It is claimed by the Qadianis that the mental development of Mirza of Qadian was superior to that of the holy Prophet (SAW). Thus it is said:
“The mental development of the promised Masih (i.e. the Mirza of Qadian) was higher than that of the holy Prophet (SAW). And this is only a part of the SUPERIORITY which the promised Masih has over the holy Prophet. The mental faculties of the holy Prophet could not manifest fully owing to the deficiency of civilization; although the ability existed. They have now manifested themselves fully through the promised Masih by virtue of the advancement of civilization.” (Review, May 1929, as cited in Qadiani Mazhab, p.266, ninth edition. Lahore)
So there you have it; not only was the Prophet Muhammed(SAW) NOT the last Prophet sent to mankind, he was also INFERIOR to the new model, Ghulam Mirza, despite being described in the Qur’an as the best and final messenger! These people seem to be able to twist the meaning of the Qur’an into the exact opposite of it’s apparent meaning. They get 10 out of 10 for ingenuity!
Is this 'Qadiani Mazhab' the same title as the one by Prof. Ilyas Burni, i.e 'Qadiyanioon ka Ilmi Muhasibah'?
How do the Ahmadies view this work? Of all the other anti Ahmadi material, this is the least offensive, but of course the Ahmadies would know better, then!
Mr. Xtreme seem to have lost his head. Qouting something from a mag that has nothing to do with either the ahmadia community or any single ahmadi as a proof ain't a good thing. I think u should have a glass of water, it may help u to calm down a bit.
I think any independent viewer can look at this quote, look at the reference, and make up their own minds as to whether it came from an Ahmediyya source or not.
The glass of water was very refreshing. Thanks for the tip.
To All Qadiani/Ahmadi/Lahori or whatever you call yourself.
If I were you I would take each statement of Mr Xtreme and prove it wrong. If you people will simply say that it is a lie, you have simply accetpted it as a true statement, because if you cannot prove it wrong, its mean it is write.
Abrar,
Why do you say that keeping quite means every thing is right. In order to discuss issues you need to establish a common Platform. There are certain believes which comes with Faith, Lets see how would you explain Miracle of spliting of Moon and Miracle of Mirage Sharif of Hazur (SAW) to non-mulsim, what will be his reaction. I think same as the reactions of Kufars of Mecca, when they found out about Mirage (nowzobilaminzaliq) they made fun of Hazure SAW by telling the whole thing to Hazurat Abu Bakar. We need to stay at the basis and the basis is whether Mirza Sahib was a true Nabi or not, rest comes later. They can spend months and months to explain all the quotes and this guy will keep on posting new one by cutting and pasting from some internet site.
Now the question is to a wise guy, would quoting some thing from a book without reading it is doing justice with that book, I don't know you answer me, do you think you can claim that you read a quote from a book and understood the whole book. Like Allah says in Quran (Surat Al-Hujurat)
O ye who believe, when an untrustworthy person come to you with a serious intellegence, do check up on it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, and then be resentfull over that which you have done (49:6)
It's upto you, do you want to find the truth about everything, you will need to read those books. I am sure if above person is a wise guy, he read all those books before he started quoting from those books otherwise you can say that there is no differnce between him and Sulman Rushdie. Remember, when he did the same to us by putting false thing about Islam, do you thing he actually read Quran and other Islamic books, I don't think so. The westeren world had same reaction, they loved that book because that's what they wanted to see about Islam.
It's upto you, pray to God because he's the only one who knows the truth.
We need to stay at the basis and the basis is whether Mirza Sahib was a true Nabi or not, rest comes later.<
Deciding whether he was a true nabi or not, is the whole point of all these debates. There is no "rest" that comes later.
They can spend months and months to explain all the quotes and this guy will keep on posting new one by cutting and pasting from some internet site.<
If you notice, except one or two obvious misquotes, no one has yet offered any explanation for the quotes or their context. No one has yet posted a page or two from Roohani-Khazaain so that we would be sure of what the context is. And some of these quotes have been very radical, to say the least.
It's upto you, pray to God because he's the only one who knows the truth.<
And the same God has ordered you to make some efforts in stopping others from doing bad deeds.
I don't understand why do we all get so uncomfortable, whenever someone starts stating the obvious differences between various sects ? If the differences exist we should all hear them out in painstaking detail, so we can find some common ground to stand (yes, think about it, the logic may sound strange to you at first) or we may decide whether there's a need for a common ground in the first place or not. Covering all these differences by closing our eyes, putting a lid of ignorance and saying things like "we are all brothers, since we all believe in basic things" (where belief has become such a cheap commodity that we openly ridicule every thing that our Prophet stood for and yet have the audacity to claim that we have a "belief" in him) doesn't help. By doing so, at best we remain ignorant and keep issuing worthless statements like "it isn't our fault, it's all hindu, christian, jew lobby which create these differences"; and at worst the hyper-active members of each sect pick up arms and kill each other.
Knowledge is power, even if it means knowing something that we won't like.
hey deepblue if u dont like the and only the truth atleast learn to handle it haan....plzzzzz grow up !!!!
i will say it again and again ahmadis and another stupid chaaal of kafirs and munafiks and shetans...as allah said there will be those who will challeng alah and his prophet but u wil only get fire....friedns of devil will never succeed...U KNOW WAT IS RIGHT AND TURE U JUST DONT WANT TO BELIEVE IT AS JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY U IDIOTS....BUT WHEN ALLAH DONT WANT U TO DO GOOD DEEDS WHAT CAN A HUMAN DO ALL A HUMAN CAN DO IS TEL U THE RIGHT WAY AND U KNOW WAT IS THAT GOD MAY HELP U !!
I know you are miffed on my act of editing, but I was making sure that, if in future someone calls a religious figure (who you respect) a "bozo" (your word), I 'll be able to edit that out without someone complaining about my one-sided approach. It's only fair.
what religious figure? And religion what religion are u talking about any religion from islam is no religion its just way of shetan to creat problems and do what he said to allha that he will make kafirs out of muslims and that what is happening now with you ahmedis. Try to digest the truth if u cant handle it please it ll help us alot every one and there already alots of probs facing mulims i dont think we want anymore of that shit but people dont learn until allah has its will!
JaaWan
oh yea i know how to write very better then u do, we dotn judge people by how we write !!!
There are certain believes which comes with Faith, Lets see how would you explain Miracle of spliting of Moon and Miracle of Mirage Sharif of Hazur (SAW) to non-mulsim, what will be his reaction.<
As muslims it is incumbent upon us to uphold the miracles that were granted to the prophets of Bani Israel such as those that were granted to Abraham, Moses, Suleman, Daood, Eesa, to name a few. The practicing jews and christians also beleive in miracles that were granted to Moses and Eesa p.b.u.t. and we all know how extraordinary these miracles were since most of them have been mentioned in the Quran. Therefore, miracles are not new to them or something inherent to Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h. only. Allah grants these favors to his special servants i.e. the prophets to bolster the credibility of their message in the eyes of people. Can you tell the number and type of miracles that Mirza was granted by Allah?. This question is asked purely to learn and should not be taken as a challenge.
Jawaan has a point. if Qadianis have ever said such a thing, then they ought to face the consequences. If they try to fomment trouble then they should face the music. WHY IN THE WORLD DO THEY SAY SUCH A THING IN THE FIRST PLACE???
Believes of Mirza Sahib
The sublime light which was bestowed on man,i.e the most perfect among them, was not shared by any angels nor by stars;nor was it in the moon, nor in the sun, or in the oceans and the rivers. It was not found in Rubies or emeralds, nor in the sapphires, nor in the pearls: it was not in the earthly or heavenly object. It was possessed only by the perfect man, manifested in the most consummate way in the person of our lord and master, Muhammad (SAW), the chosen one, the chief of all the prophets, leader of those who live (in the sight of Allah). So, that light was bestowed in that man and likewise, to degree, on all who in their several ways were similar to him...
Sublime grace was possed in its most perfect and consummate manifestation by our lord and master, the unlettered Prophet, the truthfull one, the one whose truth is testified to, Muhammad (SAW), the chosen one peace be on him. (Ayena Kamalat-e-Islam: Rohani Khazain Vol 5 pp 160-162)
[This message has been edited by MTANWEER (edited May 09, 1999).]