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So, Taraveh was introduced by Hazrat Umar (ra), otherwise the sunnah of Anhazoor (saw) are private nawafil of 8 (some traditions cite 20) at the time of tahajud. Hazrat Umar (ra) let people say it in congregation and after isha as a convenience.
My question is, do the Shia brothers also say taraveh after isha? Considering its Hazrat Umar’s decree?
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u got it wrong....
taraweeh was not introduced by Umar (ra) but by the Prophet (saw) himself....
Umar (ra) saw the muslims taking it lightly and thought that they'd go away from this sunnah so he enjoined them in congregational taraweeh daily in ramadan....
the Prophet (saw) prayed the taraweeh only a few days in jamaat so that it wud not become fardh on muslims, thus putting an extra burden on them....
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Asking Shias if such and such is ok after mentioning that it got approval of Sydana Umar (RA)...
hmmm.. where are you trying to come from ahmed bhai jaan? :)
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Mughal Sahib, I 'heard' that AnHazoor (saw) only read nawafil in congregation in the morning in Ramadan. Not after Isha. Maybe a few quotes would make it clear?
AQ Mian, I don't want to ask the Shia friends I know offline as it might lead to an argument. Assuming its safe here.
I am also curious about khutba-e-Sania
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This might answer the doubt of 8 or 20 taraweeh by Moulana Qamruz Zaman
London, UK.
Bismillah
Al-jawab billahi at-taufeeq (the answer with Allah’s guidance)
Is Tarawih 8 Or 20?
For the past fourteen hundred years, the Ummah has been performing twenty Rakaats of Taraweeh without a question. However “a sect” now claims that Taraweeh is ONLY eight Rakaats, which implies that for fourteen hundred years the Ummah had deviated from the Sunnah of Nabi (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) and had performed twenty Rakaats without any Shari proof.
First, it should be said that the Hadith reported from Sayyidah Aisha (RA) about 11 Rak’ahs is not at all to do with Taraweeh, according to the majority of scholars, but in fact concerns the number of Rak’ahs of Tahajjud prayer! The Hadith is as follows:-
Narrated abu salama bin abdur Rahman (RA):
I asked Aisha (RA) about the prayer of Nabi (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) during the month of Ramadan. She said, “ALLAH’s Messenger (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) never exceeded 11 Rakats in Ramadan nor in the other months; he used to offer 4 rakats – do not ask me about their beauty and lentgh, then 4 Rakats, do not ask me about their beauty and length, and then 3 Rakat.” Aisha further said , “I said, ‘O Allah’s messenger! Do you sleep before offering Witr salat?’ he replied, ‘O Aisha! My eyes sleep but my heart remains awake!’
(Bukhari, book of Tahajjud prayer, chapter: the Salat (prayer) of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) at night in Ramadan and in other months. 2:248)
The commentator of al-Sahih al-Bukhari and the erudite traditionist, Shaykh Shamsud-Din al-Kermani (d. 786 AH; RH) said: ‘In the Hadith (above), the Tahajjud prayer is meant. Abu Salama’s question and Hadrat Aisha’s answer concerned the Tahajjud.’ He adds further: 'If the Tahajjud prayer is not meant, then this tradition will be at variance with the tradition that states that the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) led twenty Rak’ahs each for two nights, and in the case of such clash the tradition of twenty Rakah’s which is affirmative (Muthbit) shall have precedence because according to the principles of Hadith, the affirmative takes precedence over the negative (Naafi)" (vide: Al-Kawakib ud-Durari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 9, pg 155-156).
We say, does this not mean that people who perform 8 Rak’ahs of Taraweeh, should pray 20 Rak’ahs instead? Since according to the principles of Hadith, “The affirmative takes precedence over the negative in certain cases.”
A great fact that should also be noted is that the Imam’s of Hadith have placed the Hadith from Sayyidah Aisha (RA) under the section of Tahajjud prayers, which indicates their belief that the Hadith applies to Tahajjud only. The Imam al-Muhaddithin al-Bukhari has placed the Hadith from Sayyidah Aisha under at least two sections of his Sahih, first under the section of ‘21: The Tahajjud Prayer at Night’ (see Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 2, chapter 15, no. 248, English ed’n) and then under the section of ‘32: The Book of Taraweeh Prayers’ (see Sahih al-Bukhari, 3/230, pg. 128 English ed’n). This means that al-Imam Bukhari believed that the prayer mentioned by Aisha was that of Tahajjud only, and since the Tahajjud prayer is performed also in Ramadan, then Imam Bukhari also quoted the same Hadith under ‘The book of Taraweeh prayers’, but Allah knows best.
Imam Muslim has also placed the Hadith from Aisha under the Tahajjud prayer section (see Sahih Muslim 1/1607, pg. 356, English ed’n). Also Imam Malik has placed Sayyidah Aisha’s Hadith under the Book of Tahajjud (see Al-Muwatta, Book 7, section 7.2, no. 9, pg. 5, English ed’n). Al-Imam Abi Dawud has also placed the same Hadith under the chapter ‘On the number of Rak’ahs of the prayer at night (Tahajjud)’ (see Abi Dawud 1/1336, pg. 351, English version). Even Imam’s Tirmidhi and Nisai (Allah’s mercy be upon them) placed Aisha’s Hadith under the Tahajjud section (see Tirmidhi, vol. 1, pg. 58 and Nisai, vol. 1, pg. 154).
Ibne Hajar states that in Bukhari the chapter of Tahajjud, Witr, and Nawafil prayers are mentioned separately, so this indicates that Imam Bukhari did not place Tahajjud, Witr and optional prayer into one chapter, but into different, separate chapters.
(FATHUL BARI VOL.2 PG.478)
This proves that Tahajjud and Tarawih prayers are separate prayers, if however, the Tahajjud and Tarawih prayer was the same-as some people (Salafis) say, why didn’t Imam Bukhari mention Tarawih and Tahajjud prayer into one chapter or book?
Removal of a doubt
If someone makes a claim that there is no distinction between Tahajjud and Taraweeh. For 11 months it is called Tahajjud and in Ramadhaan it is called Taraweeh. In response to this we would question: What is the proof for this claim? And when there are numerous distinctions existing, then how is it possible to regard both as one?
Differences between Tahajjud and Taraweeh
Tahajjud was ordained by means of express quranic verse: “Stand up at night except a little.” Taraweeh being a Sunnah was established through the Hadith of Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: “I have made its standing Sunnat upon for you.”
Everyone agrees that the number of Rakaats of Tahajjud have been transmitted by Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam), the maximum being 13 including Witr and the minimum being 7 including Witr. However no specific number has been transmitted from Rasulullah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) regarding Taraweeh as clearly stated by Allamah ibne Taymiah. Therefore the Aimma-e-Mujtahideen differ in the number. Some say 20 and some say 36, even more.
Tahajjud was ordained in Makkah whilst Taraweeh was prescribed in Madina.
It is mentioned in the realiable books of the Hambali Mazhab, Muqna: “Taraweeh is 20 Rakaats which a person performs in Ramadhaan in Jamaat. He will read Witr after it in Jamaat. However if he reads Tahajjud then he will make Witr after it.”
Tahajjud is generally performed after sleeping while Taraweeh is performed after Esha.
From the above we learn that Taraweeh and Tahajjud are separate Salaahs.
The Hadith Of Aisha (RA) Dosen’t proove The Tarawih Prayer:
This Hadith apparently indicates that Nabi (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) performed eight Rakaats and three Rakaats Witr, In other Ahadith it is stated that Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) prayed more than 8 and less than 8 Rakats, i.e.
The same narrator Aisha (RA) clearly states that Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) prayed 13 Rakats. (Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 241)
Abu Salama asked Aisha about the prayer of the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
she said, “He observed 13 Raka’ahs (in the night prayer). He observed 8 Raka’ahs and would then observe (three Rak’ahs of) Witr and then observe two Raka’ahs sitting (Nafl prayer), and when he wanted to bow he stood up and then bowed down, and then he observed two Raka’ahs in between the Azan and Iqama of the dawn prayer (i.e. Fajr).” (Sahih Muslim 1/1603, pg. 357).
Ibn Abbas narrates:
The prayer of the Prophet used to be of thirteen Rakat, i.e. of the night prayer. (Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 239)
Masruq narrates:
I asked Aisha about the night prayer of Allah’s Apostle and she said, "It was seven, nine or eleven Rakat besides the two Rakat of the Fajr prayer (i.e. Sunna). "
(Bukhar, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 240)
Now we can see clearly from these traditions that it contradicts with the proof and evidence (The Hadith Aisha RA)) of the Ghair Muqallids (those who do not follow a Madhab (one of the school of thought)) .
Note: In the following paragraphs we will be analyzing the Hadith of Aisha (RA), so make sure you refer to it.
However, the Hadith of A’isha doesn’t refer to Taraweeh Salaat but refers to Tahajjud.
-Ghair Muqallids say it is prayed with congregation and the witr prayer also.
(When Aisha further said, “I said, O Allah’s messenger! Do you sleep before offering the Witr prayer?” he replied, ‘O Aisha my eyes sleep but my heart remains awake!”)
This is clear that Aisha (RA) is mentioning it at home.
-Ghair Muqallids say that it is prayed in the Masjid.
In the noble quran, Allah (Ta’ala) says, “verily, the rising by night is very hard most potent………….” (73:6)
In this verse we can see clearly that Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) was ordered to rise (from sleep) for Tahajjud prayer and he also use to pray Witr prayer, as this was the practice of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam).
In another Hadith the narrator Aisha (RA) was asked about the night prayer of Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) she replied, ‘he used to sleep during the first part of the night (after praying I’sha ), and get up in its last part to offer prayer (Tahajjud prayer with Witr prayer), and then return to his bed.’ (Bukhari, book of Tahajjud, chapter: Sleeping in the first part of the night and getting up in its last part. 2:247)
-Ghair Muqallids say, that the witr prayer is immediately prayed after tarawih Salat (Prayer).
-Ghair Muqallids say, that this prayer is prayed with 2 Rakats .
(Ghair Maqallideen Imam Bukhari Ki A’dalat Main Pg. 147-149)
The belief of the Ghair Muqallids on 8 Rakat Taraweeh contradicts in every direction with the Hadith of A’isha (RA), which they hold evident and using their utmost effort to prove that the Tarawih prayer of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) was 8. However, this proof is useless and baseless. From this we also learn that according to some people themselves it is not compulsory to practice upon this Hadith nor is going against this Hadith opposing the Sunnah. In such a situation to use this Hadith as a proof against anyone else or to prove any claim is gross injustice and against the dictates of piety.
There are some who say that if anyone performs more than 11 Rak’ahs of Taraweeh, then he or she is basically committing a Bid’ah (a very bad innovation)! We seek refuge in Allah from such a disgusting statement! Since this tantamountally means that the foremost Imams of the saved sect (al-Firqat an-Najiyyah) of Ahl-al-Sunnah wa’l-Jama’ah have been committing a gross innovation (Allah forbid). Such a person seems to be implying that the venerable Sahaba kiram (RA), the four great Mujtahid Imams (RH), as well as the foremost scholars of Hadith and Fiqh of the last 1400 years have ‘innovated’ the practise of 20 Rak’ahs of Taraweeh, if considered in the light of penetrative elaboration, implicitly and covertly! Laa Hawla wa Laa Quwwata Illaa Billaah il-Aliyy il-Azeem!
And Only Allah Ta’ala Knows Best.
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So, Taraveh was introduced by Hazrat Umar (ra), otherwise the sunnah of Anhazoor (saw) are private nawafil of 8 (some traditions cite 20) at the time of tahajud. Hazrat Umar (ra) let people say it in congregation and after isha as a convenience.
My question is, do the Shia brothers also say taraveh after isha? Considering its Hazrat Umar's decree?
I was at a dinner a few weeks back and a shia family friend asked me what my plans were for ramadan... while telling them what they'd be i mentioned that i was gonna make an effort to offer tarawih in congretion, upon which she ASKED me: "what is tarawih?". after explaining to her what it was, another friend asked if they (i.e. shia ) offer tarawih, and her response was "i dont think so".
So maybe there are diferences, but this shia friend of mine had never heard of the concept of tarawih... maybe thats bcoz of her lack of knowledge, or they dont have this in their sect.
Wassalam
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Ahmad bro, Submission to Peace has posted the article whic explains in great detail why we pray 20 rakaats.
Also, even the in Medina and Makkah, the Imams perform full 20 rakaats.
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Please keep the thread on track. :flower:
Are you sure ?
I heard from not only one but several sources that apart from Haramain Shareefain all other masajid in Suadia Araibia they organise 10 rakat Taraveeh.
Ahmedjee- I think they are not branded as ‘taraweeh’, they are just called nafal among shia, and prayed individually
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Code_Red, that is exactly what I meant, sorry wasn't specific.