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My problem isnt with Islam, its with Muslims who practice it... Lets leave the relgious disscusions for the Religioun forum
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truly i am disgusted. Perhaps you should join the Zionist Crusader alliance in Iraq? since you have a problem with Muslims who practise their deen?
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No, Islam is fine, its the practitioners who are screwed up.. Hve to make a distinction between the religion and the followers of that relgion.. I dont like the way these people practice their deen... To intolerant, its an insult to Islam the way Muslims behave these days really...
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yes. why not? when George Bush makes distinction? why not you, our kAMAL ataturk of Pakistan? one day it will be haraam for people like you to set foot in pakistan. ye wadah hai ham pakistani-ghaziyon ka.
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LOL... Ok if you say so...
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not only me say so. but all the Musalmaans of Pakistan.
Pakistan aik Musalmaan Mulq hai. Yahan kya chalega? Nizam-e-Mustafa!
Pakistan aik Musalmaan Mulq hai. Yahan kya chalega? Nizam-e-Mustafa!
Pakistan aik Musalmaan Mulq hai. Yahan kya chalega? Nizam-e-Mustafa!
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Buland-stick to the topic. Don't try to make every thing into a religious discussion.
Don't forget Pakistan best friend is China: Kaffir!!?
Pakistan gets aid from USA: Kaffir!!?
People like will take Pakistan to the past. Religion is important, but you sound fanatical.
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Jagh Punjab jagh! :p
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Good boy! you got the fundamentals, now read on further:
http://www.khyber.org/culture/pashtoonwalai/jirga.shtml
http://www.khyber.org/culture/jirga/jirgas.shtml
**Jirga **
Jirga is an assembly of tribal elders called for various purposeswhether waging war or composing peace, tribal or inter-tribal.
**“A mass meeting of the elders of the whole of the Afridi tribe, for instance, would correspond very much to the old `Shiremote’ of the Saxon heptarchy; and, indeed, there is more in the simile than one would expect at first glance, for the democratic spirit that is so characteristic a feature in the gradual growth of English customs finds its counterpart in the spirit of liberty and right of free action that is one of the most cherished prerogatives of the Pathan tribesmen, be he ever so humble”. **
(The Hon. Arnold Kepple)
Democracy is not alien to the genius of the Pukhtoons, as they are carrying on their typical and rudimentary form of government on democratic principles since times immemorial. A unique feature of tribal life is the Jirga system, a council or assembly of tribal elders, which closely resembles the Athenian democracy of the City States of ancient Greece. The Pukhtoons practiced this participatory sort of democracy long before Locke, Rousseau and other eminent philosophers expounded their theories about democracy.
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Malakand, I still dont think that Jirga system etc is very democratic.. Granted it is a rudimentry form of democracy, but its far from representative... Who for example are these elders and who voted them into position of authority?
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I think you should read the link again. Also, you should take back what you said about Pashtuns not ready for democracy. We have this system since the time immemorial and when your masters in west didn’t even know about democracy.
http://www.khyber.org/culture/jirga/jirgas.shtml
The Jirga represents the essence of democracy in operation under which every individual has a direct say in shaping the course of things around him. Practiced this way, democracy operates as a spiritual and moral force instead of becoming an automation of votes,"
There are various types of Jirgas that exist in the contemporary tribes. Most notable among these are:
Sarkari Jirga
Established under the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) 1901, the magistrate, the political agent or his assistant can designate a group of elders to try a criminal or a civil case. The FCR authorizes settlement of quarrels by this Jirga that arise out of blood-feuds, relating to zan, zar, zamin (women, wealth and land) and all other questions affecting the Pakhtoon honor and way of life. This Jirga can inflict a maximum penalty of up to fourteen-year imprisonment.
Qaumi or Ulusi Jirga
The Ulasi Jirga is an assembly of the elders comprising each household of a certain village or community. It is convened to discuss matters such as collective property, rights and distribution of irrigation water, or common concerns, like selection of a site for a school, etc.
Shakhsi Jirga
This Jirga is formulated in case a dispute arises between two individuals or families. The Jirga members are chosen from both the parties to arrive at a just settlement acceptable to both sides.
Selection of the Jirga:
**The selection of the Jirga members varies according to the type of Jirga. For Sarkari Jirgas, usually the members are selected from the notable elders or the Maliks of the area. In a Shakhsi Jirga the government selects and appoints two members from each side, whereas one member each is selected by the consent of the parties in the dispute. In case of the Ulusi Jirga, the members are usually comprised of elders of the notable families whose social standing and experience with the Pashtoonwali entitles them to a place on the council. **
The size of a Jirga varies from one situation to another, based on the nature, significance and sensitivity of the dispute. It might consist of one member, although two members are more usual and often there are four or six experienced members, fully conversant with the laws of the Pashtoonwali.
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If I take back Pashtuns not ready for democracy you will hjave to take back the Its punjabs fault we dont have Democracy bit...
I still dont believe that a tribal society can be considered modern of democratic. Perhaps within the group there are asspect of Democracy, but on a larger scale, that democracy is very limited... Afghanistan is a perfect example, the people arent voting for the best candidate sa ve for a few enlightend ones, most are simply going with tribal affliations.
What role do your women play in the Jirga and Pathan Democracy...
How does the Jirga operate outside of the tribe, between tribes for example and amongst groups that arent Pathan. For example, how would Pathans apply their jirga system to a country like Pakistan where most people dont follow Pashtunwalli...
How does the tribe select it representatives on the national front, what role do the tribal elders play if for example a younger tribe member manages to gain control of the area through democratic means... Say for example, a Pathan tribesmen were to become the Nazaim of his area, would this not conflict with the authority of the tribal elders in that area?
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No body is blaming every punjabi, but this is the fact that Punjab is brainwashed by establishment, they will vote for anyone if the center ask them to. Again I am saying not every punjabi. Look Mushy came from no where, asked Punjab to vote for PMLQ, and majority of Punjabi voted for them. This is not the case with other provinces.
Also, regarding the Jirga system, I think lots modifications are needed to tackle the issues of 21sth century.
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^^ Yeah and Malakand wasn't raped by a bearded MAToo called Sufi Mohammad.
Blabbering about other states while ignoring the Mullahtic pestilence at home is simply hypocratic. Typical Kabuli Kommie attitude that lead to death and destruction in Afghanistan. These Kabuli Kommies destroyed Pushtoons in Kabul, Kandhar, and Jalalabad. These Kommies made Pushtoons suffocate in containers. Then they put bullet holes in the containers killing the rest of Pushtoons.
Now these Kabuli Kommies quote their God Ghandi, and plan for the destruction of Bannu, Kohat, and Peshwar.
Damn Kommies.