *
Wonder if God ever gets lonely?
Um no, the Quran is quite literally a book. :)
It does contain metaphorical and esoterical references.
And from what I gist.. quite a story.
No offenses intended. My bad attempt at being cheeky.
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You know too that these phrases are just metaphorical and not actual?
Did not "God create Man in His own image"? Is that literally or not?
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I think that "God created man in his own image" is literal. First of all, what is God? God is not physical, he is more than physical. God is not bound within dimensions, thus God's features don't include faces, arms, legs or anything. If God created us physically in his image, then didnt he create monkeys in his own image too? Thus, that's out of question. Now, another possibility is that God created us in his own image in a sense that we have souls. This is possible, because other animals don't have souls, and God is a soul/spirit himself.
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Muslims too believe that Jesus peace be upon him was born via immaculate conception, one of the chapters in quran is called suraah maryam and is about Mary.
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So then I'm assuming.. "they both used to eat food" was used as an argument that Jesus wasn't God?
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*Originally posted by Rhia: *
So because he is All-powerful he turns himself into a "normal human being", i.e. something that is finite. Something that is finite is obviously limited in physicality, limited in time and bound to natural laws and is very dependent upon many other things. Therefore he automatically loses the characteristics of being a Omnicient because of limitations, he doesn't remain Omnipotent because of his dependence and he certainly doesn't remain omnipresent because of his finite nature.
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Wait- you're saying that someone omniscient can't turn from being infinite to finite? Doesn't that contradict the concept of omniscience?
not can't, but didn't.
not can't or didn't but does and reverts and all of the above. God is one, three. 5000000 and .25. No limitations.... in the basketball court of universe god wears the number 23 circa 1992-3.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
not can't, but didn't.
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So therefore the argument is based on nothing, no support at all?
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*Originally posted by Rhia: *
Um no, the Quran is quite literally a book. :)
It does contain metaphorical and esoterical references.
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I'm wondering if you meant "does not" contain metaphorical and esoterical references? or else it would contradict your statement above. In any case read:
Till, when he reached
the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring, ...
-- Sura Sura 18:86
Is there a specific place where the sun sets?
Does the sun go down in a muddy spring?
Fact or metaphore??
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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
not can't or didn't but does and reverts and all of the above. God is one, three. 5000000 and .25. No limitations.... in the basketball court of universe god wears the number 23 circa 1992-3.
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we dont know about either stances as a fact. its opinions and beliefs. onw could be right at one time, the other at another..bothy can be wrong, who knows.
:)
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*Originally posted by blitz: *
I'm wondering if you meant "does not" contain metaphorical and esoterical references? or else it would contradict your statement above. In any case read:
Till, when he reached
the setting-place of the sun,
he found it going down into a muddy spring, ...
-- Sura Sura 18:86
Is there a specific place where the sun sets?
Does the sun go down in a muddy spring?
Fact or metaphore??
b
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Condradiction? What I meant was as a piece of literature the Quran does contain metaphorical references.
The setting place of the Sun could metaphorically indicate some place far west.
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*Originally posted by anand: *
17 people misinterprated quran/ islam in Sept 2000 (re WTC) and the result we know.
Quran, they say is complete in totality, is there no law or action for people misinterprating it.?
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Imagine if there was a verse in Quran prescribing punishment for those "misinterpreting" the meaning of Quran, today we would have same Anand jumping up and down claiming "Quran restricts humankind from thinking beyond" etc.
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*Originally posted by Rhia: *
Condradiction? What I meant was as a piece of literature the Quran does contain metaphorical references.
The setting place of the Sun could metaphorically indicate some place far west.
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oh ok ! thanks for the clarification, Rhia
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*Originally posted by Lord Drizzt: *
So therefore the argument is based on nothing, no support at all?
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DRizzt, just a question which attempts to question your very basis of life.
Why are you a christain? Please keep the discussion within an intelectual framework and not emotional.
I am a christian because God inspired me.
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*Originally posted by Lord Drizzt: *
I am a christian because God inspired me.
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So you say that you were inspired. Many other people from other religions claim the same thing. Ie bhuddists say they were ispired by the spirit of buddha.
Which inspiration is true and what is the criteria you use?