Madhanee Kaleem, I consider myself to be Shia-Ahmadi of Ehle-Sunnah Iqeeda. So Shiraz is on the topic.
I wish I am kicked out of Islamic Diara, so I can do whatever I want and worship whomever I wish, and eat and drink whatever I feel like. I am too impatient to wait for Sharab and Kabab and Shabab until I arrive in Janat. I want that here. And I want it now.
go on then no body is stopping u ie if u have the guts to go against The lord of this universe. have fun see u in hell :)
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Just back off Qadiyanis man...don't you guys have anything better to do ? Like practice your own version of Islam ?
Let people believe in what they want. Everyone has to give their own word in front of Allah.
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Yeah ..do whatever they want to do...but not in the name of islam.......
start a new religion by the name of mirza qadiyanism.....we have no objection.....just leave islam...like bahai's did......
Bao bihari Boo Hoo...
Nobody needs to leave Islam. If you are so unhappy, then you leave islam. People like you can't be happy in Islam and can't leave others to be happy either. Everyone is waiting for a messiah and qadiyanis just believe he has already come. What's the big deal ?
Qadiyanis believe that they are practising true Islam. Allah is the best one to know about what is in everyones hearts. By the way, they do not practise anything AGAINST islam. Their beliefs are strong and they follow them whole-heartedly. Why don't you do the same ? They are not physically harming you or blaming you. So, you do the same.
Practise Islam to the way you believe is right and leave others alone. Learn to have tolerance. Love to respect mankind for what they are worth. None of us practise Islam to the "best" level and then we have the odacity to "bark" at others.
No kicking nobody out from nowhere. You never know Allah may kick you out somewhere and you may have a hard time coming back..so behave and be nice...
Good Luck !
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They are not physically harming you or blaming you. So, you do the same.
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Muslims are also not physically harming them.
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Their beliefs are strong and they follow them whole-heartedly.
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Does this mean their beliefs are right? Don't Jews follow their beliefs strongly too?
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None of us practise Islam to the "best" level and then we have the odacity to "bark" at others.
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A person not practicing Islam at its "best" is better than a non-Muslim practicing his religion at its "best".
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Qadiyanis believe that they are practising true Islam.
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Only that it is NOT islam.
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Practise Islam to the way you believe is right and leave others alone.
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Muslims can not let, for example, Christians call themselves Muslims. Qadianis have separate religion. They are free to practice it, but they should not call it Islam.
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You never know Allah may kick you out somewhere and you may have a hard time coming back.
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So it is a justification for Qadianis to call themselves Muslims?
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so behave and be nice
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Again. Nobody is being rude. It is stating facts. And the fact is that Qadianis are not Muslims. They should not be offended by it.
Quote "And the fact is that Qadianis are not Muslims."
Who are you ? God ???
I don't think so... how do I know you are a muslim ?
Why don't you call Ismailies and Shias and others non-muslims ?
What is in a muslim anyways ? Please clarify..
Is this discussion going anywhere?
Surely all of you know that you can not (positively can NOT) decide the issue of qadianis being muslims or not, in the space provided by an internet discussion forum. We have been through so many similar discussions before.
Kindly make your concluding comments now, and this thread will be closed in a few hours. Do not try to prolong current arguments as when this thread is closed, no extension of the discussion in another thread will be permitted
Jazak Allah and Shukria. :)
Religious Intolerance is NOT ACCEPTABLE. In any form or shape.
Keep your faith and belief to yourselves, as is meant to be and don't try to preach at others what they need to believe in. Each muslim should be respected for their own individuality and their own relationship with Allah. Only Allah knows what is right and wrong. He is the BEST of Judge.
Who are we to judge others ?
That's all I have to say in conclusion....
Diva4U :k:.
My last words in this Threads. We are Alhamdolillah MUSLIMS and we give our BEST to FOLLOW ISLAM.
If some1 outhere consider us as Kafir, then GOOD FOR THEM, cuz we dont care about this, as WE HAVE TO ASNWER ALLAH :swt: and not them!!!
May Allah :swt: guide us to the right path. Ameen
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Religious Intolerance is NOT ACCEPTABLE. In any form or shape.
Keep your faith and belief to yourselves, as is meant to be and don't try to preach at others what they need to believe in. Each muslim should be respected for their own individuality and their own relationship with Allah. Only Allah knows what is right and wrong. He is the BEST of Judge.
Who are we to judge others ?
That's all I have to say in conclusion....
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So people can challenge, curse hadith and Sahabas.
But when we give the reply, people say" keep your teachings to yourslef".
No we will not. I will not.
Rehman Sahib, Haven’t Muslim people taken on the ownership of all Prophets??? Tell that to a Jew that Moses was Islam’s prophet, and see what happens to your claim. You keep your Prophet, but don’t claim a stake in other people’s prophets. It’s cheating.
Ok... guys enough of this. The arguments are going all over the place. Ideally I will try to put the discussion back on track, but in this instance, seems like the thread was started on a negative note, and in all fairness the basic question is already answered by some. Hence this thread is now closed. Please re-focus your knowledge on more important issues.. such as cricket or stealing from dish/cable, or whatever floats your boat. :-)