Putin …said that new members of the council should not have veto powers.
India, however fully supported Moscow’s bid to join the World Trade Organization.
Although India has been defense shopping in Israel and the United States following the breakup of the Soviet Union, **Russia continues to be the backbone of Indian defense supplies. **
Nearly three-fourths of Indian military's hardware is of Soviet make, and India is hard pressed for the required spare parts.
Finally some interesting moves by Russian leaders in last few weeks…India should pay price for acting like an international prostitute for so long. As long as Soviet Union was a super power, India had no problem in acting like a Russian Mistress to get all military weapons and other strategic advantages. So many times, Russia vetoed Kashmir resolution in United Nations. As a matter of fact India was supporting Russia so shamelessly that it did participate in 1980 Moscow Olympics boycotted by whole world (except the communist block) as a protest to Russian invasion of Afghanistan. When Russia finally collapsed, Indians were fast enough to resume their ties with USA and Israel for military cooperation.
I totally understand that every country has a right to strengthen its strategic and military position but Indians do it so shamelessly that it becomes disgusting. I mean how could you support Russian invasion of Afghanistan but for petty benefits Indians did it. Another prime example is Arab-Israel issue. For almost 30 years, India fooled Arabs by supporting Arafat verbally so that these rich Arab states keep employing millions of Indians. However in early 90s, after Russia’s collapse, Indians realized that it is time to buy modern weapons from Israel. Instantly, Indian regime turned around and established diplomatic relationships with Israel dumping Arafat and Arab States. Wah Lala jee Wah….kiya kehnay app kay…..It is because of India’s such shameless acts that its most dependable ally Russia is finally forced to warn it.
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....For almost 30 years, India fooled Arabs by supporting Arafat verbally so that these rich Arab states keep employing millions of Indians. However in early 90s, after Russia’s collapse, Indians realized that it is time to buy modern weapons from Israel. Instantly, Indian regime turned around and established diplomatic relationships with Israel dumping Arafat and Arab States. ...
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PD I agree with your Indo-Russian comments.
Not to side track this thread, I do have comment on what you said " India fooled Arabs". When Arabs themselves have diplomatic and trade relations with Israel, how could they be fooled?
At least in this vein, the foolishness is squarely on Pakistani side. The day Arafat started direct negotiations with Israel we should have recognized Israel.
How long we'd deny the existence of a real country? The whole world knows that a country exists and we say no! Isn't it bordering psychotic neurotic behavior? Why do we have to be a duddo (frog) witness for a Khawaja (an unpredictable man).
P.D no need to spill so much vitriol. This is how things work in the international arena, countries help each other. Obviously there were two blocs in the Cold War era, and India was in the Soviet Bloc. No wonder they both helped each other out.
Regarding the Arabs, India had no relation with Israel until the Oslo Peace agreement. When the whole world recognized Israel except a few countries India too started to have diplomatic relations with Israel. Its a good thing for India that the relations have proved mutually beneficial.
Regarding buying arms, it is not only in India's interest, but also the US and Israel, who want a pie of the Indians arm market. Currently around USD 15 Billion annually it is projected to grow to around USD 25-30 Billion annually by 2010. No wonder Russia is feeling the heat of the competition and is trying to protect its market share.
Regarding expanding the UN Security Council, no current permanent member would like to dilute their power by inviting 4-5 more countries with veto power. Not only Russia, all others are opposing such a move in one way or the other.
I think you are being overly optimistic by reading too much into the matter.
P.S. The dependable ally Russia, told the Indians the now famous words in 1962 when China attacked, 'You may be our ally, but China is our brother', and President Kennedy of the opposing bloc sent in weapon reinforcement to India in the time of need.
P.S. The dependable ally Russia, told the Indians the now famous words in 1962 when China attacked, 'You may be our ally, but China is our brother'.
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Surya, are you sure about these famous words of 1962 because I have never heard of them plus history does not favor your claim either. China-USSR relationships is one of my favorite topics and I can tell you with full authenticity that under Chairman Mao, China's relationship with the USSR changed dramatically in the late 1950s from one of dependence to independence. Yes, during the 1920s and 1950s, the USSR gave large amounts of money, as well as technical and political advice to China. However, the countries broke into a serious rivalry during the late 1950s when Mao decided that the Soviets had turned their backs on Marx and revolution. The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution affirmed China's independent path from Moscow's control. Therefore it is very unlikely for Russian leaders to address Chinese as their brothers.
P.D. the Russian Chinese relations did not sour very much until the mid-60's. Tensions did exist at the start of the 60's. It was Indira Gandhi who moved India more towards the Russian camp from the generally neutral stance taken by India under Nehru. That famous statement is attributed to Khrushchev and is widely reported in books covering the Indo-Sino war.
I think you should look at your own country before using a word like "prostitute" to describe other nations.
At least India did not take money to kill its own creation and let 20,000 of its citizens bombed to bits by an angry superpower. BTW ask a Kabul resident whether he dislikes India for looking the other way on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or hated the Pakistani proxy rule by the Taliban more, you'll get an answer straight.
Now to the topic, these are today's realities. Future India-Russia ties will be based on interests, not nostalgia. And India and Russia have many shared interests - energy (Russia supplies, India consumes), weapons (same), IT (reverse), a shared commitment against terrorism and much more.
Will there be irritants - absolutely. But Russia and India will not let it affect the overall ties, which are still very healthy.
Surya thanks for providing the link and as a matter of fact I did spend considerable amount of time reading different articles provided by rediff on this topic. However, I would also like to point out that I did not find Khrushchev’s reference in any of these articles.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has clarified that India should have veto powers as a permanent member in an expanded UN Security Council, External Affairs Ministry spokesman said on Saturday.
"In his meeting today with Vice President Bhairon Singh Shekhawat and Leader of the Opposition LK Advani, President Putin categorically rejected the interpretation given by some newspaper reports on his remarks on Friday about veto powers in an expanded Security Council," he said.
He said Putin had emphasised the need of retaining the instrument of veto as a means of ensuring the effectiveness of the UN Security Council.
In extending full support to India's candidature, Putin felt that India, as a new member should have the full rights of permanent membership, including the right of veto, the spokesman said.
Putin said if India achieves a permanent seat in the Security Council it could not be a permanent member of second rank, he said.
At a joint press conference with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Putin had on Friday said "speaking of the role of the veto and other existing tools in the UN, we should say that we believe that it would be absolutely unacceptable to erode such tools of the UN because otherwise the U N organisation will lose its weight, lose its role, changing into some discussion club — some new edition of the League of Nations," according to the English version of Putin's remarks given by the Russian translator.
how can u guys forget that after 9/11 india wanted wo whore out its bases to US but got turned down. Though which i admitt is surprising cuz India would have made a good whore
you cant use india to fight muslim extremism since it becomes hindu-muslim issue and it defeats the purpose only muslim state like pakistan
have the legeitmacy to fight extremists idelogy.
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^ No USA used us to create Talibans to defeat USSR.
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"USA used us" is the most buzdil statement I have ever heard. Pakistan was a player and it decided to make sure its neighborhood has any many allies as possible. USA is no God that pushes Pakistan around.
For cryin' out loud, Pakistan is more than half of US population, with 700,000 army. That is more than both France and UK combined. US can't just come in and "use Pakistan".
Iraqis with 20 million, Afghans with 15 million, Egypt with 50 million, or Saudi with 10 million population being tiny places can certainly be "used". But the same thing can't be applied on Pakistan.
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you are a guilty party here since taliban is your creation
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Cmon' rvikz. You are smarter than just throwing one liners. Sure Taliban and other Muj were created by Pakistan. However Bharat, Iran, and Russia turned them into monsters. Read Afghans recent history instead of parroting on commie leftie Bharati or Pakistani scribes.
Pakistan governed by dictators, constitutional monarch or shameless beggar groveling at the feet of Western leaders. Pakistani leaders were always a puppet of US no matter if they were military dictators or democratically elected officials. Tablians defeated USSR not just because they had strong will power or because Pakistan was supporting them morally but because a tremendous amount of military aid given to Taliban from USA through Pakistan. USA has always used Pakistan when they needed us. After they are done with us they throw us away like a dirty piece of rag. Now it’s happening all over again. Our president is there today in Washington DC licking his master’s a*. USA doesn’t give a rats a* about Pakistan. Before calling India a whore of Russia we need to first look at ourselves that we are doing the same for America. Due to Pakistan’s stupid, negligent, incompetent and corrupt Government we were never strong enough to stand on our own feet and always relied on foreign aid. Shame on all leaders and on those of you here who support America’s butt kissing. SHAMELESS BEGGARS!
