Re: Question about marriage in Islam
truthfinder u r unnecessarily debating on a verse which is very clearly about children asking permission to enter the parents' room....
the verse u quoted in ur initial post is incomplete and inaccurately translated....
and the context is very clear....
i dont understand why argue about it so much....
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and the context is very clear.... i dont understand why argue about it so much....
How can one live his/her life by a book which can not be interpreted in exactly the same way by 2 people. this fight over interpretation has been going on ever since the book was written. why write a book which can not decrypted/understood in the same way by humans?
Re: Question about marriage in Islam
Originally Posted by Truthfinder
(Yusuf Ali) And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (Quran 17:36)
This should be the criteria for accepting and upholding what is peddled to us. We should use our 'hearing', 'seeing' & 'feeling' to judge, we will be questione for this.
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Again you are misinterpreting the verse. This verse is referring to speaking without knowledge, ie. false testimony. We as Muslims have to believe in the Ghayb [2:3] and no one can sense the ghayb.
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We, as human beings, are commanded by the Allah to use our senses (sight, hearing and mind) so that we may ascertain the truth from the falsehood…Blind following is NOT allowed in the Quran and it is given as a sign of disbelief.
Are we discussing 'ghayb'.
Originally Posted by Truthfinder
Here Allah is explaining the creation plot, if you gather all relevant verses you will complete the picture. (we can talk creation n angles at another place)
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Well the Ayah does not have an explanation.
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In 27.1 Allah says these are verses of the Quran, a book that makes (things) clear
In 54.17,54.22,54.32,54.40 Allah says Quran is easy to understand and remember: then IS THERE ANY THAT WILL RECEIVE ADMONITION?
Its useless to say 'ayah does not have an explaination'. Because we are told in above verses that Quran makes clear, Quran is easy to understand and remember.
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What about the story of Musa's mother, when she put her child into the river, does that make sense?
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Or what about Ibrahim wanting to slaughter his son Ismael, does that make sense?
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Or what about the verses like Alif Lam Meem, do those make sense?
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It is not helpful when you argue against points that I didn't make or are irrelevant to the subject.
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I hope this Ayah is more clear, it's the verse about Mutashabihaat
3:7. It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah, and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding.
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Why are you emphasing only on part of 3:7 while it has more message.
Sorry this thread is not discussing 'mutashabihaat' and 'muhkamat' verses.
Originally Posted by Truthfinder
Since you agree to basics here then in 24:59 mentioning of pubetry has to mean something else. your thoughts?
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I don't know what you mean. You still took 24:59 out of context, and misinterpreted the verse. And taking verses out of context and misinterpretations is how deviant sects form.
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By the way Yusuf Ali's translation is not that accurate, it includes his interpretations of the Quran and in some cases he did make mistakes.
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None of the translations are 100% correct because of language barrier.
Btw your sentence doesnt make sense, 'Ali's translation isnt accurate, it includes his own interpretations (translations)'.
YOUSAF ALI IS THE INTERPRETATOR/TRANSLATOR what are your saying??
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I am sorry.
Why to blame the book?
Even if you look at a half filled glass, you might say it is half filled and other might say it is half filled. Does that mean it is the fault of the glass?
What a stupid comment, really stupid. There is clearly a misinterpretation on the part of a person about a verse in Quran, how can you not blame the person’s mistake? 
Re: Question about marriage in Islam
The real issue is that marriage should not be delayed, once the guy is in a position to earn rizq e halal and provide for his own family. And that happens after he completes college or university, or has developed certain skills that will help him earn a livelihood.
Agree for the most part. Makes sense to me.
But that the median age has ben shifted to late 20s and early 30s has in itself created lots and lots and lots of problems. And I don't agree this should be the case. As soon as someone is able to sustain, he should get married. Delaying a marriage should be a way to go for the boy which makes sense but for girls, as they are not given a financial responsibility in Islam, it must be as soon as they find or come across a reasonable man.
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Salam Bro Armughal.
I certainly agree 24:58 is clear abt asking permission.
Bro Sherafghan relates when they come of age (pubetry) 24:59 is refering to
24:58. This will be allowing all kids in private times, until pubetry. Greenlight for child molesters ???
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This should be the criteria for accepting and upholding what is peddled to us. We should use our 'hearing', 'seeing' & 'feeling' to judge, we will be questione for this.
Again you are taking this verse to mean something that it is not. It is referring to giving false testimony.
Are we discussing 'ghayb'.
We are not discussing the ghayb, but my point is you cannot sense the ghayb in any way and all of it is whatever we read in the Quran and Hadith. My point was that as Muslims we believe in things that we cannot even see.
In 27.1 Allah says these are verses of the Quran, a book that makes (things) clear In 54.17,54.22,54.32,54.40 Allah says Quran is easy to understand and remember: then IS THERE ANY THAT WILL RECEIVE ADMONITION?
Its useless to say 'ayah does not have an explaination'. Because we are told in above verses that Quran makes clear, Quran is easy to understand and remember.
You missed the point. When we look at the whole story then we get the explanation. The Angels asked WHY is Allah creating mankind when we are better than them and Allah replies that you do not know. Allah didn't even give them an answer, and likewise we shouldn't expect an an answer for everything from Allah.
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It is not helpful when you argue against points that I didn't make or are irrelevant to the subject.
You said that the correct inerpretation of Ayah in question doesn't make sense. I am saying that it doesn't have to make sense to me the correct interpretation.
Again, my point was that even Allah says that we will not find the meaning of some parts of the Quran and we shouldn't. So again, if something doesn't make sense then that it doesn't mean that it should be rejected.
None of the translations are 100% correct because of language barrier. Btw your sentence doesnt make sense, 'Ali's translation isnt accurate, it includes his own interpretations (translations)'. YOUSAF ALI IS THE INTERPRETATOR/TRANSLATOR what are your saying??
I stopped reading the Yusuf Ali translation a long time ago. But one thing I remember is that he translated the Kursi of Allah as Throne ('Arsh), while we know that Allah's Kursi and Throne are both different. So when you read Yusuf Ali, you are reading his interpretation which is inaccurate in certain cases, like in Ayat ul Kursi.
Anyways, I am not gonna go on and on about this, it seems to me that you are being stubborn and are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
All in all, if keep your interpretations to yourself and don't spread them around. Those who do have the authority to do this are the scholars because they spend their lives studying the Quran. The interpretation of the scholars is different from your interpretation. And the foundations of the deviant sects tend to be misinterpreting Ayaat of the Quran, so we have to be very careful when we try to interpret the Quran by ourselves.
And your child molestor comment doesn't make sense. The Ayaat are saying that three times are of privacy for you so make your children ask permission before entering and when they become adults then make them ask for permission all the time. And if you are thinking that this will lead to child molestors then please clean out your head of these dirty thoughts before reading the Quran.
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erm im new but i fink dat cz ppl start puberty at diff. ages n if sum1 starts puberty at abt 9 yrs old...which sum ppl do....den do they get married at dat age?
im sry at 9 yrs old u can hardly provide food for yourself den how u gna luk afta a hole famo???
plus if sum1 wz to get married at 9 yrs old (no offence to any1 ere) but dey dnt no nutin abt all dis certain education dat u no ppl learn...so how dey gna find out abt dat?
n imagine if u get married at abt 13 or 14 den all ur gna fink abt is d makin of babies bit...lol...so im sry but ur too young n immmature to get married wen u start puberty.
im sry if u found any of dis offence but dat is ma opinion:)
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Anyways, I am not gonna go on and on about this, it seems to me that you are being stubborn and are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
All in all, if keep your interpretations to yourself and don't spread them around. Those who do have the authority to do this are the scholars because they spend their lives studying the Quran. The interpretation of the scholars is different from your interpretation. And the foundations of the deviant sects tend to be misinterpreting Ayaat of the Quran, so we have to be very careful when we try to interpret the Quran by ourselves.
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Your posts are evidence of your egoistic arrogant attitute and now you insulted me inperson. You have been BSing from east to west in all posts without showing a single evidence. I let Allah be witness to this. And I will not discuss anymore with you.
w'salam
Re: Question about marriage in Islam
w'salam
whatever
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i didnt know that
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this is not my translation, its done by Yousaf Ali, and I always use this translation since its considerd authentic and accepted by all sects.
Truthfinder, I am not arguing with the translation, I am saying that scholars accept the meaning of *ma malakat aymanukum *(lit., "those whom your right hands possess") to be women who were captured or prisoners of war, never a the minor free children of a muslim.
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Salam Amana,
I certainly agree ‘ma malakat aymanukum’ means ‘those whom your right hands possess’. and its been related ‘to woman captured prisoner of war’. Apart from the arugument at thread, cant it be that ‘those whom your right hands possess’ also include slaves, servants anyone whos dependent ?
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What? I thought there is a Quranic verse that demands men to protect their woman and to provide for her? He needs to have some sort of money source, although if that source is his own parents, I am not sure if that's ok. However, it sure is pathetic.
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i hope the following hadith will be sufficient to answer the asked question
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Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O young men, whoever among you can afford it, let him get married, for it helps him to lower his gaze and protect his chastity. And whoever cannot do that, let him fast, for it will be a protection for him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 9/92; Muslim, 1400).
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