Lagta hay Dogar key baiti khud tu doctor banay gee nahi, baap ko bhi nokri say nikalwa'ye gee.. yehi agr Dogar sahib nay exams kay doran 100 / 50 examiner ko diya hotay tu itna "Siyapa" tu na paRta...
Kanjoos...
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Bhai Logo , Shoorata-i-Phadda , Ansar Abbasi Bisti , Zardari Chor Puna , Ms. Shaheen’s Nakhra and Sher Ali proving Sher of PML(N) 
Friday, November 28, 2008
Govt blocks NA panel’s probe
By Israr Khan
ISLAMABAD: The PPP government on Thursday aggressively blocked the parliamentary probe into the chief justice’s daughter case amid an uproar in the National Assembly committee meeting that witnessed a walkout by the government members, including the minister of state for education. The chairman of the NA Standing Committee on Education, Abid Sher Ali, of the PML-N was not allowed to proceed as the state minister consistently pressed that the inclusion of the CJ’s daughter case in the meeting’s agenda was a violation of the rules. The State Minister, Ghulam Farid Kathia, also strongly objected to the presence of not only media persons covering the event but also that of Ansar Abbasi, Editor Investigations, The News, who was invited by the committee as a special guest to take part in the proceedings.
**The whole proceedings, which included the suspension of the noisy sitting for 15 minutes and followed by walkout of the government members and even the Education Ministry mandarins, turned out to be a joke when the chairperson of the Federal Board for Intermediate and Secondary Education, Ms. Shaheen Khan, refused to brief the committee on the issue despite repeated requests by the committee chairman. **
Every time she was given the floor, she said that she would not utter a word unless allowed by her secretary and the minister, who kept on pressing that the issue could not be included in the agenda of the meeting without his consultation. At her response to the committee, the chairman told her: “You are answerable to the committee and if you do not talk on the issue, then you may leave.”
The angry chairman even once announced to postpone the meeting against what he said the negative attitude of the government side but the members intervened and requested him to continue the meeting. He again asked the FBISE chairperson to tell the committee about the issue but time and again the minister interrupted him and did not let him proceed.
Chairman Abid conducted short census among the eight members of the committee out of whom four said the proceedings on this issue of public interest be maintained. The chairman, while using his discretionary power, resumed the proceedings. State Minister for Education Ghulam Farid Kathia refused to brief the committee, saying it was not on the agenda of the committee’s meeting. However, he was of the view that the issue should be discussed in camera, not in the presence of newsmen. This irritated the chairman who observed that the issue was of immense public interest and must be discussed in the presence of the press.
The committee witnessed some rowdy scenes and exchange of harsh words between Abid Sher Ali and Ghulam Farid Kathia as well as the FBISE Chairperson Shaheen Khan, who also declined to speak without the minister’s permission.
**“You are trying to sabotage this meeting by interrupting me again and again … you may leave,” Ali repeatedly told the state minister for education who argued that the issue of CJ’s daughter could not be discussed, as it was not on the committee’s agenda. **
The situation remained tense, as the government side insisted that the issue be taken up some other day. Kathia was of the view that the committee chairman had not consulted him on the issue and, therefore, he was going against the rules and regulations. However, Abid Sher Ali said he had written letters to all the concerned officials, including the FBISE chairperson, to appear before the committee with all the required record.
He said the issue was of serious nature in which the top government officials were involved in misuse of powers. “But nobody is ready on this issue,” Kathia argued followed by Abid Sher Ali’s remarks: “If you are not ready, then you can leave.” However, the minister refused to do so. The chairman of the committee said: “You are trying to block the committee to proceed in the case of high public importance and defending the corrupt. You and the government are against the voiceless students who are tens of thousands in number.” Abid Sher Ali also said that the minister was defending those who indulged in abuse of power.
On the minister’s signal, four MNAs left the proceedings and staged a walkout. One of the National Assembly’s senior officials told the minister that under such rules, the committee could not discuss the issue.Meanwhile, sources told The News that the meeting of the committee, scheduled to continue on Friday, was postponed by the speaker National Assembly. The sources said it was an attempt to strangulate the voice of truth.
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Why do I have the feeling that govt is covering up for lota justice's daughter? And, where is outrage among those who were accusing previous CJ of using his influence to get his son in medical college?
In Pakistani constitution, if a judge is involved in corruption, nepotism, misuse of office or any wrong doings and allegation is made, than it is duty of President to send reference to Supreme Judicial Council for investigation. SJC is a body that consist of 3 top Supreme Court judges plus 2 top High Court Chief Justices, that investigates judges on Presidential reference. Reference on Iftikhar was sent to SJC for investigation but Pakistani society that loves corruption, nepotism and misuse of office, did not liked the reference, so they made Iftikhar their hero. Person like Atezaz who as Law Minister appointed Murderers as Judges and morally corrupts like Imran joined hand to support Iftikhar. Many corrupt politicians as well as corrupt from civil society who loved nepotism and corruption joined hands too. Corrupt Lawyers and corrupt political workers started Bhangra on road in support.
What they were doing was not supporting innocence of a Judge but they were covering the guilt of a corrupt judge. If Iftikhar was innocent than there should have been no problem and there was no need to worry about, as SJC would have exonerated Iftikhar. In that situation, Iftikhar would have got back as Chief Justice with head high, and that would have been right course. But guilty person and their supporters do not like investigation. That is what happened, as all mayhem Pakistani corrupt supporters of Iftikhar started plus support in judiciary gave a very amazing judgment, and that was to stop SJC from investigation. It is beyond imagination that how judges of SC could stop SJC from investigating a Judge, as judgment of SC means declaration by SC that judges are beyond investigation even when facing allegation of corruption, nepotism, misuse of power, misconduct, or any wrongdoings. Stopping investigation by SJC on Iftikhar reference instead of exonerating Iftikhar made him guilty of all allegations against him by default, as once allegations are made, only unbiased investigation could exonerate a person, while forced stoppage of investigation makes a person guilty without even going through investigation. Well, guilt of Iftikhar is obvious when we see the content of reference, as they are so straightforward that government intelligence could not have sent such allegation for investigation. Well, if allegations were wrong than CJ and his supporters would not have started bhangra on road, rather would have got happy if they were investigation, but all those bhangra and bringing the case on road, than getting the investigation stopped by SC shows guilt. If Iftikhar was innocent than he himself should have demanded investigation to get exonerated from all allegations. Here is content of the reference on Iftikhar … and once we go through it than think that SC condoned everything in that reference as they stopped investigation of Iftikhar, we could understand why judiciary could never come out of corruption:
Iftikhar case was ideal as reference had content of nepotism done 10 years ago, that means, a message that if wrong is done, it could come back to haunt a judge even 10 years later. If reference against Iftikhar would have got investigated and his case would have gone through proper course, than it would have changed the attitude of Judiciary forever. When such precedent would have got made that even if CJ is alleged of nepotism, corruption or any misdeeds than he could get investigated and could get punished if found guilty, than very few judges would have dared to do nepotism, corruption, misuse of office, or anything wrong. Now, when Pakistanis love to make a Judge ‘Hero’ if he gets alleged of nepotism, corruption, misuse of office, and many other wrongdoings, than why some people are crying if present CJ Dogar is alleged of misusing his office for nepotism?
I think that a country where nepotism and financial corruption while in public office is considered as right and condonable by educated, than we should not feel sorry for such country when se see corrupts and thugs rule the country and hold top public posts in every sector of society, including judiciary.
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I think that a country where nepotism and financial corruption while in public office is considered as right and condonable by educated, than we should not feel sorry for such country when se see corrupts and thugs rule the country and hold top public posts in every sector of society, including judiciary.
So do you think Dogar should fire from his job? Yes or no answer will do.
So do you think Dogar should fire from his job? Yes or no answer will do.
Personally, I believe that reference should be sent against Dogar to SJC. While SJC investigates the matter, Dogar should have limited authority (or could even get suspended), and if SJC would find him guilty, he should get sacked.
I would also like SC to give detail judgment of their previous short judgment in Iftikhar reference case and should give reasons why they stopped SJC from investigating, something they had no moral right to do. All judges who gave judgment stopping reference should get sacked (if they are still holding post of a judge), as it is best for Pakistan to get rid of such corrupt judges who act beyond their legal limits, such that they even stop investigation. Stopping investigation against judge by other judges shows self-preservation from getting investigated if they (judges) do corruption, and is corruption itself.
Plus, I would like Iftikhar to get reinstated as Judge with suspended status, and unbiased investigation on reference against Iftikhar should get started by SJC (investigation on reference could not get started if Iftikhar is not reinstated as judge). If Iftikhar is found guilty of content in reference (some or all), he should get sacked humiliatingly and should be put into prison for making so much mayhem on road and bringing his case in public.
I would also like all Lawyers behind Iftikhar and those who did Bhangra on road for Iftikhar, to get jailed for causing harm and loss to Pakistani economy, and causing law and order problems in Pakistan.
I would also like to see investigation on finances behind Iftikhar's Lawyers doing Bhangra on road, and if any politicians are found financing the mayhem, he/she should be put in prison for at least 10 years, plus he should get barred from ever taking part in politics.
I also believe that any Journalists if accuse a person in public office, that journalist should make sure to have proofs, as law should be there that could ask the journalist to justify his accusations in front of court with some sort of proofs, and if a journalist is found accusing someone of wrongs intentionally than it should become duty of government and all media to exonerate the person wrongly accused until perception of his wrongs are cleared, further, journalist who spread rumours and lies should be sent to prison for at least 5 years and it should be made legal binding on that journalist that he never publishes anything or be part of journalism (if he is found of getting involved in journalism again, than he goes to prison for a year on contempt of court charges). There should be no excuse for a Journalist that they publish wrong figures or news that could cause harm to others.
^ haha sab kuch iftikhar aur journalists ke khilaaf karna chahiyeh, Dogar ko hath bhi na lagao
Personally, I believe that reference should be sent against Dogar to SJC. While SJC investigates the matter, Dogar should have limited authority (or could even get suspended), and if SJC would find him guilty, he should get sacked.
I would also like SC to give detail judgment of their previous short judgment in Iftikhar reference case and should give reasons why they stopped SJC from investigating, something they had no moral right to do. All judges who gave judgment stopping reference should get sacked (if they are still holding post of a judge), as it is best for Pakistan to get rid of such corrupt judges who act beyond their legal limits, such that they even stop investigation. Stopping investigation against judge by other judges shows self-preservation from getting investigated if they (judges) do corruption, and is corruption itself.
Sa1eem bhaijan. I totally agree. A fair and balanced reply.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
Both Dogar and Iftikhar should be sent to the dustbins of history where they belong.
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar's Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
^ Becareful, Zardari and Altaf Bhai are backing the Dogar man.
I also believe that any Journalists if accuse a person in public office, that journalist should make sure to have proofs, as law should be there that could ask the journalist to justify his accusations in front of court with some sort of proofs, and if a journalist is found accusing someone of wrongs intentionally than it should become duty of government and all media to exonerate the person wrongly accused until perception of his wrongs are cleared, further, journalist who spread rumours and lies should be sent to prison for at least 5 years and it should be made legal binding on that journalist that he never publishes anything or be part of journalism (if he is found of getting involved in journalism again, than he goes to prison for a year on contempt of court charges). There should be no excuse for a Journalist that they publish wrong figures or news that could cause harm to others.
Can the falsely-accused person not file a case against the false accusation/defamation?
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar’s Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
NA speaker intervenes to thwart Ms Dogar’s case
NA speaker intervenes to thwart Ms Dogar’s case
Saturday, November 29, 2008
By Muhammad Ahmad Noorani
ISLAMABAD: National Assembly Speaker Dr Fehmida Mirza on Friday intervened in the FSc marks saga of Chief Justice Dogar’s daughter by illegally cancelling a meeting of the NA standing committee, which was to be held on Friday.
The National Assembly Secretariat formally wrote to the committee that its ongoing meeting to probe the issue of awarding illegal marks to the daughter of the chief justice had been cancelled.
But, according to the rules of the National Assembly, the standing committee meetings are called and prorogued only by chairmen of committee and that the speaker could neither intervene in the proceedings of any meeting nor cancel or postpone any ongoing meeting.
National Assembly Standing Committee on Education’s chairman Abid Sher Ali told The News on Friday that he had received a letter from the National Assembly Secretariat that the ongoing meeting of the committee had been cancelled.
He said it was a blatant violation of the rules and showed how the government had illegally intervened in the proceedings to save the skin of Chief Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar. He said the speaker had no authority to intervene in the proceedings of the standing committee.
Abid said the Education Ministry was properly intimated before the meeting of the committee was summoned and minister of state for education and chairperson Federal Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education participated in Thursday’s meeting after receiving letters from the Standing Committee on Education.
National Assembly spokesman Tariq Khan, when approached by The News, said according to his information, the meeting of any standing committee of the National Assembly could only be summoned and prorogued by the chairman of the said committee and that the National Assembly Secretariat could not intervene.
He said during his tenure he had never witnessed that a meeting of the committee was cancelled by the National Assembly Secretariat. Senior constitutional expert Senator SM Zafar told The News that according to the rules, there are three things: a) meetings of the committee are postponed, cancelled or adjourned by chairman of the committee; b) issuance of notice to the ministry concerned is necessary; c) only committee chairman has residuary powers to cancel the ongoing meeting of the standing committee in special circumstances. He said no other authority could intervene in the proceedings of a committee.
Abid Sher Ali said that the government, which claimed of bringing the supremacy of parliament, in fact wanted to damage the parliamentary system. He said he had again moved a requisition for a fresh meeting of the Standing Committee on Education on Dec 3 and Dec 4, in which he had clearly mentioned that the issue of illegal increase in marks by the FBISE of Farah Hameed Dogar, the daughter of the top judge of the country, will be on the top of the agenda.
He said the National Assembly speaker had wrongly intervened in the proceedings of the committee, which was a clear constitutional violation. Abid Sher Ali said if the government or the speaker again intervened in the proceedings of the committee or attempted to stop the meeting called on Dec 3, he will resign from the chairmanship of the committee and will give his resignation to his party. He said it was simply a humiliation of his status as member of the National Assembly and chairman of the committee.
Farzana Mushtaq Ghani, member of the committee and PML-Q MNA, told The News that the minister of state for education and the FBISE chairperson were bound to reply to the questions of the committee and its chairman and that by not doing so, they had violated the rules.
Begum Nuzhat Sadiq, member of the committee, said the committee was fully empowered to order the ministry and the FBISE to reverse a wrong act when established during the proceedings of the committee.
Same as was in the cas eof CJ Iftikhar it is the personalities w r after than the system and institutions that r suffring..
Why the hell are there any seats for any Justice in professional colleges!!! No one has spoken about abolishing those injustice seats.. there is 200 marks difference in between the merit and thesed previledge seats.. the TV channels and black mailing journalists are after only this case as it involves CJ Dogar otherwise no one would had cared!
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Democrarcy Zindabad !
People should not worry. I am sure Great Zardari, the President of Pakistan, will replace Chief Justice Dogar if he has been found to have done something wrong. Unless people are saying that Pakistan's elected President and the government is not democratic, and is not following the constitution?
Re: Puppet CJ Dogar’s Daughter gets illegal marks in FSc. (Merged)
Another student cries foul over Farah admission
Saturday, November 29, 2008
By Usman Manzoor
ISLAMABAD: As the controversy touched off by extra marks awarded to the chief justice’s daughter rages on, another student has come up with the claim that he has been refused admission to the Riphah International University on reserved quota.
Muhammad Haris Hassan, son of former assistant registrar of Supreme Court Chaudhry Abdul Razzaq, was allegedly denied MMBS admission, as the Al-Meezan Foundation recommended Farah Hameed Dogar for the seat reserved for children of the judicial staff.
According to an application, whose copy was made available to The News on Friday, Razzaq asked the Supreme Court registrar to recommend his son through the Al-Meezan Foundation for admission on the quota reserved for children of judicial employees.
In his application dated October 18, 2008, the retired assistant registrar wrote that his son Haris Hassan had secured 731 marks in the FSc (pre-medical) examination. He requested the apex court to propose the name of his son for admission on the reserved seat.
Speaking to this scribe, Razzaq complained the Al-Meezan Foundation had no transparent system of recommending students for admissions. The foundation’s secretary reportedly told him a candidate with 912 marks from Sindh had applied for the admission.
“Later, I came to learn from the press reports that the chief justice’s daughter, securing 661 marks, has been admitted to the Riphah International University,” he said, adding: “The secretary was solely responsible for administrative functions of the Al-Meezan Foundation, which lacks transparency and regard for merit.”
His son had every right to admission on the reserved seat because he had obtained higher marks than Farah Hameed Dogar, reiterated Chaudhry Razzaq, who underlined the need for adherence to merit.
A day earlier, the daughter of an Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) High Court judge charged she had been deprived of admission to the university despite the fact she had got higher marks than Farah Dogar.
She accused the Al-Meezan Foundation, a trust working for the welfare of judges and which has reserved a quota in the university for children of judges, of giving the daughter of the chief justice priority over her competitors.
Misbah Mustafa Mughal, daughter of Justice Ghulam Mustafa Mughal, said she had obtained 787 marks in the intermediate examination and 74 per cent in the entry test, in which the chief justice’s daughter was awarded 61 per cent marks.
However, Misbah Mughal was told by the foundation that she was on the second number while there was only one reserved seat for the children of judicial News repeatedly tried to contact Talat Faruq, Al-Meezan Trust secretary, but he has been unavailable for the last three days. Several messages were passed on to him, but none was answered.
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Off the Record - 25 November 2008 | Pakistan Politics
Off the Record with Kashif Abbasi. Program was on Dogar’s daughter but Immi Bhai and Ehsan Iqbal (and to some extent Kashif Abbasi) twice tried to avoid the question/comment from Qamaruz Zaman Qaira when he asked Imran/Ehsan to condemn Ch Iftekhar on the basis of same allegation for which they are condemning Dogar. Imran and Ehsan has no answer to that (they were mum). In last minute of the program Imran was just laughing and said
“ager Dogar stand lai lai tu hum uss ko bhee maaf ker dain gaay”
So basically Immi bhai nai ch iftekhar ko “maaf ker deya hai”. O bhai aap kaun hotey hain maaf kerney waley?
Stupid politicians, Hazarat Muhammad (SAW) ke example daitey hain k how he said that ager Fatima (Rz) hotee tu uss k bhee hath kaatney ka hukum daita. How easily they forget that SAME allegations by SAME reporter were put on Iftekhar Chaudhry too but they dont talk about that…
btw, ager kisi kee yaad dasht kamzoor hai tu let me remind k Ansaar Abbasi wrote almost the same investigated report about Ch Iftekhar how his son was favored in CSS exam and then in job of Police department.
personally I think either Dogar should take somoto action of case should be sent to SJC. Dogar should not try to suppress the sanity system like Ch Iftekhar did and Ch Iftekhar supporters (specially Immi Bhai) should keep the mouth shut or speak agasint both Dogar and Ifti. They both have exactly the same portfolio including the corruption scandles
So can we get some proof here and links to these articles? Otherwise we can just treat it as a figment of your imagination.