This is no doubt sickening and may Allah forgive her and have mercy on her. I don't condone what happened to her. However, when I look at the kind of lifestyle she had, I think what a sad life. It is no honor at all to be called Pakistan's Kim Kardashian. Honor killing is worse, obviously. But her shamelessness was nothing to celebrate either. None of us knows how long we have left on this earth. The brother has to face Allah for murder and she has to face Him too. The killing should be condemned and rightly so, but the whole thing gives one much to reflect over.
What she was doing wasn't right but its her business. As long as she wasn't a threat to anyone else, harming anyone else or a danger...what she was should not even be discussed. She was innocent. What she did in her personal life means nothing as they weren't crimes.
The other thing is...these people who murdered her...also cashed in on her success. She was the main breadwinner of the family.
If all the character assassination of Qandeel was happening in maybe KSA (if she was a Saudi) then it might have had a justification. Pathetic thing is that she is being called whore and prostitute by a nation who was once dubbed as pornistan by international media. Google data revealed that 90% of internet traffic of Pakistan is nothing but looking and searching for porn sites. In fact the kind of keyword searches that were used showed the sick and pathetic mind of our nation, for example, donkey sex was one of the widely searched term.
Without a doubt Pakistanis in general are the most hypocrite and double standard people in the world.
What she was doing wasn't right but its her business. As long as she wasn't a threat to anyone else, harming anyone else or a danger...what she was should not even be discussed. She was innocent. What she did in her personal life means nothing as they weren't crimes.
The other thing is...these people who murdered her...also cashed in on her success. She was the main breadwinner of the family.
I feel like I have to say it a thousand times more that what the brother did was heinous before condemning her choices....because it seems people are getting upset. I've heard she has a 5 year old son and I feel bad for him that he has to forever deal with his mother's absence....and that's very painful in and of itself....without also having to face unsavory or crude comments about her from society. People ideally should mind their own business, I get that. But when you put yourself out there in media circus ...in a certain way you're letting your business be known and in the process you may end up attracting dangerous attention...from people or rather wolves who want to exploit you, etc etc. The whole affair is unfortunate but to be able to step back and call what is ghalat as "ghalat" ...whether it be in regards to a celebrity's choices or evn our own choices.....is not a condemnation to hell nor does it render the person callous or cold. Allah us ki maghfirat karay....cuz we all need that...and may she also rest in peace and her family have sabar abd strength.
This is no doubt sickening and may Allah forgive her and have mercy on her. I don't condone what happened to her. However, when I look at the kind of lifestyle she had, I think what a sad life. It is no honor at all to be called Pakistan's Kim Kardashian. Honor killing is worse, obviously. But her shamelessness was nothing to celebrate either. None of us knows how long we have left on this earth. The brother has to face Allah for murder and she has to face Him too. The killing should be condemned and rightly so, but the whole thing gives one much to reflect over.
I can be very judgmental sometimes and make comments on how certain celebs (Kardashians, Jenner’s, Mira’s and some Instagram models) live their lives by doing what they do. Sometimes I would cringe at how self-obsessed and self-centered these people are. BUT those are very harmless thoughts. Forget everything else, if I saw them, I wouldn’t even bother saying anything to their face. WHY, because I like minding my own business. And so was she. She didn’t harm anyone, didn’t commit a crime, didn’t force people to like her FB face or hold you to your neck and make you watch all her videos. She just did what she wanted to. Prostitution, harems, mistress etc. are as old as any civilization. It’s just more open now with social media then it was before so I don’t grasp how Allah should have mercy on her when she didn’t commit any crime (based on what I have read about her and I am sure we are reading the same synopsis ). How come I don’t see galat for anyone who was using her (the muftis etc. ) but then we want to jump the bandwagon to condemn her from doing it.
No one is celebrating her shamelessness, they are just defending her right to live. I am just applauded with all the “however” “but” and all other kind of justifications to how she had it coming. No, she did not nor did she deserve it.
When I see all these educated people making comments, I just loose hope in humanity but the again education doesn’t always equate knowledge.
Good grief. I never said she "deserved" nor do I believe that she "deserved" it. I neither condone the brother's heinous soch and actions, nor am I going to say that her own choices were right.
nor am I going to say that her own choices were right.
Her own choices are not even a topic of this thread. Why is it even part of the discussion?
Mrs Saieen is right. When we condemn her killing and add a 'but', then we are actually justifying her murder. Her murder is an ugly display of male chauvinism and animalistic society that we are living in.
Her own choices are not even a topic of this thread. Why is it even part of the discussion?
Mrs Saieen is right. When we condemn her killing and add a 'but', then we are actually justifying her murder. Her murder is an ugly display of male chauvinism and animalistic society that we are living in.
I know my intentions and Allah knows them....and He knows that I find no happiness in what happened to her. He knows that I don't believe she deserved to die. I feel upset that you should even insinuate that I would justify something like this. Please stop as I don't appreciate it. I've been on GS a long time and regardless of how you feel about me.....you've seen my posts over the past 8 years and it shocks me that you would think that I would justify a crime like this.
Let me give you a simple analogy, TLK. One that I am very familiar with. You see a child that makes a poor choice by verbally bullying another kid. The latter strikes him hard in the face. The former made a poor choice but I also don't believe it justifies the punch. A wife can get on her husband's and drive him batty but it doesn't justify him hitting or killing her in any way. And even if people were to point out her own mistakes or to point out what she could have done differently for her own safety and well-being....even then it does not mean that they are justifying her spouse's physical attack. And to assume thus is a gross assumption; it's like putting words in one's mouth. So, please stop making erroneous assumptions about my neeyat. There have been other members besides myself who have also admitted that she wasn't right...or who have said that she was wrong too......and I certainly did not pounce upon that acknowledgment and conclude that they most definitely are justifying what happened to her. So, please stop.
RV - I know you to be fair and honest. None of us thinks you supprted her murder. In one of your posts, what you stated caught my attention in a positive way - and I paraphrase from memory : yiu stated all of us do wrong. Regardless of whether it was you or someone near to you or Qnadeel, you would have stated the same about her actions.
That comment separates you from some others who have been a tad cruel to Qandeel.
Having said that, it comes across as insensitive to criticize the victim of a murder.
I know my intentions and Allah knows them....and He knows that I find no happiness in what happened to her. He knows that I don't believe she deserved to die. I feel upset that you should even insinuate that I would justify something like this. Please stop as I don't appreciate it. I've been on GS a long time and regardless of how you feel about me.....you've seen my posts over the past 8 years and it shocks me that you would think that I would justify a crime like this.
Let me give you a simple analogy, TLK. One that I am very familiar with. You see a child that makes a poor choice by verbally bullying another kid. The latter strikes him hard in the face. The former made a poor choice but I also don't believe it justifies the punch. A wife can get on her husband's and drive him batty but it doesn't justify him hitting or killing her in any way. And even if people were to point out her own mistakes or to point out what she could have done differently for her own safety and well-being....even then it does not mean that they are justifying her spouse's physical attack. And to assume thus is a gross assumption; it's like putting words in one's mouth. So, please stop making erroneous assumptions about my neeyat. There have been other members besides myself who have also admitted that she wasn't right...or who have said that she was wrong too......and I certainly did not pounce upon that acknowledgment and conclude that they most definitely are justifying what happened to her. So, please stop.
Ok ok I will stop my insinuations, just because you are asking. :(