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NOthing is being accomplished here..except confusion among the people who know little about islam and pardaah...so i suggest that you guys buy some books some CD-ROMS spend some money rather than relying on others less knowledgables for information..you might end up getting wrong info on critical issues in islam such as hijab and pills and condoms and divorces and i strogly suggest you do the research your self spent some money...do it your self its better that way.

GOOD LUCK!

Jaawan

Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©

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Jaawan,

This is also a form of research. As long as the people providing the information can quote bibliographies. As Tariq asked...where do you get your interpretations, translations etc....?

Just because you have several people offering input does not mean they do not know the correct answer.

IF one really wants to know one can find the answer right here.....within these comments. When one is not satisfied, one will automatically be provoked to make some more effort and find the true path.

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Assalamu Alaikum to all my fellow brother and sisters in Islam. Great debate here. Let me clear out some misconceptions here.

So much emphasis is being put on the issue of hijaab here, If I remember correctly, I sent out an email to sister zaraatif and completely clearifying the issue of Hijaab yet I guess that was not clear enough, or maybe the shaytaan is playing with your mind.

Why are we forgetting the hadith of our beloved Prophet Mohammed (saaw). If you are are not a believer in the hadith, then you cant be a muslim. Look at the hadith and learn from them, beacuse it teaches the practical aspects of the quran.

Lets see, where in the quran does it say how we can pray? Does it have anywhere how many times we should pray, or how we should pray? The answer to that is a BIG NO ! Also, lets see about zakat. Does the Qur'an say how much Zakat is to be given, or when it should be given? No again. Lets look at Hajj, or Siyaam (fasting). Does it say anything about how to make a Hajj, or what times to fast from and when to break fast ? No Again....

So if the pillars of Islam are not mentioned then, you can go & say things about these as well. BUT, BUT, BUT, one thing that the quran says is that whatever Allah (swt) and his Messenger Mohammed (saaw) have told you to do, you should do it. OBEY IT. Next source after quran for believers and also the next source after quran that should be adhered to and obeyed, is the hadith & that contains the teachings & sayings of the Prophet Mohammed (saaw).

And as far as the english or any other translation of the quran is concerned, it cannot be translated into any other language & have its correct meaning or the original meaning would never be the same in any other language. The arabic grammar is the most different from all the languages out there, its very vast and cannot be expected to keep its meaning when translated into another language. Thats why you see all the uleema's have to learn arabic first before they pursue their Islamic education.

Coming back to the issue also, we are NOT & I repeat, we are NOT at all qualified to interpret the Quranic ayaah's because all of them have a reason, meaning & a history behind it. The Quranic ayaah's were revelaed over the period of 23 years. And that means 23 years of history is related behind those verses and therefore for us to interpret it according to our thoughts is not even correct. One reason would be, we dont have the knowledge or even the correct intention/mind. What do I mean by that? I mean, we dont have a pure mind, we have thoughts that are sometimes very un-islamic and also our minds can be very easily convinced by the shaytaans (devils) and therefore out interpretation is not valid according to the above mentioned reasons.

So my request to you all is this. If you have a question, or a mis-understanding, or just want to know something for increasing your knowledge, goto a Sheikh, or an aalim, or a knowledgeable & authentic source, and dont just goto ur average paki mullah cuz they dont always know what they are talking about. So make sure your source is authentic & unbiased.

And if any of you would like more clearification on the issue of Hijaab, then let me know I will email you my entire research on this topic.

Wa'salaam.

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Muzna bibi..this is not a research or form of...this is where people put their own Peronal thoughts..using the sentences like "I think" or"I believe" That kind of information is gained from personal experience not from islamic books...
One can say "I 'THINK' purdah in islam is NOT alowed..where does that person get that information? In islam thinking of a person does not matter...when solution is present in quran and hadith...if you research things your self YOU LEARN MORE AND BETTER!

Jaawan

Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©

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HOMID,

The Quran stipulates modesty from both males & females. There is NOTHING in Quran or Hadiths that indicates that Hejab includes Covering the Face. Your friend Tariq has MISQUOTED the Quran verse 24:31- May he burn in hell!

Based on what I have gathered from your posts in other threads - you totally lack knowledge about Islam & Fiqh and, you attempt to make up for that with bluster and hot air!

Here's the CORRECT ayats and hadiths for both Man & Woman (Let me educate you):

[an-Nur 24:30] Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do.

[al-Ahzab 33:59]"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..."

[an-Nur 24:31] And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.

The interpretations for ayat 24:31 were provided on May 7 to Farhana and Zara; May I suggest - you read it!

The following is a Tradition of the Prophet and, clearly states face should be uncovered:

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)

This next hadith from Bukhari, again has additional interpretations BUILT into it, provided in parethesis, which is NOT the original hadith.

Narrated 'Aisha:
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

The addition which is not the original hadith is in parenthesis or - (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

Based on these items noted above, I unequivocally REJECT the fuqua that Tariq has posted above requiring that faces be covered!

As I have mentioned to you in my other threads - Go educate yourself before mouthing off about things that you do not understand!

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assalam alaikum Abdulmalick

Why are being so defensive???? Tariq only must have written what he has read, you must appreciate the many different interpretations of the Hadith and Quran and not be so impatient with others.

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Designer,

Tariq was ASKED to provide a SOURCE for his Verse by another participant in the other thread - that was several days ago.

Can you provide the SOURCE?

The different interpretations you refer to is known as FIQH which I have talked about here and in other threads.

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MR MALICK,
I have not declared that I know the source nor do I declare that What anyone has said is wrong, Can you not understand the notion of tolerance??????? TOne of the most important notions in Islam. If someone is wrong in your view you should use polite words not arrogant ones.

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MR MALICK,
I have not declared that I know the source nor do I declare that What anyone has said is wrong, Can you not understand the notion of tolerance??????? One of the most important notions in Islam. If someone is wrong in your view you should use polite words not arrogant ones to make them understand, not jump down their throat!!!!!

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Most of the Pakistani's are HARAMI'S, that's why they do it. They do the same thing where ever they go.

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Designer,

I am intrigued with your comments to amalick:
"Can you not understand the notion of tolerance??????? One of the most important notions in Islam"

Do you really believe that Islam is tolerant? Can you provide some examples or discuss aspects of Islamic tolerance - I want to know, please?

Also, could you pls visit my thread:CAN A MUSLIM WOMAN DIVORCE HER HUSBAND? I would be very pleased to hear your views on the topic?

Cheers!

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Logical,

     Islam being tolerant has got nothing to do with Abdulmalicks statements.  What I do know is that Islam teaches respect and understanding and in my personal view tolerance is a great part of this.  Tolerance of other religions, and tolerance of those people who may be muslim but are still seeking the true path of their life.  Just to get back to the original point, We should listen to what others have to say, if they are are literally wrong then with evidence by all means correct them, in a civilised way not as if you are going to start JIHAD on the NET!!!!!!!!!!
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it does get a bit hard to find instances of muslims being tolerant doesnt it.
but that doesn't justify intolerance. 'there is no compulsion in religion' says the Qur'an.
By the way, take it from a veteran niqabi-hijabi-nonhijabi: the ayaat which are quoted on hijab are ambiguous. It is possible to interpret them different ways. This is for one thing because clothing is a largely cultural phenomenon. Assumptions that held for 7th century Arabs cannot be held for 21st century American muslims or pakistani muslims.

Clothing should be modest---for men and for women. It should cover your private parts. By the way, why are we so focused on women's clothing?? what about tight jeans on men?

And by the way, why focus on external aspects of practice anyway? Backbiting is worse than adultery, and slander and ridiculing people are also forbidden in the Qur'an. I don't see no bulletin boards devoted to those.

Let's get rid of our obsession with hijab. And women as objects. How about looking at the hadith which is the first in every collection: "All actions rely on the intentions behind them."