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What Churchil said to Mountbatten about the plan of “granting” freedom to Hindustan…please read “Freedom at Midnight”.
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Once a Pakistani nation is born…all other nationalities are of and should have secondary importance.
Pakistan is made based on muslim hindu (religeous) differences and not on east/west/punjabi/non-punjabi differences.
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Did punjab majority army under brits fight against Khilafat? True or rumor?
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Punjabi and Muhajir academics followed precisely the line you are towing and it resulted in a disaster for Punjab and Pakistan.
Supressing ethnicity in the name of religion or country never worked in the past and it will never work in future as well. There was no need to impose Urdu the language of a small minnority on the rest of Pakistan.
Religious persecution of UP and Bihari Muslim made them fear Hindus. Punjab, Bangal, and Sindh on the other hand have been Muslim majority states so the fear of Hindu was practically non-existant. So it was easy for Punjabi and Bangali Muslims to forge alliances with non-Muslims in their states.
Sardar Baldev Singh of Federal cabinet, and Sikh elders like Giyani Kartar Singh, and Sardar Diyal Singh always had respect for Jinnah and other Muslims.
Unfortunately the MAToos like Ata ullaah Bukhari types never realized importance of keeping minorities in Punjab happy. The result was the 1947 holocaust in Punjab and the festering wound of Kashmir.
Had the MaToos and central Indian Muslim respected Punjab minorities, we would have been much better off.
Even now bunch of MAToos are stirring up trouble regarding Shahid ganj in Lahore these days.
Damn MAToos.
p.s. Punjabis and even Urdu speaking should never try to suppress other ethnic groups. Never ever, even in the name of Allah.
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first of all it shows your one sided mind when keep referring to word 'MAToos' in EVERY POST which is not a standard word by any stretch.
can you think beyond this 'word'? Let it go...... my dear...just let it go...it did no harm to you.
Do you see MAToos written all over your house, bathroom, in your dreams,on your shirt, on your bread etc? Do you see MAToos written when you close your eyes?
Do you have someone putting gun to your head forcing to type this 'great' and 'lovely' word in almost every post you type?
OK, type this word a thousad times and get it over..a great 'Nuskha' for you.
Now coming to other point.
Urdu is like a stitch to a piece of cloth with lots of holes.
Urdu brought closeness, harmony and a media to communicate between many different languages and dilects which were to be included in Pakistan.
In this regard we must be thankful for Great Quaid-e-Azam for his decision of making Urdu as National language. This did not mean imposing the language on any one nation or group of people. Urdu has great versatality, sweetness and flexibility which is not found in any other language of Pakistan. Bitter truth for some.
I love all people and languages of Pakistan as they belong to me and my identity one way or other.
Coming to national spirit and what you mentioned in your post..sad but true that thise who really gave a crap about Pakistan and struggled and lost many lives were not from existing areas of Pakistan. Thanks for pointing this very fact out to us.
People woke up in current day Pakistan and found that NOW they are PAKISTANIS. Many accepted this fact...some did not.
Even though many of them actually voted for Pakistan..and thats all they did based on religeon.
In essence, Islam was the reason for making Pakistan.
Sorry for those who want nationalism/secularism to be greater than islamic ideology behind Pakistan.
Its not true that only few people 'fear' hindus. They were rightly concerned about the future while living under hindus who were given much more power and jobs in the govt. by britons that a greater and longer muslim persecution would follow the departure of brits.
What was wrong in this pictuture was, to stop people migrating from India at certain point.
Pakistan ideology is not based on nationalism or ethnism my dear. Get over it.
If not then declare you are not Pakistani and either shut up or leave.
I personaly have no problem saluting to Punjabis for not accepting 'sansikrit' type or hand writing and instead taking up persian way of writing punjabi language as a symbol of muslim culture. Don't discard the good intention.
If it was not Pakistan or its makers.....many muslims in current day Pakistan including those who did not migrate would be polishing a hindu shoe like many in India now. just see how majority of muslims are living in India and what kind of things they have to do in order to conform to hindu mentality.
I guess you have seen photos of muslims wearing british flag on their head for July 7th event..in a prayer. They were never seen wearing flags of any other country before. Thats a kiss @ss work they must do. But Pakistanis don't have to.
So admit, Pakistan gave an identity to those who never even dreamed of being free.
Not everything is rosey but lot better if Pakistan was not made.
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What the heck are you saying deedee.
Punjabi Muslims suffered the biggest loss of life and property in 1947. This was all thanks to Punjabi MAToos joining hands with hindustanis. No one can question Punjabi sacrifices for Pakistan.
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Did you see word MAtoos again?
Look for telephone directory for a psychologist/psychiatrist. A good one. Don't be cheap. Its your mental health on the line. Tell him/her you have an uncontrollable urge to type a word 'Matoos'.
the psychiatrist will get you in right away. he/she may not charge you anything for this interesting weird case. Who know the psychiatrist may become famous treating you and publishing it. :-)
yes East Punjabis lost their lives and property but only those who migrated not the 'biggest' loss as you mentioned..
Besides, they were greatly welcomed by west punjabis and did not have to be called Muhajirs or be included in 2% qouta system.
Anyway I have no intention of going off track here.
It is interesting to note that you had very little to disagree with my long post. Thanks.
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^^haha. Your MATooic reaction will soon take you to mental hospital.
Punjabis suffered millions of deaths in 1947 more than any other ethnic group. Anyone questoioning that fact needs to get his head examined.
The destruction was total and complete. Not a single Punjabi survived on the Easter side of the border. Whereas other ethnic groups still have their relatives in Bharati land.
Urdu speaking were also "greatly welcomed" by Punjabis and Sindhis. Khanewal, Hyderabad, and Karachi lands were alloted mostly to Urdu Speaking. They were not kind to their hosts especially Sindhis. They wouldn't even rent a house in Karachi to a non-Urdu speaking. Karachi Universtiy had an implicit ban on Sindhi admissions until 1984.
And Oh the 2% quota was instituted by the biggest Mohajir supporter Liaqat Ali Khan.
Oh the sacrifices, Oh the sarkari nokries reserved only for Urdu speaking. 2% for Karachi and Hyderabad, and 17% for those urdu speaking who were still in Bharat. wow. This is called spcial immigration act only to support one ethnic group.
Then we hear that they did most of the sacrifices. Wow. This is called a true spin doctoring.
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The irony of this is that you live your life ruled by pale unwashed arse Brits. Some things never change…
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You have seen many muslim paki punjabis displaying Ranjit Singh pictures on their living rooms???
. I know i have read some extremely narrow minded and retarded posts by you and your hatered for Punjabis(and pakistanis in general) is apparent. I mean would you believe me if i say that i have seen pictures of Nehru and Bal Thackrey in many Pashtun’s living rooms???
I have probably visited hundreds of Punjabi living rooms so far and yet to see any SINGH’s photo let alone Rajit or Rajit guy you mentioned above.
Who takes such people seriously???
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keep typing the word MAtoos but you must call a shrink.
‘Sarkari nokris’ were not reserved..
its just that they were not even heard of and could not even be held by ‘ujad’, illiterate’ people from villages and goths of Punjab or Sind.
Most rural punjabis ir sindhis did nit even know how to write their names.
Educated Muhajirs were the only qulified and intelligent who could run the country at that time. Sorry, if your forefathers or father did not take part in the govt. of Pakistan machinary in early days. You must still thank north indian muslim migrants for jump starting the country.
Tell us why no east Punjabi in Pakistan comes out and say that he/she is east Punjabi migrant or he/she has any discrimination?
Reason is that it does not even exist.
Sindhis are brothers to muhajirs and had been welcomed anytime in Karachi institutions. Look into Sind medical College admission criteria even by early 1970’s. On the other hand hyderabad and Karachi are not part of Punjab as your post may suggest.
Migrants/Muhajirs were told…“Keep going…its not Pakistan yet” till they reach ocean city of Karachi.
There is no majority of muhajirs in Khanewal my ignorant bro.
Its very sad that anyone suffered from making Pakistan including east punjabis but do not try to twist the fact…millions died when they moved from north india to Pakistan. I feel for even a single life lost in the hand of Hindians.
(BTW originally dehli etc was supposed to be part of Pakistan)
please post proof for 2% started by liaqat Ali Khan (killed by a Punjabi in Punjab)
Anyhow those who really lost everything for this evil 2% quota..are mohajirs.
Its the fighting spirit and intellectualism and sensibility of muhajirs which kept them and fellow Pakistanis ‘above water’ in Pakistan… otherwise, feudal system-driven, non-muhajirs would have drowned the whole country in to Arabian sea in few years.
Those who got unnecessary and injust benefit are Punjabis directly or …indirectly by the army.
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Ranjit Singh was a pile of horse $hit… cant say much more about the guy who wrote that post…
I have never in my life met a single Pakistani Punjabi with a picture of Ranjit Singh in there living room. This comment is made from pure hatred and shows the bigotted regressive mentality that keeps muslims pathetically subservient to the rest of the world.
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AntiBol, it is correct that hundreds of thousands of people were killed during partition but that was a spontaneous and un-anticipated happening-a consequence of division or sort of collateral damamge- just like a lot of Swiss were killed during WW II although they were not a faction in the war.
Freedom struggle, on the other hand, is the conscious, voluntary choice of people where they choose to give any sacrifice for a cause just like the Great Mahmudul Hassan (Reshmi Romal Tahrik) or Mullah Powinda did.
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I would naturally support any Pathan Muslim fighter against any Sikh Punjabi fighters (let it be Ranjit, Manjit or jagjit singh) even though i m a Punjabi but these bigots will let down a Punjabi muslim and fully support even sikh Punjabis who have nothing but hatred for Muslims in general. No wonder most muslims are in deep **** around the world. Iran has just learned their lessons that their Indian support was always for political reasons more than anything.
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- Yours and other Mohajir’s view of Punjabis and Sindhis as “Ujad and Jahil” is shameful, racist, and most bigoted statement. You won’t realize this because this is the type of “intellect” fed to your ilk on the dining table every day. You hold these racial views and then cry of discrimination!
- Read baboo read! Liaqat ali khan was the first to institute quota system in Pakistan. Poor fella was trying to build his urdu speaking political base in Karachi by kicking out Punjabis and Sindhis from the very capital of Pakistan.
- His ultimate crime was to kick out Punjabis from CID, Karachi police, and even military big wigs. Read how he imported Kazim Raza and Hashim raza from UP and put them as in charge of important posts.
- This is precisely why you guys never learned your host’s languages like Sindhi, Pushto, or Punjabi. Why? Because Lukhnow’s Umrao Jaan Adaa culture was superior to the “ujad and jahil” culture of Punjab and Sindh.
- Pick up newspaper and other records of 1947. You’ll see only Punjab, and Delhi suffered from mass killings. While Delhi saw few thousand murders at the most, millions lost their lives in Punjab. As I said the ethnic cleansing was total. Today, you cannot find a single Muslim in East Punjab. Whereas Delhi, UP, and Bihar are teaming with Urdu speaking Muslims.
- Punjabi Muslims dominated British Indian army, so you will see them in majority numbers. However “fighting spirit” of paan masalah never made them the top candidates in the army, not even in pre-1947 era.
- Get out of this “Punjabi and Sindhi Ujad and Jahil” syndrome. Otherwise you will invite more discrimination. Be gracious to your hosts! Will Ya?
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Where did he say that all Punjabis and Sindhis were like that? He made it clear that he was referring to the uneducated ones in rural villages.
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I’m accusing of you of lying through your teeth when you claim that you cannot find a single Muslim in East Punjab.
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Punjab claims that 3% of Indian Punjab is Christian and Muslim.
http://www.answers.com/topic/chandigarh claims that 4% of Chandigarh, the capital of Indian Punjab, is Muslim.
Can you either provide your own sources to refute these two websites claims, or admit that you lied? In case you lied, could you also be so kind as to let us know which of the other stuff you’ve said is a lie?
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Oh Baboo! Deedee knew very well when blabbering about Punjabis and Sindhis as ujad and Jahil. quit spin doctoring on his behalf.
East Punjab was ethnically cleansed in 1947. Major cities like Amritsar, Jalundhar, and Ludhiana towns and rural areas had majority Muslim farmers who owned land and businesses.
None of that stuff is left. Few bihari laborers in E. Punjab these days cannot hide the ethnic cleansing brought upon Muslim Punjabis. 3% or 4% considering +- 3% statistical errors essentially makes it 0%. Read a bit about statistics before frothing on the net.
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Ummm… Liaquat Ali Khan was as Punjabi as they come. His family was from Punjab and he himself was born there. The part of Punjab he was from was given to India and then split off into the new Haryana state.
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antiobl, Liaqat Ali Khan was a Rajput zat Punjabi from East Punjab (Haryana today), not your traditional “Mohajir” at all i.e. from UP, Hyderabad etc. I believe that Liaqat also traced his lineage back to Persia. 
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^^ Read baboo read!
Liaqat Ali Khan was a feudal lord from Karnal. His brother Sikandar was another feudal lord in unionist party.
The problem is not with Liaqat Ali's ethnicity. His political shenanigans are the ones that need analysis. For example:
- why the heck he left Jinnah and formed his own one-man agriculturist party? Then he begged Jinnah and got back in ML.
- Why the heck he put in place a quota system guaranteeing 17% posts to Urdu speaking people who were still in bharat well after August 1947 and riots had subsided.
The answer is simple. He was a political shyster who craved for power even at the cost of his country. He had no political base in the newly formed Pakistan so he set out inventing one.
He is the one who brought Islam in Federal government essentially nullifying Jinnah's promise to Pakistani minorities and pushing Pakistan into the hands of MAToos like Maw-doodi.
He is the one who used / abused urdu speaking people for his nefarious political goals. He would have continued on with his divisive politics but he made a bad move by pushing army around as well. That pretty much resulted in his assassination and ended his short political career in Pakistan.