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Can't figure out how though...file is a .pptx and too big (16 slides)..
save as word(.docx.) or publish to notes.
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I think it is pretty simple. When Allah says 'kun', that thing STARTS happening, takes its course as designed by Allah and finally become what it was meant to be. A number of examples could be given from within Quran. one you have already mentioned. Another is birth of Isa(as). pls refer to
verse 3:47) She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
Now this is true that Mariam (as) got pregnant with this but birth of jesus (as) took its full course before he was born. He simply didn't appeared instantly from nowhere in complete human form with the word 'kun'.
By six days, six stages are meant or six periods, not our days.
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I think it is pretty simple. When Allah says 'kun', it STARTS happening, takes its course as designed by Allah and become what it was meant to be. A number of examples could be given from within Quran. one you have already mentioned. Another is birth of Isa(as). pls refer to
verse 3:47) She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
Now this is true that Mariam (as) got pregnant with this but birth of jesus (as) took its full course before he was born. He simply didn't appeared instantly from nowhere in complete human form with the word 'kun'.
By six days, six stages are meant or six periods, not our days.
Agree and as explained by Sa1eem, there was no concept of days and night before creation of Sun and earth, so six days are either metaphorical or its something that we don't know. But this all again reinforces the fact, that there are no contradictions in Quran
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^ yes of course.
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Khalaq is a different act to Kun ...
Allah (SWT) makes every moment and destroys that moment to make way for the next in an infinitesimal sequence each containing all of creation since all of creation is contained in the moment.
when stringing together each moment we get a sequence and we can then group sequences to identify patterns and the sequence that is associated to the Earth is called the Creation of the Earth and each grouping is staged in sub-stages called "yawn" - period of sequences which share with each other a pattern.
Thus at all times we are held by the Word Kun in our construction and destruction ... Yet each transient moment is a building block of His Act of Creation which takes such and such a time interval to complete.
It is the belief of the Muslims that had Allah Willed the whole universe to be as it is ... He merely says to it Be and it is ... And under no condition are we to think that Allah (SWT) built the Earth in 6 days from any kind of limitation. It was purely a choice that resides in His Wisdom.
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darse quran
KiaInsaniyatNeQuranSeIslamKoTheekTarahSeSamjhaHai
English Translation of The Quran : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
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kun fa ya kun doesnt mean something to happen 'right away'. Everything takes time when Allah says kun faya kun. Evolution is behind everything. Baby is born in 9 months, crop is cultivated after a season, Earth takes 24 hours to revolve, and 365 days to revolve around sun and the list goes on. They are all happening by Allah's will and everything takes time. Kun fa ya kun does not mean something happening right in the blink of an eye.
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Ok guys you can see it here on youtube after I used movie maker to turn the slideshow into a video. Pause as needed to read since the timing of the slides sometimes is too fast as it turned out.
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Khalaq is a different act to Kun ...
It is the belief of the Muslims that had Allah Willed the whole universe to be as it is ... He merely says to it Be and it is ... And under no condition are we to think that Allah (SWT) built the Earth in 6 days from any kind of limitation. It was purely a choice that resides in His Wisdom.
No one is suggesting any limitation or weakness in the will and act of Allah. It is all His own design then how can it be a limitation. Moreover, we, the humans, the rational beings are limited in our perception and understanding and perhaps the things take time to happen is for us to understand the beauty and wisdom of His works. Allah keep pointing towards His creations and process of creation in Quran for us to ponder so that we can recognize Him.
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Beautiful explanation Sa1eem. ... .
Thanks ...
I think it is pretty simple. When Allah says 'kun', that thing STARTS happening, takes its course as designed by Allah and finally become what it was meant to be. A number of examples could be given from within Quran. one you have already mentioned. Another is birth of Isa(as). pls refer to
verse 3:47) She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
Now this is true that Mariam (as) got pregnant with this but birth of jesus (as) took its full course before he was born. He simply didn't appeared instantly from nowhere in complete human form with the word 'kun'.
By six days, six stages are meant or six periods, not our days.
I am sorry but I deleted my earlier post and have rewritten what I wrote earlier, because I believe I did not do justice with explanations I made in my previous post. :) … So …:
Full course, days, stages, periods, is for humans who are advancing their life in time … but for Allah all what one see, even conceiving and birth of Isa (AS), happened the instant Allah said ‘kun-fa-ye-koon’ to create this world along with all events … that means, incidences (conception and birth) happened at same instant ... though for us humans those events had its moments on time scale separate from each other, thus for us we see things having course or duration in between.
That means everything got created, from beginning to end, the moment Allah decided, and there is no starting and end time, only position in time, but for humans, things appear happening when we reach the instance in time on time scale.
Muslims (believers) as well as non-Muslims know what I mentioned in their heart, though may show ignorance of that or not like to accept that. For instance:
1: All Muslims believe that Allah knows future and accurately … that means, future for us that is still to come is known to Allah (because what is to happen in future already exists).
2: We find belief on ‘prediction’ in all communities and world religions … and that belief could be only valid if future already exists.
3: Prophet (SAW) told many things about future (as his knowledge was coming from Allah). Quran also tells about things to come in future. Shows what to happen in future already exists.
4: Quran is preserved in Luh-e-Mahfooz (ayah 85:21-22) from where it was revealed to Prophet (SAW) bit by bit, and deals with events that was happening at the time of Prophet (SAW). Shows that whatever was happening at the time Quran got revealed already existed and known to Allah. Shows that every event got created the instant Allah wished or desired and gave command for it to happen … kun-fa-ya-koon … and did not happen over course of time.
Note: Predicting future is only possible if all what to happen in future already exists, else telling about future be speculation. Since our belief is that Allah knows and do not speculate, it means future already exists.
Example: Stars could be many light years away from us. Let say, we are observing a star 10 lights year away. When we observe that star, for us that is current situation of that star. Suppose that star has exploded and it is no more there. But for us, it would be still there and would stay there for next 10 years and then only we will see the star getting exploded. In other words, explosion of that star is future for us (10 years in future). It would take 10 years on time scale for us to know that star would explode and until that time, for us, star exists.
It means that for us, we are 10 years behind the event though event has already happened (star has already exploded and the explosion exists in future time).
Same is with life and time line. At certain point in time we would be 10 years older (or could be even dead) but we would reach that moment when we reach there in time scale (10 years later). But for Allah, he can see past, present and future at the same time, as he has already created past, present and future of everything, including universe and all happenings (events) in universe, when he created the universe.
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No one is suggesting any limitation or weakness in the will and act of Allah. It is all His own design then how can it be a limitation. Moreover, we, the humans, the rational beings are limited in our perception and understanding and perhaps the things take time to happen is for us to understand the beauty and wisdom of His works. Allah keep pointing towards His creations and process of creation in Quran for us to ponder so that we can recognize Him.
My point in my explanation is that the whole of creation is in a constant flux of the creation act ... And the destruction act through the Word Kun. What we perceive as creation .... Such as the gradual formation of the universe is an apparent condition of transient changes ... The Earth being made in 6 days hence is not the same as the Act of bringing something into existence. The earth is made in to existence each moment and is still being brought into existence as we dwell as we are too ...
It is wrong to say that Kun is merely the initiation of the act ... Kun is the whole act of bringing something in to existence and taking it back out of existence ... Every change is measured by a complete re-write of the whole universe in each infinitesimal moment. Like in an animation sequence each slide, each frame is a complete picture, the changes are apparent due to slight differences in the reaction of each slide or frame.
It is the bringing together of changes in the universe collectively that point at the 6 eras of the formation of the Earth.
The reason why it is wrong to say that Kun is merely the initiator is that it breeds the false assumption that things can have independence and additionally it assumes that Allah (SWT) could not make things immediately ... which is why it is important to stress that Kun is an immediate and complete act.
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My point in my explanation is that thewhole of creation is in a constant flux of the creation act ... And thedestruction act through the Word Kun. What we perceive as creation .... Such asthe gradual formation of the universe is an apparent condition of transientchanges ... The Earth being made in 6 days hence is not the same as the Act ofbringing something into existence. The earth is made in to existence eachmoment and is still being brought into existence as we dwell as we are too ...
It is wrong to say that Kun is merely the initiation of the act ... Kun is thewhole act of bringing something in to existence and taking it back out ofexistence ... Every change is measured by a complete re-write of the wholeuniverse in each infinitesimal moment. Like in an animation sequence eachslide, each frame is a complete picture, the changes are apparent due to slightdifferences in the reaction of each slide or frame.
It is the bringing together of changes in the universe collectively that pointat the 6 eras of the formation of the Earth.
The earth is made into existence and is still in transient state. That’s right but your analogy of a movie is pretty flawed one. Is this the best example you could come up with? Creation and destruction of the whole universe in every moment…. Where did you get this idea. Pls substantiate it. No whimsical ideas please.
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The reason why it is wrong to say that Kun is merely the initiator is that it breeds the false assumption that things can have independence and additionally it assumes that Allah (SWT) could not make things immediately ... which is why it is important to stress that Kun is an immediate and complete act.
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Let me clarify a bit. Kun is not merely the initiator it encompasses the whole creation process. What I wanted to say is that Kun didn’t bring certain desired goal instantly although a seed was sown. It started happening in a guided or measured way and that is what is evident. Yes,Allah creates things that were non-existent before and from nothing but it is His design to make things happen the way they are. Nothing is outside the bounds of His power. When He said ‘kun’ in case of Isa(as), his being came into existence instantly in a very basic form and it took its usual course. He could have sent messengers born out of thin air instantly in adult age, He could have created and perfected earth and heavens in a nano-second but if it didn’t happen that way doesn’t depict weakness on His part. It only shows that He is the king of heavens and earth and it is His will and design that prevails and no one else's
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The sense of time in the Quran is metaphorical, rather than exact. For example, 70:4 states when talking about the Day of Judgement
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The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years.
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Given that a Day is not literally a Day, but is explained as 50,000 years. I do not believe that you can take 50,000 years to literally mean 50,000 years - it is instead an indication of a very, very, very long time. It illustrates that a Day to Allah SWT is like aeons to us.
Given this. it becomes easy for me to reconcile the Big Bang Theory with the Quran. The Big Bang Theory states that the universe started billions upon billions of years ago - this would reconcile with such a period being like just 6 Days to Allah, really meaning that time has no significance to Allah SWT as he is eternal.
As for how the 6 days of creation reconciling with how he just says "Be" and things exist - this is simple. He could either say "Be" slowly over billions of our years, or after saying "Be" He could make the process of existence take billions of years. Either works, and matches with the Quran.
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The sense of time in the Quran is metaphorical, rather than exact. For example, 70:4 states when talking about the Day of Judgement
Given that a Day is not literally a Day, but is explained as 50,000 years. I do not believe that you can take 50,000 years to literally mean 50,000 years - it is instead an indication of a very, very, very long time. It illustrates that a Day to Allah SWT is like aeons to us.
Given this. it becomes easy for me to reconcile the Big Bang Theory with the Quran. The Big Bang Theory states that the universe started billions upon billions of years ago - this would reconcile with such a period being like just 6 Days to Allah, really meaning that time has no significance to Allah SWT as he is eternal.
As for how the 6 days of creation reconciling with how he just says "Be" and things exist - this is simple. He could either say "Be" slowly over billions of our years, or after saying "Be" He could make the process of existence take billions of years. Either works, and matches with the Quran.
This also clarifies a connected matter and i.e. its been said that the day of judgement is very near. Even in a verse of Quran, where Allah addresses Hazrat Moosa (AS), it is said that 'the day of judgement is reaching / very near'. If we interpret time as we normally do, this very near also lost its meaning, but if we consider alternate meaning as mentioned by you, kchugtai and Sa1eem then it clarifies the concept.
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The earth is made into existence and is still in transient state. That’s right but your analogy of a movie is pretty flawed one. Is this the best example you could come up with? Creation and destruction of the whole universe in every moment…. Where did you get this idea. Pls substantiate it. No whimsical ideas please.
Let me clarify a bit. Kun is not merely the initiator it encompasses the whole creation process. What I wanted to say is that Kun didn’t bring certain desired goal instantly although a seed was sown. It started happening in a guided or measured way and that is what is evident. Yes,Allah creates things that were non-existent before and from nothing but it is His design to make things happen the way they are. Nothing is outside the bounds of His power. When He said ‘kun’ in case of Isa(as), his being came into existence instantly in a very basic form and it took its usual course. He could have sent messengers born out of thin air instantly in adult age, He could have created and perfected earth and heavens in a nano-second but if it didn’t happen that way doesn’t depict weakness on His part. It only shows that He is the king of heavens and earth and it is His will and design that prevails and no one else's
Please explain why it is a flawed analogy?
Allah (SWT) is The Sustainer ... Nothing can exist or develop, grow or change except that it happens through Allah (SWT).
Also, to maximise how we understand the Power of Allah (SWT) - He can Create the whole Universe through Kun ... This means "all of what we see" CAN instantly come in to place. The fact that it did not come in to place exactly how we see it - is not less amazing - because each moment is expressly from the Kun. It is not enough to assume that only the changes are being managed by Allah (SWT) - even the ongoing constancy of the existence of things is being managed by Allah (SWT).