Putin urges voters to back Bush

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What a great endorsement, haha.

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) – Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat “could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world.”

Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.

“Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush,” Putin said.

"International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.

“If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition,” Putin said.

“In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world.”

Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.

“Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events,” he said. “We respect any choice the American people will make.”

President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.

“Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush,” he said.

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^^

That's not an "endorsement" UTD. Just an analysis of world events. As Putin said, any "unbiased observer" would acknowledge the following:

** "International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.

"If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.

"In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."
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Even you would not argue that the Madrid bombings were done to affect the election in Spain. Even you would not deny that the terrorists were very satisfied with the Spanish election outcome and probably viewed it as a victory for themselves.

So terrorists don't want GWB to win re-election? Well DUH. They are at the top of the list of people who would say "anyone but Bush."

What's the matter UTD? Does it make you a little nervous to think that you and the terrorists who want to kill us would both prefer Kerry in the White House? Keep that as your last thought before voting for Kerry will you.

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haha putin is a puto

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dude actually terrorists would like bush to win. it is just so easy for them to recruit as long as bush's war on islam..ahem terror continues. i think AQ sees bush as the emperor nero who played fiddle while rome burned, and his war on terror as the final battle between good and evil, so why the hell would they want a leftie kerry to win and end the war when it is about to turn corners for the benefit of AQ? i mean think about it, after the iraq war, AQ has gained a land where they can send ppl to target practice on live american troops rather than videos of americans. they dont need training camps, any one who survives iraq will be deadly trained and ready to go to other places. they have a place where they can get unlimited training, and even if their operatives are killed they still cause damage. they have constant propaganda coming out of even western press that helps their cause (abu gharib and other scandals) they are churning military videos that are sold like hot cakes in muslim countries.

and as long as americans are tied up in iraq, syria and iran wont be bothered, so probably these countries are paying /helping AQ (i duobt iran is, cuz AQ is not shia friendly) but any ways, dont worry bush supporters, if AQ had its way, bush will win inshallah.

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*Originally posted by myvoice: *
So terrorists don't want GWB to win re-election? Well DUH. They are at the top of the list of people who would say "anyone but Bush."

What's the matter UTD? Does it make you a little nervous to think that you and the terrorists who want to kill us would both prefer Kerry in the White House? Keep that as your last thought before voting for Kerry will you.
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Of course terrorists want GW to win. He is playing from their sheet of music, like a puppet on a string. He is their #1 recruiter. If we had a sensible president with sensible anti-terror policies, the extremists wouldn't have as strong a position with their supporters. Anyone who would say differently probably thinks O'Reilly is not in the "conservative" camp.

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Putin is feeling kinda lonely with all the recent dicatatorial powers.. wants Bush to give him some company i guess..

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:eek: Seminole, my good friend, John Kerry has got your head spinning so fast that you are in serious danger of losing all capacity for rational thought. ** “Of course terrorists want GW to win.” ??? ** If true, I’ve got a few ways they can guarantee this happening a lot better than what they’re doing now. Just have OBL and Zarqawi march up to the nearest American GI and surrender. That’s lots better than beheading people and killing US soldiers.

Do you also believe they blew up the Madrid trains so that the old government could stay in power? Do you think they sat around post-election saying: “d*mn. Wrong election, wrong place, wrong time” when the lefties took over in Spain.

Whether it is true or not, terrorists around the world will view a defeat of
GWB as a victory of theirs. They will then have both the Spanish and American election results to wave around as victory flags. Putin knows it. I know it. And in your heart, you know it too. That doesn’t make you a bad person or unpatriotic for voting for Kerry. But for the love of god man, at least cast your vote with your eyes open and your mental thought processes fully at work. If Kerry wins, your celebration will be joined with a lot of celebrations in France, Germany, and in terrorist enclaves in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestinian controlled territories, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and other places. Now I know you wouldn’t vote for Kerry because you share any of these people’s convictions, but doesn’t it bother you just a wee bit that they like the same candidate you do?

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What scares me even more are some of the people that like the other candidate and actually live in this country. I don't follow the "you're with us or you're against" mantra. That's the philosophy that drives blind Bush supporters to cast their vote and divides us. And divides us from the world. I vote for my convictions, whether they match those of the French or not is not involved in my decision. Just because the French want Kerry to win doesn't invalidate my reasons.

And as long as we are generalizing, I have also found a lot of Bush supporters haven't put much thought into their decision and Bush is the easier choice. I can also generally predict a Bush partisan by their level of tolerance, arrogance, and/or selfishness. (Not that all have those traits, but generally the ones who do are voting for Bush.) It is many of those people whose convictions I don't share, not some anonymous Frenchman.

The Spanish election was totally different from this one and so would be the reaction of the public. An attack (or threat) before this election will have folks flocking to Bush for safety. But that doesn't even matter because the terrorists wanted a government change in Spain and here they don't. Madrid bombers were trying to isolate US and peel away our tiny coalition. But if they want to continue their fight against US and gain more supporters, it is in their best interest to have a president who best fits their charges of an "arrogant crusader" (and sorry, but your boy wins that one).

Why would we expect the terrorists to turn rationale and "turn themselves in" to help Bush? And didn't the Iraq/OBL marriage today play right into Bush's hands. Finally, a connection!

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myvioce you dont understand,
madrid was different. did you notice that 6 months ago or so obl offered "peace" to europe if they pulled out of islamic lands? why not the same offer to america? obl has now a blood vengance with US and no matter what happens, they will not give up their fight against it. europe is different, by changing the govt. in spain and making it pull troops, obl only wanted to isolate america. i think those ppl in caves in afghanistan are not stupid and they know that by killing few troops, they cant defeat america, so they are only killing as many as possible before the heavy handed tactics of americans invite more iraqis to join the resistance as guriellas. they want to repeat afghanistan for soviets, vietnam for america and chechnya for russians, a blood sucking black hole. thats it, so they would rather have bush who will send in more troops than the loser kerry who might run away from iraq. the more troops on the ground, the more potential targets for them. but you are right, kerry win will sound like a victory and they will use it to spread propaganda that they forced bush out, but then their causes will suffer because ppl will say , hey bush is out, no more wars, so why does AQ still fight, and their support will go down. thats my take on it as a person who was born in pak and knows the mentality of the masses.

offcourse no one can predict future so who knows may be kerry victory will do wonders for aq just like bush war on terror did

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Yeah - I'm sure comments by borderline fascist Putin will have a huge effect.

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Yeah - I'm sure comments by borderline fascist Putin will have a huge effect.
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I'm sure it won't but it probably ought to. The revelation from Putin that Russian intelligence warned the US intelligence of Saddam's direct involvement in plotting terrorist attacks inside the US escaped the radar screen of the American media. In this case, contrary to the title of the thread, Putin did not "urge" voters to vote for Bush. He expressed his view of how the defeat of Bush would be viewed as a victory for terrorists by the terrorists and their supporters and bolster them in continuing their reign of terror. His opinion is not an endorsement...it just is common sense to anyone who cares to seriously consider the state of world affairs.

As I stated before, it's still OK to vote for Kerry but Kerry voters should stop deceiving themselves about how a Kerry victory will be perceived by those who are our enemies. Vote for him but do it with your eyes open. Do it because you have weighed the perception that terrorists and our enemies will have against what you view as positives that Kerry will bring to the table. I don't happen to believe that any set of positives outweighs the negatives for our country that will occur because of the perception of a terrorist victory.

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I'm sure it won't but it probably ought to. The revelation from Putin that Russian intelligence warned the US intelligence of Saddam's direct involvement in plotting terrorist attacks inside the US escaped the radar screen of the American media.

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Wow, now you’re citing Russian intel as if it's legit. Bush really ought to get this evidence that the Russians have on Saddams plan to attack the U.S. and present it to the UN and to the U.S. public, I mean talk about a great way to win votes...oh you mean there is no evidence?

But what if there was evidence that Russia had showing Saddam was planning attacks on the U.S. ....yet Russia continued to do backdoor deals with Saddam via the oil-for-food-scandal, wouldn't that put Russia on the 'against us' side in the "You're either with us or against” bit?

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:rotfl: Russian Intel?

Russians have less freedom now - and are poorer than under the soviets - Putin stacked everything on his side in the last elections. It won’t be long until Russia becomes like a lot of those other former-soviet nations where elections take place but are really meaningless.

Gonna be a bit hard for the Bush administration to make much fuss about Putin basically ending democracy in Russia now - isn’t it?