Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
IDPs have been coming to karachi for YEARS now since the start of the taliban fitna.
No-one? This is an article on ANP compiling a list of 4000 families registered in Karachi.
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I did not deny it at all. You are free to make any opinion about me, bismillah. Again, my criticism is with respect to your statement.
Like you said, it is impossible to stop them. You are likening them to the millions of mexicans who go across the border to America. Yes its impossible to stop them. The government should not give the impression that these are illegal aliens who get through despite the government saying they wont permit their entry.
I made my feelings about that clear in the thread on that topic.
How so? I dont think you can elaborate 
Once again, if you didnt think the refugees would go there, why make the thread on them not being allowed? Thats hardly a point.
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How so? I dont think you can elaborate :)
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You said the largest inhabitation of pakthuns in PAkistan in Karachi (which is factually incorrect to begin with) helps the people of Swat, without realizing that these are two diff sets we are talking about.
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Once again, if you didnt think the refugees would go there, why make the thread on them not being allowed? Thats hardly a point.
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Because I wanted to show you how sincere beloved MQM was as far as this 'aaaaperation' is concerned, and what their true intentions were. They werent interested in the well being of the people of Swat. Ab tu samajh ajani chahiyeh, thats exactly what happened, they are now working to take out the IDPs.
You said the largest inhabitation of pakthuns in PAkistan in Karachi (which is factually incorrect to begin with) helps the people of Swat, without realizing that these are two diff sets we are talking about.
a) I said largest or second largest.
b) Just because a majority of pashtuns may come from other parts of NWFP doesnt mean jack. Swat is a well settled area, and has good access links to other parts of the province. Chances are even if they're from different parts of the province, they have significant links with each other.
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Because I wanted to show you how sincere beloved MQM was as far as this 'aaaaperation' is concerned, and what their true intentions were. They werent interested in the well being of the people of Swat. Ab tu samajh ajani chahiyeh, thats exactly what happened, they are now working to take out the IDPs.
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Doesnt make sense. MQM has no incentive to get bad press if the number of Pashtuns wasnt sizable enough to impact local dynamics.
But you said those Swatis have relatives in Karachi, who you said are the pakhtuns living there? 
Oh bhai, its simple, they dont have relatives there, nor do they have homes or the means to get there. Bacherey truckoon ke neechey latak kar Swat sey 100Km ka safar kiya, and you think they’ll somehow magically all reappear in KAachi.
Pashtuns? Be it PAshtuns, Swatis, Baluchis, they dont want anyone to enter their city, quite simple.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
MQM wants registration of IDPs and is not saying that no IDPs should come to Sindh or camps should not be setup, unlike Punjab nawazists.
Sattar calls for registration of IDPs
Sattar calls for registration of IDPs
Updated at: 1915 PST, Friday, May 22, 2009
KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Dr. Farooq Sattar has called upon the president, the prime minister, the interior minister and other high ups that the registration of the internally displaced persons (IDPs) entering Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan should be made mandatory.
Speaking to newsmen after attending the joint meeting of the MQM’s Coordination Committee here, Dr. Sattar said that movement of the IDPs should be restricted to relief camps so that Taliban could not sneak into cities in the cover of the affected people.
He demanded that the government should take measures to stop the growing activities of Taliban in Karachi.
He also called for strict action against drug and land mafias for supporting Taliban.
What is this:
Nisar Panwhar, an** MPA belonging to MQM** said that the people of Sindh have sympathies with the affected persons and would also extend assistance to them but would not allow them to settle here. A JSQM leader Asif Baladi, MQM’s Shabir Qaimkhani and others also addressed on the occasion.
The red one.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
"Settle here" meaning permanent residence. Not IDP camps. Sindhis, obviously, as you can tell from the name Panwhar have concerns about more migration that turns them into a minority.
What kind of information do you have to suggest that people from Swat wouldnt have friends and family based in other parts of the province?
FYI most pashtun villages do have quite an extensive diaspora. You are clearly not very knowledgable in suggesting that Swaties are an insular people isolated from the rest of the country with no family ties outside.
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I know enough Buneris and Swatis in Karachi to know that spock knows zero about karachi. After the taliban took over bajaur and even before the operation before, I cam across a number of bajauris who had come to karachi and had started local businesses.
One person I met who I talked to was from bajaur and he said he had fled from taliban as he was part of anti taliban lashkar and had been driven out. Poor guy was selling fruits out of a stand, where in bajaur he was a member of local jirga.
What kind of information do you have to suggest that people from Swat wouldnt have friends and family based in other parts of the province?
And what kind of info do you have to prove they do? I mean you seem to think the pakhtuns in Karachi are related to the Swatis??
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FYI most pashtun villages do have quite an extensive diaspora. You are clearly not very knowledgable in suggesting that Swaties are an insular people isolated from the rest of the country with no family ties outside.
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lol not everyones related to each other just because they are 'pashtun', and btw, we're talking pakhtuns here. Also, how do you expect hundreds of thousands of poor people to journey thousands of KMs? Bare foot?
I know enough Buneris and Swatis in Karachi to know that spock knows zero about karachi. After the taliban took over bajaur and even before the operation before, I cam across a number of bajauris who had come to karachi and had started local businesses.
One person I met who I talked to was from bajaur and he said he had fled from taliban as he was part of anti taliban lashkar and had been driven out. Poor guy was selling fruits out of a stand, where in bajaur he was a member of local jirga.
Yes, and they had a UK aloo shop right behind bhai's house too. Lets leave the personal anecdotes aside, just because you came across a swati doesnt mean everyone he's the chachey da puttar of an entire district in Swat.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
p.s. ravage, did you read what Rabbani said today about the numbers in Sindh? Whose payroll is he on, considering hes in the PPP.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
Wow, you are just being obtuse now. There are pushtuns in karacfhi with connections to swat and buner just like other places in nwfp. Those who have these connections came to karachi. This does not include the entire population of buner or swat, but a significant chunk.
In fact majority of IDPs are not living in camps, but relatives houses either in the nwfp or in karachi.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
^ And how many are they to begin with, raza rabbani a govt offical said the numbers are being exaggerated deliberately.
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
4000 isnt a very high number at all Spock. So both ANP and Rabbani can be correct at the same time.
regarding your remaining post, please read Khehkeshan's post. Also anyone familiar with rural pashtuns will know that most villages have a well connected diaspora. Their social cohesion and network is admirable, and no doubt very useful right now.
4000 isnt a very high number at all Spock. So both ANP and Rabbani can be correct at the same time.
regarding your remaining post, please read Khehkeshan's post. Also anyone familiar with rural pashtuns will know that most villages have a well connected diaspora. Their social cohesion and network is admirable, and no doubt very useful right now.
Im sorry but Im talking about hundreds of thousands of people, a few hundreds or thousands might have close relatives so the rest have no reason to teleport thousands of KMs away even if they could.
Rabbani was saying how even that 4K number of yours is exaggerated. He has no reason to lie, considering hes in the PPP to begin with.
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^ so ANP is lying? Why? And did Rabbani reference that 4K number?
Re: Punjab not to allow IDP camps
^ When did ANP become the ministers of truth? in case you believe i think highly of They are actually worse than the MMA. Rabbani said the number they put up is small and is exaggerated (hes obviously pointing to the Govt's 4000 number that you posted).