I know this sounds like it should be in the Kashmir section, but I dont want this turning into an Indo-Pak war, and perfer it stay here.
Im wondering if Kashmiris on Pak side consider themselves, or at the very least, consider Pakistan their friend and ally. Or whether they think of her as another of their enemies…
An Uncle of mine told me that everywhere you go in Kashmir you will see signs reading “Kashmir will be independant.” However, most Kashmiris I know in America support Pakistan… Infact they are practicularly assimilated into the Ppak community in the US.
So how do the Pak Kashmiris see themselves? Are they with us, or against us?
yes someone plz do answer this ques., i asked this same thing in the kashmir forum, and only got one normal reply, it then turned into some debate abt water supply or something. But i am wondering the exact same thing as adnan
Adnan
My reply on Kashmir forum, brought up by 714 about your question:
**If I’m not wrong, I don’t think Indepedent Kashmir is an option according to the UN resolution of 1949.
Kashmiris are not only in Pak/Indian Kashmir. They are in United States, Canada, quite a few in Australia and in the United Kingdom. Mostly support Independent vision of Kashmir. When I had conversation with them(in UK and US), they don’t want to be a part of Pakistan and India.
Unfortunately, no one has been listening their voices. It is not Pakistan and India, who has to decide their fate. It is Kashmiris who have to choose their future, fate by themselves. Third & Neutral Party must act!
It is the people of choice. If there were any referendums in the future according to the UN resolution of 1949 in the presence of UN. I believe most of the people would go for as an Independent State.**
I dont know if its just me, but I really dont want to lose Kashmir...
But if thats what they want, who am I to stop them...
So PT, does this mean they all want independance from PAK?
But that still doesnt tell us how they feel toards Pakistan..
ok, sorry so i didn't go back and check. But PT did give me a normal answer! sorry, yaar! Plz, Maaf kardo. :(
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed: *
I dont know if its just me, but I really dont want to lose Kashmir...
But if thats what they want, who am I to stop them...
**So PT, does this mean they all want independance from PAK? *
But that still doesnt tell us how they feel toards Pakistan..
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That doesn't mean all Kashmiris want Independence from Pakistan and India. Maybe, some of them want but not everyone.
You can make the predictions, which is 99.99% based on opinion.
Like I said before, people of Kashmir have never been able to test their fate, which was promised to them half a century ago. A Forgotten Promise!
Adnan yara let me take it out of the spin zone for you. Azad Kashmiris are not 'kashmiris' in the truest sense of the word. Mirpuri is a subgroup of potohari, and hindko is spoken in other parts of AJK, both languages are Pakistan based. Now ethnically, Azad Kashmiris are just like us North Punjabis: Gujars, Rajputs, etc., the few "ethnically" Kashmiris are the refugees or the migrants from the Kashmir valley. It's like a Jhangwal calling for independence from Pakistan! The wierd thing is that you can fine more pure-blooded Kashmiris in Lahore than AJK!
Now lets talk about the issues that comes up. Mangla dam was set up in AJK, which cleared out villages, those villagers ended up in the UK-- the mirpuris. That issue angers some of the Azad Kashmiris, and also the fact that Azad Kashmir's Prime Minster is subserviant to a ministry in Islamabad. Due to those reasons, Azad Kashmiris throw the bait of declaring independence. I think they may have some points but no way in hell will we let AJK get away while India still holds on to Indian Kashmir.
How about taking care of Pakistan's biggest revenue generating province first before Kashmir? :)
yea how about staying on topic 
you obviously have NOTHING to contribute to this topic about Azad Kashmir as your knowledge is ZILCH, so that is why you wouldf like to change the topic…thats a fallacy.
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
Adnan yara let me take it out of the spin zone for you. Azad Kashmiris are not 'kashmiris' in the truest sense of the word. Mirpuri is a subgroup of potohari, and hindko is spoken in other parts of AJK, both languages are Pakistan based. Now ethnically, Azad Kashmiris are just like us North Punjabis: Gujars, Rajputs, etc., the few "ethnically" Kashmiris are the refugees or the migrants from the Kashmir valley. It's like a Jhangwal calling for independence from Pakistan! The wierd thing is that you can fine more pure-blooded Kashmiris in Lahore than AJK!
Now lets talk about the issues that comes up. Mangla dam was set up in AJK, which cleared out villages, those villagers ended up in the UK-- the mirpuris. That issue angers some of the Azad Kashmiris, and also the fact that Azad Kashmir's Prime Minster is subserviant to a ministry in Islamabad. Due to those reasons, Azad Kashmiris throw the bait of declaring independence. I think they may have some points but no way in hell will we let AJK get away while India still holds on to Indian Kashmir.
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Intresting point, I didnt know about their ehtnic make up at all.. I thought they were. But they still want to be independant, which is the sad part. But what is your experience? Have you ever been to Kashmir? What is the oppinon of comman Kashmiris in our oppinion?
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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
How about taking care of Pakistan's biggest revenue generating province first before Kashmir? :)
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Yeah, we will, but lets try to deal with our nations biggest problem.. Kashmir.
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*Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed: *
Intresting point, I didnt know about their ehtnic make up at all.. I thought they were. But they still want to be independant, which is the sad part. But what is your experience? Have you ever been to Kashmir? What is the oppinon of comman Kashmiris in our oppinion?
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Adnan, not many Pakistanis are truly aware of Azad Kashmiris ethnic makeup, just wanted to let you all know the truth.
My family has had a heavy involvement in AJK because of the Pak. Military. The last time I visited my uncles at the forward position at Kotli sector, and it was a relatively quiet time there, although the atrocities of the past were on the villagers mind. About 6 months ago an Indian paramilitary offensive had slaughtered families (many, many young children) on the outskirts of Kotli town. Due to this situation the people were very much thankful for the additional military presence with Pakistan Rangers patrolling the smaller villages. The majority of the "common folk" the villagers who farmed, raised cattle worked in small industry were very strongly pro-Pakistani. With the way they treated me, I felt like I was in Attock (my hometown) and I had an absolutely wonderful experience there.
Now visiting Muzzarafabad, the capital of AJK you will find strong pro-Pakistani signs and many Pakistani and Azad Kashmiri flags. I found the population to be very welcoming although the city is backward compared to say Mirpur, the people are still very much aware of events happening not only in AJK but also Pakistan.
Mirpur is the most developed city in the region. Beceause of the heavy fasmily migration to the UK, virtually every family is considerably well-off. This is where you will find a lot of pro-Independence sentiments. Mirpuris feel that Pakistan has taken advantage of them and neglected AJK while focusing too much on Indian Kashmir.
To some it up, the well off and educated tend demand independence more than the poor and the less educated. Let me assure you that AJk will not talk about independence until Indian Kashmir is placed on the table. I hope you understand that this is my opinion and not facts.
Thanks Raj... Nice to know there are still many pro Pak Kashmirs.
Well, I think that we have to develop Kashmir to unprescedented levels, I think that is the only way to win them over... I would like to see Azad Kashmir be the jewel of Asia, not just of Pakistan. That might be the only way to win back the hearts of Indian Occupied Kasmirirs as well as the ones at home.