Quaid's speech in Constitution

This is impressive! About the 11 Aug 1947 speech.

More interesting that the objection of the minister of parliamentary affairs was overruled and way made for the bill by a minority MNA.

http://dawn.com/2007/02/14/top6.htm
Move to make Quaid’s speech part of Constitution
By Raja Asghar

ISLAMABAD, Feb 13: The National Assembly allowed the introduction of a ruling party member’s bill designed to amend the Constitution to insert a key speech of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah about Pakistan’s polity, overruling a ministerial objection.

Law and Parliamentary Affairs Minister Sher Afgan Khan Niazi, who is incharge of the government’s legislative business in parliament, opposed MP Bhandara’s private bill that seeks to incorporate in the Constitution the Quaid-i-Azam’s historic August 11, 1947 speech to the then Constituent Assembly with words that religion would have “nothing to do with business of the state”.

But a majority of ruling coalition and opposition members voted ‘yes’ to allow Mr Bhandara, a member of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League (PML), to introduce his Constitution (Amendment) Bill seeking insertion in the Constitution of a new article consisting of the Quaid’s speech, often quoted by liberal politicians and writers to oppose perceived moves by religious parties to turn Pakistan into a theocracy.

Speaker Chaudhry Amir Hussain referred the bill to a house standing committee, where it is likely to generate a lot of controversy, though the move faces an uncertain fate as no party in the government or the opposition has yet to take a position on the draft, which needs a two-thirds majority in both the 342-seat National Assembly and the 100-seat Senate to be passed by each house.

“You are free, you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan,” the founder of the country had told the Constituent Assembly as its first president only three days before the country formally emerged as an independent state on August 14 on the partition of the sub-continent, and added: “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to with business of the state.”

Mr Bhandara later told Dawn that his bill sought to restore an ‘ideological balance’ envisioned by the Quaid-i-Azam but lost by the insertion Article 2-A that made the Objectives Resolution, passed by the Constitution Assembly in the 1950s, a substantive part of the Constitution.

The Objectives Resolution was part of the preamble of the original 1973 Constitution but was made an enforceable substantive part through the controversial Eighth Amendment during the regime of former military ruler General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq as part of his drive to Islamise the Pakistani society.

Mr Bhandara, whose bill calls for the insertion of the Quaid-i-Azam’s speech as Article 2-B of the Constitution, said he would try in the standing committee to get his amendment renumbered as Article 2-A and the present Article 2-A as Article 2-B, and would be satisfied if only the relevant portion or the gist of the speech rather than the whole text was inserted in a ‘useful manner’.

The turn of his bill, which has been pending on the house agenda for a long time, came in the absence of its hardest likely opponents in the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal (MMA) alliance of six Islamic parties, who boycotted the National Assembly’s present session until Tuesday to protest against the passage of the women’s rights bill by both houses of parliament in November.

Members of religious parties have often quoted other speeches of the Quaid-i-Azam to counter argument for a secular polity.

The Objectives Resolution says that in Pakistan “Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and the Sunnah”, and “adequate provision shall be made for the minorities to profess and practice their religion and develop their cultures”.

Mr Niazi, while opposing Mr Bhandara’s move, said nowhere in the world a speech of the founder of a country had been made part of its constitution and argued that the bill could not enjoy support from a two-thirds majority needed for the passage of a constitutional amendment.

The ruling coalition stole the limelight on what was the first private members’ day of the present session that began on August 6.

Mr Bhandara’s bill was taken up after PML president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain introduced his Prevention of Anti-Women Practices (Criminal Law Amendment) Bill that seeks to eliminate what it called some ‘inhuman practices and customs’.

In another development, another ruling party member, Sardar Mohammad Nasrullah Dreshak, introduced a bill to remove what was described as only a technical error in the one passed last year to allow the so-called ‘one-dish’ but up to six-item meals at wedding parties.

When some members asked why the amendment was needed so soon after the previous private bill became an act after its passage by both houses of parliament and presidential assent, the speaker said that the earlier draft had mentioned only private homes and not hotels and wedding halls where meals could be served.

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I second the proposal.

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muallsh will burn tires, musharraf will be called western stooge, statements will be made that pak is being made a kaffir state.

wait and watch...

and btw, I am in agreement, and call for a vote.

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While I don't agree with making any speech part of the constitution, I certainly agree with the concept that the state and religion should be seprated. I have always held the view that Jinnah wanted Pakistan for the muslims of the sub continent and not as an Islamic state.

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are they going to make pakistan a secular state ?

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I am all for it. My vote is Yes.

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Mr. Jinnah’s presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947

Mr. President, Ladies and Gentlemen!

I cordially thank you, with the utmost sincerity, for the honour you have conferred upon me - the greatest honour that is possible to confer - by electing me as your first President. I also thank those leaders who have spoken in appreciation of my services and their personal references to me. I sincerely hope that with your support and your co-operation we shall make this Constituent Assembly an example to the world. The Constituent Assembly has got two main functions to perform. The first is the very onerous and responsible task of framing the future constitution of Pakistan and the second of functioning as a full and complete sovereign body as the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. We have to do the best we can in adopting a provisional constitution for the Federal Legislature of Pakistan. You know really that not only we ourselves are wondering but, I think, the whole world is wondering at this unprecedented cyclonic revolution which has brought about the clan of creating and establishing two independent sovereign Dominions in this sub-continent. As it is, it has been unprecedented; there is no parallel in the history of the world. This mighty sub-continent with all kinds of inhabitants has been brought under a plan which is titanic, unknown, unparalleled. And what is very important with regards to it is that we have achieved it peacefully and by means of an evolution of the greatest possible character.

Dealing with our first function in this Assembly, I cannot make any well-considered pronouncement at this moment, but I shall say a few things as they occur to me. The first and the foremost thing that I would like to emphasize is this: remember that you are now a sovereign legislative body and you have got all the powers. It, therefore, places on you the gravest responsibility as to how you should take your decisions. The first observation that I would like to make is this: You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State. The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering - I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think our condition is much worse - is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand and I hope that you will take adequate measures as soon as it is possible for this Assembly to do so. Black-marketing is another curse. Well, I know that blackmarketeers are frequently caught and punished. Judicial sentences are passed or sometimes fines only are imposed. Now you have to tackle this monster, which today is a colossal crime against society, in our distressed conditions, when we constantly face shortage of food and other essential commodities of life. A citizen who does black-marketing commits, I think, a greater crime than the biggest and most grievous of crimes. These blackmarketeers are really knowing, intelligent and ordinarily responsible people, and when they indulge in black-marketing, I think they ought to be very severely punished, because the entire system of control and regulation of foodstuffs and essential commodities, and cause wholesale starvation and want and even death.

The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil, the evil of nepotism and jobbery. I want to make it quite clear that I shall never tolerate any kind of jobbery, nepotism or any any influence directly of indirectly brought to bear upon me. Whenever I will find that such a practice is in vogue or is continuing anywhere, low or high, I shall certainly not countenance it. I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of everyone of us to loyally abide by it and honourably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all. But you must remember, as I have said, that this mighty revolution that has taken place is unprecedented. One can quite understand the feeling that exists between the two communities wherever one community is in majority and the other is in minority. But the question is, whether it was possible or practicable to act otherwise than what has been done, A division had to take place. On both sides, in Hindustan and Pakistan, there are sections of people who may not agree with it, who may not like it, but in my judgement there was no other solution and I am sure future history will record is verdict in favour of it. And what is more, it will be proved by actual experience as we go on that was the only solution of India’s constitutional problem. Any idea of a united India could never have worked and in my judgement it would have led us to terrific disaster. Maybe that view is correct; maybe it is not; that remains to be seen. All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be on end to the progress you will make.

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. Well, gentlemen, I do not wish to take up any more of your time and thank you again for the honour you have done to me. I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fairplay without any, as is put in the political language, prejudice or ill-will, in other words, partiality or favouritism. My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest nations of the world.

I have received a message from the United States of America addressed to me. It reads:

I have the honour to communicate to you, in Your Excellency’s capacity as President of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan, the following message which I have just received from the Secretary of State of the United States: On the occasion of of the first meeting of the Constituent Assembly for Pakistan, I extend to you and to the members of the Assembly, the best wishes of the Government and the people of the United States for the successful conclusion of the great work you are about to undertake.

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I actually saw the above engraved in a mural one of the entrances to PNS Jauhar in Karachi some years ago. :k:

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This should be on the first page of every Pakistan studies book so idea of tolerance is engrained in every citizen from the beginning.

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It's a VERY sneaky move. A very well planned move. It' has my full support.

Lets see any patriotic Pakistani try to argue against adding the speech to our constitution. If the mullahs do attempt to say something, can you imagine the spin you can create? "Unpatriotic Mullahs refuse to accept Quaid". It's about time someone caught them off guard.

If you want to do something significant for Pakistan in your lifetime, I'd suggest you align yourself with some Pakistani lobby groups. Get your name in their databases. This secularization issue will be huge and I'm confident it'll be an issue that'll be confronted head-on in my lifetime.

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^ Dude, they've already openly spoken out against Jinnah's vision numerous times before. Read up the history of Jamait-e-Islami etc, they all opposed Pakistan's creation. Furthermore, havent you heard of anti-Pak speeches during tableeghi Jamaat sessions? The logic they present is that partition divided the strength of the Muslims.

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What about the volumes of Paens the dude said about Islam....and his ambition for an 'Islamic Welfare State'...incorporating Islamic values...and so on.

One thing that must be understood about Jinnah was that he was an opportunist...and did not adopt a secular platform by any means, even though not a practicing Muslim. He knew what to say to the people, and at what time.

In this regard, I think Ghandi was perhaps the more honest and sincere of the two...

We should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of **Islamic social justice **could find free play

You have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of **Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice* and the equality of manhood in your own native soil. With** faith*, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve

The fact of the matter is that, although personally secular, Jinnah knew the concept of a secular state created for Muslims was stillborn...he wasn't stupid. To this end, he was a good politician...but the speech should be understood as Jinnah comforting religious minorities, not of stating any secular mandate for Pakistan; he had ample opporutnity to clearly spell out the role of Islam with respec to the state. He didn't. Nor was he unaware of the diffifculty in doing that; Attaturk was certainly known to Jinnah.

It's stupid to encorporate text of a speech into a constitution; to my understanding the text of the speech is already in conformance to the constitution. Now, it depends on how we read the speech of course...

As for the JI...LOL...there position is quite clear, and if anythihng just as two-faced as Jinnah. JI's stance was that Pakistan was a stupid idea (for reasons Spock presented)...and so were against the state. However on the formation of the state, they changed their stance as a show of solidarity. This is more or less true.

Now that we've deconstructed the myth of Jinnah as Islamist...perhaps we can deconstruct the myth of Jinnah as the modernist visonary...to simply Jinnah, the paranoid man who fought for an indepndent Muslim state for fear of subjegation by a Hindu majority. This was a reasonable stance, and a valid fear. But nowhere does one see a coherent political ideology other than the TNT, and the basis of that ideology is neither Islamist or Secular...but fear.

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Eerr, I wasnt really talking about Jinnah's speech picocio, I was merely talkign about how religious parties have opposed Jinnah's vision.

But yes, if you want to discuss Jinnah and Gandhi, Jinnah was definitely the more honest out of the two. Gandhi, as much as he was a great human being, was shrewd and cunning, what I would call in Punjabi a 'meesna'. Jinnah was not a religious man, true, but he wanted a state primarily for the Muslims, where they were free to practice their religion Islam, retaining their majority, basic principles of the Quran and Sunnah implemented, BUT at the same time minorities free to practice their religiouns without compulsions. This was not achievable, atleast for the Muslims under a United India.

Now before our Baharti friends come our here and a fresh barnool ki supply is ordered, this is just my personal view as a Muslim from Pakistan, Im sure you guys dont agree with it, but hey thats what I think.

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The Jinnah the people are familiar with is Zia's Jinnah...not the new modern Jinnah. And certainly not the historical, booze swashing Jinnah who spoke of Islamic values in a new Muslim state.

Certainly modern secualarist see a hero in this new Jinnah...but then...so what? Back in '47....if people knew Jinnah was a swine-eating drunkard...who would follow him?! Pakistan needs to be true to it's vision as a Muslim state, however it sees fit. But removing Islam from a Muslim state is semi-retarded. What, then, is the difference between Pakistan and India? This absurd notion that we have a more central asian culture? Maybe on the fringes of Pakistan...but it's a hard sell...

To take Islam out of the state is to take the Muslim out of it...there simply is no such thing that defines a secular Muslim...neither a common event or an ethnicity.

If indeed Pakistan becomes secular, it should do the right thing, and unify with India. Ironically...what JI wanted originally....go figure.

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I know...my point was that they did indeed switch stance...so this "black mark" against them is a bit dishonest. Jinnah did not honestly have a vision for Pakistan. Just look at what it was when it was created...sans constitution and all...how strange for a visionary.

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But yes, if you want to discuss Jinnah and Gandhi, Jinnah was definitely the more honest out of the two.

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I disagree. Ghandi is certainly much more consistant. Shrewd he was...but I think his appeal was personal, and not based on some vague promise of a homeland based on an abstract notion of Muslims constituting a seperate nation...

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This was not achievable, atleast for the Muslims under a United India.

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The freedom of religion bit? Sure it was...an independent Muslim state...obviously not. I stress...Jinnah's proposition was based on FUD...fear...uncertainty...and doubt. Was it manipulation, or a conviction? I just don't know.

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Now before our Baharti friends come our here and a fresh barnool ki supply is ordered, this is just my personal view as a Muslim from Pakistan, Im sure you guys dont agree with it, but hey thats what I think.
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We'll...my Mom self-identifies as Indian (inspite of living in Pakistan for a few years after marraige), and my father was a flag-waving Pakistani...so I think I make a good devil's advocate... :)

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Well, to each their own leaders, for me its Jinnah, for you Gandhi, totally acceptable. But, I for one am thankful I did not live in India as a Muslim, for many obvious reasons.

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I agree that Jinnah did not want an Ataturk-style secular state, but at the same time he certainly did not want a religious theocracy like Iran or Saudi Arabia. He did not live long enough to formulate the kind of state he really wanted, hence we have veered from one idealogical end to another for the last 59 years. But I would have guessed he wanted a Pakistan more like the one that existed until the early 1970's, where Islam was the state religion but minorities were treated as absolute equals. After all for much of the 1960's we had a Christian - Justice Cornelius as the CJ of the Supreme Court, and minorities in other high offices, no Sunni-Shia conflicts etc.

The two leaders most to blame for making Pakistan a hostage to religious fanatics are Zulfikar Bhutto who first pandered to the demands of the mullahs and started enacting "Islamic laws", and marking out divsions between Muslims and non-Muslims. Then Zia-ul-Haq who took the extremism and religious exclusivity to a new high, and for which only Musharraf has been brave enough to start reversing.

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Spock,
Don't get me wrong...I have no particular love for either...or hatred. What I do hate is this "Oh, Jinnah said this so we must make Pakistan into what Jinnah wanted" talk. No we don’t. And why pick on this one aspect…Jinnah also wanted a corruption free state…let’s incorporate that into the freaking constitution. Seems like all these law makers are interested in is shagging in middle of the street with vodka in hand. Okay, I exaggerate.

Now I have to ask...why are you thankful? Although my close relations are in Pakistan...I still have third cousins in India...and they're doing quite well.

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True! I suppose my point was...Jinnah didn't really care. All he was concerned about was the TNT...and if we take him at face value, a Muslim state of any flavour was better than Hindu subjugation.

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He did not live long enough to formulate the kind of state he really wanted, hence we have veered from one idealogical end to another for the last 59 years.

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This is difficult for me to accept...it smacks of opportunism. But I do have a soft spot for Jinnah, so let's assume no ill intent or subterfuge. I would argue, then, that the ideological basis of this new state would be the first darn thing Jinnah would have worked out if he was to sell it. I think he did...TNT. And TNT is by no means a secular ideology, it's sectarian on a religious basis.

The role of Islam in his state was not really a concern of his. To be honest, I don't think he knew enough of Islam to understand it's political dimension...

But in fairness, if Jinnah had lived long enough...he just as well may have seen Pakistan disintegrate over the issue Islam in the state...I don't think we can assume he would have simply put his foot down and demanded his way...

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But I would have guessed he wanted a Pakistan more like the one that existed until the early 1970's, where Islam was the state religion but minorities were treated as absolute equals.

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I agree...

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The two leaders most to blame for making Pakistan a hostage to religious fanatics are Zulfikar Bhutto who first pandered to the demands of the mullahs and started enacting "Islamic laws", and marking out divsions between Muslims and non-Muslims. Then Zia-ul-Haq who took the extremism and religious exclusivity to a new high, and for which only Musharraf has been brave enough to start reversing.
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But now is creating a bigger rift...religious and secular. Why is that okay?

I mean...it's interesting how we reduce everything down to religion...even those that are pro-secular...I see Bhutto's biggest flaw as destroying the economy through all his stupid nationalization drives. Zia's flaw was aligning tightly with the US, and being a co-signer to the inherently dangerous anti-Soviet mission...Islamization is way down the list.

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I really do not want to live under a government which claims its secular, yet has this fake mask on, and in reality is just Ram Raj. Gujrat was just one example.

I believe in Jinnah, and to me, there is no other peson in the world who has earned so much respect. I have studied him in great detail, and am convinced he was a man of great vision, and the best thing is, he got what he wanted in the end, though not everything went according to his wishes, thanks to some sinister elements from the other side.